What mod is better for a Sword?
I have recently come across a req 9 Dead Sword in NF and I had plans to mod it into:
Dead Sword. (Req 9)
15^50
Life Steal: 3:1
HP: 30
But when I asked my friend if he had a 15^50 inscription or a HP +30 Sword Pommel, (I had already bought the Vamp Hilt) he told me to mod it to a Sundering (Armor Penetration 20/20)
So, should I buy a Sundering Mod? Or keep with my origonal plan?
Vampiric or Sundering?
Puebert
T N Player
A sundering mod is what most people use and if plan on selling it, it is much easier to sell with a sundering mod. I say you should mod it with a sundering mod even if you plan on using it.
The sundering mod is pretty expensive, but there is a reason why it is so expensive.
The sundering mod is pretty expensive, but there is a reason why it is so expensive.
T N Player
srry double post
Stormlord Alex
The reason sundering is expensive is because PvE scrubs are idiots.
Vamp will do a lot more damage than sundering on a sword.
And before anyone says 'z0mg -1 degens gonna pwn me!!!!11!!one!' - you have weapon sets for a reason. Pressing F2 is *incredibly* difficult after all.
Vamp will do a lot more damage than sundering on a sword.
And before anyone says 'z0mg -1 degens gonna pwn me!!!!11!!one!' - you have weapon sets for a reason. Pressing F2 is *incredibly* difficult after all.
DarkGanni
Personally I would go for Vampiric
- Ganni
- Ganni
Neo Nugget
sundering for sell
vamp for use.
vamp for use.
Diddy bow
Vamparic will give you more damage and some healing
People see the -1 and think "oh noes" but the life steal and added damage far outweighs losing 2 hp each second :S
Sundering however i guess is fine if you dont have a weapon swap or are counting on a very lucky spike...
People see the -1 and think "oh noes" but the life steal and added damage far outweighs losing 2 hp each second :S
Sundering however i guess is fine if you dont have a weapon swap or are counting on a very lucky spike...
Hockster
Sundering sucks more than anything that has ever sucked before.
ss1986v2
as far as pve goes, vamp has the higher potential DPS. wont unnecessarily always be so (if there are lots of blinds, blocks flying around), but it doesnt really matter. you could run a CC weapon and be fine in pve. i go with vamp based almost entirely on price.
the heal0r
sundering is for those who are too lazy to switch weapons after every fight.
but sometimes i am 2^^
but sometimes i am 2^^
placebo overdose
i say vamp imo
but if you want a sundering get a non max mod. think 1% is not that different except 35k less, get a 19% chance mod
but if you want a sundering get a non max mod. think 1% is not that different except 35k less, get a 19% chance mod
Nestaron
Vampric ftw
Sundering FTSux0r
Sundering FTSux0r
nightrunner
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Originally Posted by the heal0r
sundering is for those who are too lazy to switch weapons after every fight.
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ShadowsRequiem
yup sundering is crap only sundering weapon i would ever use is an axe.
but sword doesnt have a huge dmg difference 15-22 so imo vamp is wayyyyyy better
but sword doesnt have a huge dmg difference 15-22 so imo vamp is wayyyyyy better
tijo
While sundering is useful and can give more damage on some weapons than avampiric these occasions are very rare making the vampiric mod more attracting if you are looking for higher damage that's stable. DPs is definitely better on a vampiric mod. Vampiric is also very useful if you use skills that hit multiple targets such as [skill]Triple Chop[/skill], [skill]Hundred Blades[/skill] and [skill]Barrage[/skill]
Coloneh
vampiric is WAY more damage espically on high armor targets. it also heals you.
Darkobra
Vampiric for people that will change weapons when in and out of battle. (They better. Let's just say I'm a lazy monk when it comes to healing people too lazy to change weapons.)
Sundering for people that don't really care about damage and just want a rare sword.
I'd personally use either. But it comes down to these two. Sundering to sell for rarity, vampiric to take down single targets quickly.
Sundering for people that don't really care about damage and just want a rare sword.
I'd personally use either. But it comes down to these two. Sundering to sell for rarity, vampiric to take down single targets quickly.
Retribution X
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Originally Posted by Darkobra
Vampiric for people that will change weapons when in and out of battle. (They better. Let's just say I'm a lazy monk when it comes to healing people too lazy to change weapons.)
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P.E.R.I.O.D.
And, no, if you don't swap weapons, I don't heal you.
bart
I say sundering because the -1 irritates the hell out of me.
