I just finished Nightfall with my Elementalist yesterday and I feel a bit let down on the end game items that you can purchase with the book of secrets.
Ele weapons:
I was looking forward to getting a nice ele staff, but the stats were not as good as my Ragos flame wand/ kindlerock set, so I didnt get it.
Warrior weapons:
I was looking for a better sword skin to replace my factions sword, it didnt look like anything more than a shadow blade with curves in it, so I didnt get it.
Ranger weapons:
I wanted a cool looking bow to add to my rangers growing collection, unfortunately the end game greens only offered 2 skins. skin 1 looks just like an Ivory bow, and skin 2 looks just like a Rotwing recurve bow. so I didnt get either.
I ended up selling the book for 20k to finance new armor. The Elite Sunspear 15k armor for female ele is beautiful, so I got that. I about puked after looking at picks of the end game armor for eles (big metal sticks poking out everywhere).
I'm just voicing my disappointment. Were you expecting more from the end game items? I certainly was.
Where's the "wow" factor that I'm suppose to feel after beating Abaddon and obtaining the book of secrets.
So, what did you do with your book of secrets?
Nightfall end game items
wsmcasey
Skuld
The only one I got was the Hand of the Forgotten, sold my other books. The +5 energy spear is decent for a caster and the shields are great for PvP, but otherwise all the stats are lacking, who wants a nasty sword skin or a +20 energy staff?
rista blodorn
I've been a little disappointed with both the Factions and the NF endgame items so to answer your question I have sold three books and have two others in case I change my mind and decide to pick up something for myself if I start a new character or provide a hero with something.
Keep pondering the axe, but I'd prefer to get Kanaxi's if he'd ever drop it for me.
Keep pondering the axe, but I'd prefer to get Kanaxi's if he'd ever drop it for me.
Tromador
Well I happened to need a set of zealous daggers... so 
On the other hand, the following day a set of +5e +5armor daggers dropped for me, so now I wish I had just bought a zealous upgrade to put on those.
Seriously though, what did you expect? We all know what the max levels of upgrades are and it would be ludicrous to expect anything more than (possibly) a new spin on those. I think the +15e/-1 staves are interesting though thats a crafter item, not a free green.
On the other hand, the following day a set of +5e +5armor daggers dropped for me, so now I wish I had just bought a zealous upgrade to put on those.
Seriously though, what did you expect? We all know what the max levels of upgrades are and it would be ludicrous to expect anything more than (possibly) a new spin on those. I think the +15e/-1 staves are interesting though thats a crafter item, not a free green.
rangergirl100
i just sold my book of secrets .i thiunk there should be better rewards for completing all the campagins like a choice of mini pets as well as weapons
wsmcasey
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Seriously though, what did you expect?
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Think about it: Some dude in Anet marketing came up with the idea to make the end game green bows in Nightfall the EXACT same skins that drop in Prophecies!?!? WTF was that guy smoking, and who signed off on this idea!
If anyone know the best green fire staff and green bow in Nightfall please let me know. PM if you want.
Thanks
cthulhu reborn
Prophecies rewards = nothing
Factions rewards = somewhat useful greens
Nightfall rewards = better greens
Of course not every item will be useful to each player. But there is a reward and they have been getting better, so I don't see the disappointment really.
AS far as armours are concerned, beauty is still in the eye of the beholder
Factions rewards = somewhat useful greens
Nightfall rewards = better greens
Of course not every item will be useful to each player. But there is a reward and they have been getting better, so I don't see the disappointment really.
AS far as armours are concerned, beauty is still in the eye of the beholder
Ferret
I think you may be missing the point that the end game items are 'free' and 'certain' max green items. These are not on a random drop chance and are often perfect stats. So the skins may have been borrowed from elsewhere, it does not make them rubbish items. These are bonus items and only meant to be a little well done.
Personally i like the look of the Forgotten Sword, the Forgotten Longbow and the Forgotten Staffs, others will as well.
The trouble with skins for any weapon, shield, armour, etc is that it all comes down to 'personal' preference.
For my ranger, i really didnt like ANY of the NF armor skins, but for my warrior they rocked, but that was my opinion. No matter how an 'end game' item looked, there would be those that loved it and those that hated it.
