Vampiric or Sundering?

Ok, since this has been discussed to death, Im going to throw in some numbers here to help out, as far as I know these are still accurate and should help put things in perspective. These are the extra damage, in percent, you should see with the respective mods.

i run vamp,elemental and sundering(just to call out my sundering weapon of fortitude in PUGS)
VAMP FTW

i use elemental (ebony), vamp and zealous

sundering is awful

Another vote here for Vampyric. Infact I'd go as far as to say that the only two prefixes worth having are Vampyric and Zealous.

1 - If your planning to sell a weapon, sell it as is. Sure the price will go up if you stick an expensive mod on it, but you will be lucky for the price to rise as much as the mod costs. Personally the only times I've bought a weapon that I didn't plan to mod was when I bought greens.

2 - I'm not so sure that the sundering being so expensive is due to stupidity. Remember that heroes don't switch weapons, meaning that if you want to give them vamp you have to open your inventory and swap their weapons manually each time. So for heroes I'll be avoiding vamp because on heroes the degen will be a hassle. So for the times when I'm having to chose between vamp and sundering, heroes get sundering, I get vamp.

For enemies with high AL vs physical you can do more damage with an elemental mod than with a vamp (though I'm not sure where they break even). Also because an elemental weapon doesn't cause energy or health degen, it makes the perfect weapon to switch to when you aren't attacking something when you do run a zealous or vamp weapon. Furious might be useful with adrenaline builds.

Personally i go with zealous for general use before either to keep up constant skill spamming. Vamps good to switch when i'm taking a boss on, IDS for some elementals/shivers use, sundering just sucks, think its priced due to increase from 10-20% but i rarely use mine, infact i use furious more than sundering.(PvE only player)

My warrior has a zealous +15^50 +5arm dead sword and my 55 monk has a furious +10%rech +20ench dead sword(non-max) which replaced his FFS and i've got another which i've yet to decide what to do with

vampiric will be better in terms of DPS in PvE, however, sundering can be much better in melee/physical based PvP teams.
Saying sundering suxs is absolute scrap to my opinion, and you are just copying words of others, or relying on very simple calculus.

Check this discussion for more on why sundering can be better then vampiric in PvP: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10123000

Vampiric > Sundering

Get the Vampiric, because of the better damage. And if you are frightened by the -1 Hp regeneration, take in mind it takes about 3 minutes to degen yourself to death (that's without a monk backing you up).

Sundering is better for spikes which you won't need in PvE as "dps" is more important there. Try a Vamp there or Furious.

In PvP, for spikes I would take sundering and enjoy the useful armour penetration and give monks a lesser chance to easily switch shields accordingly to the damage type they face. A vampiric weapon screams "slashing/blunt".

In PvP spikes kill, not dps.

You will need weapon switches, so bring (unless hammer) a zealous weapon and an elemental (for warriors).

regards

the dps of vampiric is greater than that of sundering if and only if your target is stationary and unprotected (blocks, blinds, stances, melee hate etc etc)..

if your target is running/kiting and is assisted by melee hate characters, playing with chances and percentages is ftw.

If I want pure damage, I switch to a vampiric (or for certain enemies an elemental damage) weapon.

However, like has been kinda made fun of I really like the "button mashing" aspect of some builds and sundering is about the best of the physical mods.

Depends on how you play - I watch TV while I play and not having to switch all the time is nice - sundering is kinda the "crappy but fits all situations" mod. For harder areas or for farming I keep both a vampiric and zealous weapon around. Especially when hitting for AoE damage (Dervish, hundred blades, etc) it can really add up. the -1 hp regen is only hurtful if you do not swap weapons, otherwise the +5 armor ignoring is the best +damage mod of the whole game.

I wouldn't spend much on a sundering mod - not anywhere close to the price they go for. But if I had one I wouldn't hesitate to use it on a weapon.

No, sundering is expensive because many people want it and that's why the price goes up, and people thing you need sundering to be a PvE god!

Vamp - 100% of hits get the extra damage.
Sundering - 20% of hits get the extra damage.

If something is reducing your chance to hit, it will effect sundering and vamp equally. So the only thing to consider when the enemy is being protected is if the vamp will still outheal its degen, and if the degen is a problem if it won't. Vamp will still have greater DPS.

I am sure you used a sundering energy sword when I ran into your RA-Bonder with Healer's Boon.

Vamp...

there's nothing else to be said. Read the above posts.

Swords? I use Furious over everything because I like spamming skills but I use an elemental for warriors and vamp when Im not doing enough damage over time and zealous when energy sucks.
The only thing I use sundering on is my ranger who uses a sundering hornbow of marksmanship. I only use that setup for the random large spike Iget from that setup. The rest of the time its vamp all the way

I prefer elemental mods over vamp and sundering, they are unconditional and do more damage than sundering, look at it this way: Sundering is 20% AP against AL 80 +20 vs. physical and elemental ignores the whole +20 vs. physical, so elemental damage is always hitting at 80 AL (with a typical armor set on a warrior) and sundering only hit's at 80 AL 20% (1/5) of the time. So elemental is cheaper and better than sundering and unconditional compaired to vamp.

Rangers own elemental mods though

So? Just switch to different weapon, you should have more than 1 set of weapon to use anyway.