HawkofStorms
Sundering is crap. Whenever I try to explain this to somebody in game, they response is, "then why does sundering cost more then vampiric?" Answer: because sundering since it has some many possible versions (10-20%) a perfect one is rarer and thus more expensive. However, vampric is better damage wise and easier to find.
That's the only reason people think sundering is good. PvE scrubs think expensive = better.
That's the only reason people think sundering is good. PvE scrubs think expensive = better.
Shigernafy
Ok, since this has been discussed to death, Im going to throw in some numbers here to help out, as far as I know these are still accurate and should help put things in perspective. These are the extra damage, in percent, you should see with the respective mods.
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Originally Posted by Fender Against an AL 60 target: Perfect Vampiric: Sword - 8.8% Axe - 8.4% Hammer - 9.7% Bow - 12.4% Perfect Sundering(20/20): 4.6% for all weapons. Against an AL 70 target: Perfect Vampiric: Sword - 10.4% Axe - 10.0% Hammer - 11.6% Bow - 14.7% Perfect Sundering(20/20): 6.4% for all weapons. Against an AL 100 target: Perfect Vampiric: Sword - 17.6% Axe - 16.9% Hammer - 19.4% Bow - 24.8% Perfect Sundering(20/20): 8.3% for all weapons. So, sundering still sucks. |
Domon Kasho
i run vamp,elemental and sundering(just to call out my sundering weapon of fortitude in PUGS)
VAMP FTW
VAMP FTW
The Herbalizer
i use elemental (ebony), vamp and zealous
sundering is awful
sundering is awful
Tachyon
Another vote here for Vampyric. Infact I'd go as far as to say that the only two prefixes worth having are Vampyric and Zealous.
bilateralrope
1 - If your planning to sell a weapon, sell it as is. Sure the price will go up if you stick an expensive mod on it, but you will be lucky for the price to rise as much as the mod costs. Personally the only times I've bought a weapon that I didn't plan to mod was when I bought greens.
2 - I'm not so sure that the sundering being so expensive is due to stupidity. Remember that heroes don't switch weapons, meaning that if you want to give them vamp you have to open your inventory and swap their weapons manually each time. So for heroes I'll be avoiding vamp because on heroes the degen will be a hassle. So for the times when I'm having to chose between vamp and sundering, heroes get sundering, I get vamp.
For enemies with high AL vs physical you can do more damage with an elemental mod than with a vamp (though I'm not sure where they break even). Also because an elemental weapon doesn't cause energy or health degen, it makes the perfect weapon to switch to when you aren't attacking something when you do run a zealous or vamp weapon. Furious might be useful with adrenaline builds.
2 - I'm not so sure that the sundering being so expensive is due to stupidity. Remember that heroes don't switch weapons, meaning that if you want to give them vamp you have to open your inventory and swap their weapons manually each time. So for heroes I'll be avoiding vamp because on heroes the degen will be a hassle. So for the times when I'm having to chose between vamp and sundering, heroes get sundering, I get vamp.
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Another vote here for Vampyric. Infact I'd go as far as to say that the only two prefixes worth having are Vampyric and Zealous.
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BogusDude
Personally i go with zealous for general use before either to keep up constant skill spamming. Vamps good to switch when i'm taking a boss on, IDS for some elementals/shivers use, sundering just sucks, think its priced due to increase from 10-20% but i rarely use mine, infact i use furious more than sundering.(PvE only player)
My warrior has a zealous +15^50 +5arm dead sword and my 55 monk has a furious +10%rech +20ench dead sword(non-max) which replaced his FFS and i've got another which i've yet to decide what to do with
My warrior has a zealous +15^50 +5arm dead sword and my 55 monk has a furious +10%rech +20ench dead sword(non-max) which replaced his FFS and i've got another which i've yet to decide what to do with
Patrick Smit
vampiric will be better in terms of DPS in PvE, however, sundering can be much better in melee/physical based PvP teams.
Saying sundering suxs is absolute scrap to my opinion, and you are just copying words of others, or relying on very simple calculus.
Check this discussion for more on why sundering can be better then vampiric in PvP: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10123000
Saying sundering suxs is absolute scrap to my opinion, and you are just copying words of others, or relying on very simple calculus.
Check this discussion for more on why sundering can be better then vampiric in PvP: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10123000
holababe
Vampiric > Sundering
Arduin
Get the Vampiric, because of the better damage. And if you are frightened by the -1 Hp regeneration, take in mind it takes about 3 minutes to degen yourself to death (that's without a monk backing you up).
Undressed
Sundering is better for spikes which you won't need in PvE as "dps" is more important there. Try a Vamp there or Furious.