I will certainly be getting a few more of these before i start selling any books, but the biggest reason i wont use all my books is just that by the time i get to the end of the game, i dont really need everything on offer.
Personally i like the look of the Forgotten Sword, the Forgotten Longbow and the Forgotten Staffs, others will as well.
The trouble with skins for any weapon, shield, armour, etc is that it all comes down to 'personal' preference.
For my ranger, i really didnt like ANY of the NF armor skins, but for my warrior they rocked, but that was my opinion. No matter how an 'end game' item looked, there would be those that loved it and those that hated it.
I will certainly be getting a few more of these before i start selling any books, but the biggest reason i wont use all my books is just that by the time i get to the end of the game, i dont really need everything on offer.
Captain Sarcastic
Let's see...
Thus far, i've gotten a Hand of the Forgotten for my Dervish. She uses it almost exclusively. I got the forgotten longbow, since it has the same stats as Drago's Flatbow, but isn't as bulky. I got the Forgotten Sword for my war -- looks pretty spiffy, and a sundering weapon is always useful, IMHO. Most recently, I got a channeling staff for my Rit.
My monk is only a few missions away from endgame. Still haven't decided what to get next.
I'm reasonably happy with the NF engame greens. Only crit I have is they could offer more varied stats for some of the war weapons (they only have one of each type).
Still better than those Prophecies endgame greens.
Thus far, i've gotten a Hand of the Forgotten for my Dervish. She uses it almost exclusively. I got the forgotten longbow, since it has the same stats as Drago's Flatbow, but isn't as bulky. I got the Forgotten Sword for my war -- looks pretty spiffy, and a sundering weapon is always useful, IMHO. Most recently, I got a channeling staff for my Rit.
My monk is only a few missions away from endgame. Still haven't decided what to get next.
I'm reasonably happy with the NF engame greens. Only crit I have is they could offer more varied stats for some of the war weapons (they only have one of each type).
Still better than those Prophecies endgame greens.
darktyco
^ Better than the Factions endgame greens too IMO
wsmcasey
I think some of you are missing the point here. Yes I know the end game items can be useful, especially for Dervish & Paragon since this chapter is theirs. But what about the core professions? I'll use the ranger again as an example because thats the one that makes the leasts amount of sense so far.
Making the Nightfall end game green bows have the same skins as Prophecy bows gives me no incentive or excitement over using my book of secrets to purchase these bows.
If you want to get technical, these end game green items are not free. I paid for Nightfall and these items are part of the game I purchased.
If I wanted an Ivory bow or Rotwing bow, then I would go to Prophecies to get them.
I'm only making a point that they could have made the end game items a bit more interesting, thats all.
Making the Nightfall end game green bows have the same skins as Prophecy bows gives me no incentive or excitement over using my book of secrets to purchase these bows.
If you want to get technical, these end game green items are not free. I paid for Nightfall and these items are part of the game I purchased.
If I wanted an Ivory bow or Rotwing bow, then I would go to Prophecies to get them.
I'm only making a point that they could have made the end game items a bit more interesting, thats all.
RSGashapon
The only Book of Secrets I've turned in so far has been for my Paragon, which I used to get the Courage of the Forgotten spear. Everything else just looked bland to me and the spear was the first max dmg one I've acquired that wasn't req 12 or 13.
I will probably sell the rest of my Books, but I haven't decided yet.
I will probably sell the rest of my Books, but I haven't decided yet.
lennymon
Not everyone who finishes NF owns prophesies.
It's not all about the addicts ;P (I'm one 2)
I fleshed out weapon swaps for lost of my 'backup' characters or as upgrades for my heroes. I don't really care all that much what an item looks like when its not a bow anyways, heh. Well ok, unless they start handing out zodiac swords...
It's not all about the addicts ;P (I'm one 2)
I fleshed out weapon swaps for lost of my 'backup' characters or as upgrades for my heroes. I don't really care all that much what an item looks like when its not a bow anyways, heh. Well ok, unless they start handing out zodiac swords...
Sarevok Thordin
First green I got from NF was the forgotten shield, you can see it on the article at Guildwiki ;p
{BHC}KingWarman88
Hey,
got 8K for my forgotten Shield
got 8K for my forgotten Shield
Sir Skullcrasher
I haven't beat NF yet. When I do, I might get the end game green for warrior!
Sofonisba
So, we've got people saying the following:
"Yeah, I know they're free, green, and perfect, but just not good enough for ME."
Not everyone has time to farm a boss over and over (or wait til a triple drop weekend), has all 3 campaigns, or has the money to buy their perfect weapon.
I am more than satisfied with the selection in the Throne of Secrets. Fast Cast, and Divine Favor staves ftw. (Would have been nice to be consistent and have Soul Reaping and Energy Storage req staves as well, but meh, I'm all right with that.)
ANet could have gone back to Proph's example and not provided anything at all. Then where would you be?
"Yeah, I know they're free, green, and perfect, but just not good enough for ME."
Not everyone has time to farm a boss over and over (or wait til a triple drop weekend), has all 3 campaigns, or has the money to buy their perfect weapon.
I am more than satisfied with the selection in the Throne of Secrets. Fast Cast, and Divine Favor staves ftw. (Would have been nice to be consistent and have Soul Reaping and Energy Storage req staves as well, but meh, I'm all right with that.)
ANet could have gone back to Proph's example and not provided anything at all.
Then where would you be?
wsmcasey
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So, we've got people saying the following:
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Not everyone has time to farm a boss over and over (or wait til a triple drop weekend), has all 3 campaigns, or has the money to buy their perfect weapon.
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Gustin
I got the Forgotten Recurve Bow for my ranger. I love it. I use it more for PvP than anything due to the cripple duration increase. Sure it's the same skin as the Rotwing but it's white instead of brownish green. I probably wouldn't get any of the others (esspecially the ivory bow skins because well, that IS pushing it a little too far on the unoriginality). It just comes down to tastes.
eggs0wn
I got a Air Staff for me Ele
I got a Sword for my Warrior
I got a Spear for my Paragon
I have two more characters finishing up Nf, not sure what to get.
I got a Sword for my Warrior
I got a Spear for my Paragon
I have two more characters finishing up Nf, not sure what to get.
lightblade
Looks is just a matter of OPINION.
I'm just disappointed to see all 3 daggers have the same stats.
I'm just disappointed to see all 3 daggers have the same stats.
Toilet Oni
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Ranger weapons: I wanted a cool looking bow to add to my rangers growing collection, unfortunately the end game greens only offered 2 skins. skin 1 looks just like an Ivory bow, and skin 2 looks just like a Rotwing recurve bow. so I didnt get either. |
sold it an hour later for 50k too a guy who was spamming in kc
Urgoz Longbow is still FTW
Shakkara
I already got everything I want on my main, and I'm very happy with the items and bought several books so I could distribute the items amongst my henchmen and secondary characters.
Sofonisba
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Not good enough if I already got better in Prophecies and Factions.
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Dont make me suffer just because you havent played as long as I have. I'm not bashing you or referring to you personally, I'm just replying to you statements.
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But seriously, "suffer?" LOL.
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Ensign
Designing green weapons is more complicated than you give it credit for. The OP complains than the endgame green focus offered isn't as good as his Kindlerock - well, guess what, a significant majority of the playerbase would disagree with you. The endgame green items, for the most part, offer the stats on weapons that are some of the most popular. They could offer less popular mods on the weapons there, but guess what? That would lead to even more complaints than they're getting now. Because Guild Wars offers an assortment of reasonably balanced equipment choices for you to choose between, instead of having a very clear gear progression, even the endgame items, with 'perfect' stats, aren't going to be perfect to some percentage of players.
I think there's a constant conflict of interest when making green items, between designing weapons that are more of the same, and designing weapons that are unique. They have made 'unique' greens before, without the health mods, and the price check forum will tell you what people think of those. If you're someone that actually wants those weird mods, great, there's a bargain waiting for you - but for the people who find those weapons, seeing a list of unpopular mods cheapens the reward significantly.
Peace,
-CxE
I think there's a constant conflict of interest when making green items, between designing weapons that are more of the same, and designing weapons that are unique. They have made 'unique' greens before, without the health mods, and the price check forum will tell you what people think of those. If you're someone that actually wants those weird mods, great, there's a bargain waiting for you - but for the people who find those weapons, seeing a list of unpopular mods cheapens the reward significantly.