In PvP, for spikes I would take sundering and enjoy the useful armour penetration and give monks a lesser chance to easily switch shields accordingly to the damage type they face. A vampiric weapon screams "slashing/blunt".
In PvP spikes kill, not dps.
You will need weapon switches, so bring (unless hammer) a zealous weapon and an elemental (for warriors).
regards
In PvP, for spikes I would take sundering and enjoy the useful armour penetration and give monks a lesser chance to easily switch shields accordingly to the damage type they face. A vampiric weapon screams "slashing/blunt".
In PvP spikes kill, not dps.
You will need weapon switches, so bring (unless hammer) a zealous weapon and an elemental (for warriors).
regards
tomcruisejr
the dps of vampiric is greater than that of sundering if and only if your target is stationary and unprotected (blocks, blinds, stances, melee hate etc etc)..
if your target is running/kiting and is assisted by melee hate characters, playing with chances and percentages is ftw.
if your target is running/kiting and is assisted by melee hate characters, playing with chances and percentages is ftw.
strcpy
If I want pure damage, I switch to a vampiric (or for certain enemies an elemental damage) weapon.
However, like has been kinda made fun of I really like the "button mashing" aspect of some builds and sundering is about the best of the physical mods.
Depends on how you play - I watch TV while I play and not having to switch all the time is nice - sundering is kinda the "crappy but fits all situations" mod. For harder areas or for farming I keep both a vampiric and zealous weapon around. Especially when hitting for AoE damage (Dervish, hundred blades, etc) it can really add up. the -1 hp regen is only hurtful if you do not swap weapons, otherwise the +5 armor ignoring is the best +damage mod of the whole game.
I wouldn't spend much on a sundering mod - not anywhere close to the price they go for. But if I had one I wouldn't hesitate to use it on a weapon.
However, like has been kinda made fun of I really like the "button mashing" aspect of some builds and sundering is about the best of the physical mods.
Depends on how you play - I watch TV while I play and not having to switch all the time is nice - sundering is kinda the "crappy but fits all situations" mod. For harder areas or for farming I keep both a vampiric and zealous weapon around. Especially when hitting for AoE damage (Dervish, hundred blades, etc) it can really add up. the -1 hp regen is only hurtful if you do not swap weapons, otherwise the +5 armor ignoring is the best +damage mod of the whole game.
I wouldn't spend much on a sundering mod - not anywhere close to the price they go for. But if I had one I wouldn't hesitate to use it on a weapon.
Yanman.be
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Sundering is crap. Whenever I try to explain this to somebody in game, they response is, "then why does sundering cost more then vampiric?" Answer: because sundering since it has some many possible versions (10-20%) a perfect one is rarer and thus more expensive. However, vampric is better damage wise and easier to find.
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bilateralrope
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Originally Posted by tomcruisejr
the dps of vampiric is greater than that of sundering if and only if your target is stationary and unprotected (blocks, blinds, stances, melee hate etc etc)..
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Sundering - 20% of hits get the extra damage.
If something is reducing your chance to hit, it will effect sundering and vamp equally. So the only thing to consider when the enemy is being protected is if the vamp will still outheal its degen, and if the degen is a problem if it won't. Vamp will still have greater DPS.
Undressed
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No, sundering is expensive because many people want it and that's why the price goes up, and people thing you need sundering to be a PvE god!
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Shadowfox1125
Vamp...
there's nothing else to be said. Read the above posts.
there's nothing else to be said. Read the above posts.
Tufty
Swords? I use Furious over everything because I like spamming skills but I use an elemental for warriors and vamp when Im not doing enough damage over time and zealous when energy sucks.
The only thing I use sundering on is my ranger who uses a sundering hornbow of marksmanship. I only use that setup for the random large spike Iget from that setup. The rest of the time its vamp all the way
The only thing I use sundering on is my ranger who uses a sundering hornbow of marksmanship. I only use that setup for the random large spike Iget from that setup. The rest of the time its vamp all the way
jrk247
I prefer elemental mods over vamp and sundering, they are unconditional and do more damage than sundering, look at it this way: Sundering is 20% AP against AL 80 +20 vs. physical and elemental ignores the whole +20 vs. physical, so elemental damage is always hitting at 80 AL (with a typical armor set on a warrior) and sundering only hit's at 80 AL 20% (1/5) of the time. So elemental is cheaper and better than sundering and unconditional compaired to vamp.
matti90
Rangers own elemental mods though
Etta
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Rangers own elemental mods though
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