Peace,
-CxE
Ruricu
Looks like Ensign said it all... three times. 
wsmcasey
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The OP complains than the endgame green focus offered isn't as good as his Kindlerock - well, guess what, a significant majority of the playerbase would disagree with you.
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I was comparing the end game green staff with the ragos fire wand/kindlerock combo. Actually, since the release of Sorrows Furnace I would say they have been very popular items. Exactly how would a significant majority of the playerbase disagree with me? The newbies might need the +30hp mod to stay alive, but faster cast/faster recharge is the way to go imo.
{BHC}KingWarman88
Hey,
Ragos Fire Wand is bad..
Ragos Fire Wand is bad..
Sir Skullcrasher
It's a free green item for us to have. Why do we have to complain about it?
wsmcasey
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It's a free green item for us to have. Why do we have to complain about it?
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To the other guy saying that Ragos is bad, thats your opinion, but if you having nothing to contribute to the thread then please dont.
Ill just try and farm a boss that has a better staff that I can use I guess.
Ensign
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I was comparing the end game green staff with the ragos fire wand/kindlerock combo. Actually, since the release of Sorrows Furnace I would say they have been very popular items. Exactly how would a significant majority of the playerbase disagree with me? The newbies might need the +30hp mod to stay alive, but faster cast/faster recharge is the way to go imo.
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20/20 wands and foci make terrible green items, because they are easy crafts in every chapter. There really isn't too much room for creativity on wands/foci, because there aren't all that many mods to begin with, and so many common combinations are put on crafter/collector items.
If what you really want is cast and recharge mods, there's not a staff in existance that can beat the crafted 20/20s. Not a set of greens or rares, either.
Peace,
-CxE
Feminist Terrorist
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faster cast/faster recharge is the way to go imo.
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T N Player
I sold my 4 books that I got. You really don't get any good items with it and if you try to get an items and sell it for higher price then the books, it takes a few hours to sell. That's why the price are dropping so fast. I saw a Hand of the Forgotten for 20k a few days ago.
Neo Nugget
i love all of the endgame greens compared to the factions ones. Too bad factions is more enjoyable to me to play through 
but when i beat it i got sword of the forgotten and sold it for 40k and got the rest of my necros 15k sunspear well worth it
but when i beat it i got sword of the forgotten and sold it for 40k and got the rest of my necros 15k sunspear
Cherno
I much prefer the nightfall endgame greens to factions. The staves are very nice, although why isn't there an energy storage req one??
I still don't like that all caster items get the same skins.
I still don't like that all caster items get the same skins.
icedragon981
I got the +5e spear for my Paragon and the Ungues of the Forgotten for my Assassin (this was before I deleted all of my PvE characters except my Necro) because, IMO, those were the only attractive and useful ones. (Honestly, why must EVERY end game warrior green be sundering...)
Enko
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thats your opinion, but if you having nothing to contribute to the thread then please dont.
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Its your opinion that the end game greens weren't up to your expectations but there's plenty of other people who are fine with them.
-Loki-
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Warrior weapons:
I was looking for a better sword skin to replace my factions sword, it didnt look like anything more than a shadow blade with curves in it, so I didnt get it. |
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I wanted a cool looking bow to add to my rangers growing collection, unfortunately the end game greens only offered 2 skins. skin 1 looks just like an Ivory bow, and skin 2 looks just like a Rotwing recurve bow. so I didnt get either. |
arcanemacabre
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The Forgotten Sword looks immensely different, and better, that Shadow Blades. The only problem is it's sundering.
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There are plenty of choices in the endgame, and if none strike your fancy, then do what you did, sell the book. Or you can get the most wanted green (like Hand of the Forgotten), like I did, sell it for a lot more than the book is worth, and buy a green of your choice from someone.
I do hope that in the next campaign, we can either make our own green, or have a contest for the top guilds to design greens (stat-wise). This way we can hopefully get something aside from sundering swords and +5 energy ele wands.
HawkofStorms
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Not good enough if I already got better in Prophecies and Factions.
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