It'd probably have to be rebalanced in terms of energy cost or duration, but I still think it might be neat. If not, maybe the devs could give a Form version of Mist Form for chapter 4.
*hint*hint*
Make Mist Form a Form
Winterclaw
As it stands now, [skill]Mist Form[/skill] is an elite enchantment spell that water El's can use. But does it have to stay an enchantment? Since NF added elite forms to the game and mist form is an elilte and has form in the name, maybe it should be made into a Form itself. Water els are the most GP of the el lines so I think it could work. It'd also give water els a butt-kicking elite that can't be easily stripped.
It'd probably have to be rebalanced in terms of energy cost or duration, but I still think it might be neat. If not, maybe the devs could give a Form version of Mist Form for chapter 4. *hint*hint*
It'd probably have to be rebalanced in terms of energy cost or duration, but I still think it might be neat. If not, maybe the devs could give a Form version of Mist Form for chapter 4.
*hint*hint*
Praetor
Mist Form is underpowered, but making into a Form skill is out-of-place for eles. Besides, this would become a slippery slope; everyone will start whining about how their profession doesn't have a form skill.
legion_rat
i dont think it would effect anything that bad to change it, though i do agree it is underpowered as it can be stripped.
so
/signed
~the rat~
so
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~the rat~
GD Defender
The problem with making Mist or Shadow Form into actual Form Elites is that they would not only be much more powerful, but Anet would also have to create new character models to comply with the Form standards set by the Avatars. And if they didn't, then they would be less cool than the other forms.
Also, I will reiterate how much a Shadow Form Assassin would be overpowered thanks to the unstrippable nature of Forms and the fact that he gets almost unlimited invulnerability thanks to Arcane Echo, Deadly Paradox, and Feigned Neutrality. It would require a nerf, and I don't think any Assassin in their right mind would want Shadow Form to be nerfed, even for an awesome character model change and unstrippability.
Also, I will reiterate how much a Shadow Form Assassin would be overpowered thanks to the unstrippable nature of Forms and the fact that he gets almost unlimited invulnerability thanks to Arcane Echo, Deadly Paradox, and Feigned Neutrality. It would require a nerf, and I don't think any Assassin in their right mind would want Shadow Form to be nerfed, even for an awesome character model change and unstrippability.
Alias Thrasher
I think changing mist form to a form would be great because it is underpowered for an elite and making it immune to enchantment removal would give it a nice buff. It would also be cool if they could add a graphic effect that makes the elementalist appear like a shape of mist. Shadow Form I would have to disagree with because it would be too powerful if it couldnt be removed. I would say change the name of shadow form before changing it to a form.
Toilet Oni
/Signed
Maybe you also change looks when you use Mistform and Shadowform
Mistform: you look something like the gostly
Shadowform: you look something like a black gostly (Doppelganger)
Maybe you also change looks when you use Mistform and Shadowform
Mistform: you look something like the gostly
Shadowform: you look something like a black gostly (Doppelganger)
Enko
though if we change mist form and shadow form into forms, we lose the 20% longer enchantment bonuses . ..
tenshi_strife
yea even though they have form in their names they should stay enchantments due to the difficulty of changing and their nature. i see no problem with them as they are so as the phrase goes "dont fix what isn't broken"
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Mr. G
also forms have...echo problems If im not mistaken...or is that mimicry?
Winterclaw
Arcane Mimicry, and that's only usable on other's form elites.
Okay, so we'd lose the enchantment bonuses and the ability to use arcane echo with it... figure that in when you rebalance the skill. Say it lasts 10...20...23 instead of what it currently does.
Okay, so we'd lose the enchantment bonuses and the ability to use arcane echo with it... figure that in when you rebalance the skill. Say it lasts 10...20...23 instead of what it currently does.
linh
You know that ANet make those elite being enchantments for a reason, right ?
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Winterclaw
Yeah, forms didn't exist before NF. 
lyra_song
This is actually a very interesting idea.
hmn
/notsure.
I need to be more convinced.
hmn
/notsure.
I need to be more convinced.
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Originally Posted by GD Defender
The problem with making Mist or Shadow Form into actual Form Elites is that they would not only be much more powerful, but Anet would also have to create new character models to comply with the Form standards set by the Avatars. And if they didn't, then they would be less cool than the other forms.
Also, I will reiterate how much a Shadow Form Assassin would be overpowered thanks to the unstrippable nature of Forms and the fact that he gets almost unlimited invulnerability thanks to Arcane Echo, Deadly Paradox, and Feigned Neutrality. It would require a nerf, and I don't think any Assassin in their right mind would want Shadow Form to be nerfed, even for an awesome character model change and unstrippability. |
Not A Fifty Five
/notsigned
In all seriousness you're just asking for more work because it would fit better with the name. Besides, few use this for PvP anyways because who would it benefit, monks? Elites aren't really the best things for self-defense.
/maybe because it would be cool to see tho
In all seriousness you're just asking for more work because it would fit better with the name. Besides, few use this for PvP anyways because who would it benefit, monks? Elites aren't really the best things for self-defense.
/maybe because it would be cool to see tho
Redfeather1975
Noooooooo!
I wouldn't be able to use my precious Arcane Echo or Arcane Mimicry on Mist Form no mores.
I wouldn't be able to use my precious Arcane Echo or Arcane Mimicry on Mist Form no mores.
Kool Pajamas
Would be interesting to test. Mist form could use some sort of buff.
rong626
a stupid skill that i rarely use....spellbreaker anyone?
Maximumraver
/Notsigned
Though both skills have "form" in their name, there's no reason to actually make them Form-Skills.
Though both skills have "form" in their name, there's no reason to actually make them Form-Skills.
MithranArkanere
For the type Forms are EXCLUSIVE for Dervishes, like Glyphs for Elementalists. That will NEVER change. Maybe a new class could use a skill type once exclusive for other classes, but not an already crated class would do that.
It would not be the first Elite that do not follow the standars:
Destructive was Glaive acts similar to an Item Spell, but is a Spell.
If the poblem is the name, just change it to Myst Body, Myst Shape, etc...
For the effect, it could have a 'translucid, foggy model' effect, like the one you see when you aproach the camera by hitting middle mouse button and moving up the mouse.
It would not be the first Elite that do not follow the standars:
Destructive was Glaive acts similar to an Item Spell, but is a Spell.
If the poblem is the name, just change it to Myst Body, Myst Shape, etc...
For the effect, it could have a 'translucid, foggy model' effect, like the one you see when you aproach the camera by hitting middle mouse button and moving up the mouse.
MrGuildBoi
How keeping it an enchantment but making you look transparent? Like a ghostly hero, light-blueish and transparent. Like Shadow Form, you can make you look like a real shadow and black transparent?
BahamutKaiser
I can't believe some of the responses people make......... it's just retarded.
They are a bit more effective as forms instead of enchantments, but because of the significant trade offs of the ability, it would be fine if they were forms instead of enchantments.
The use of form functions on a few exsisting skills and a few future skills doesn't imply that everyone is owed a form either, that's such ignorant BS. People just make up excuses it pisses me off.
And they don't have to add additional animations, but it would be rightious if they did, either way is acceptable, the narrow idea that as a form it must require a unique visualization is so stupid.
I only wish Anet would proactively redevelope skills visually and functionally as the game grows, instead of restraining themselves to previous features and limitations, obviously, that would leave us with less options and growth.
It's a perfectly feasible idea, and also totally unneccessary. But god I do love to know that people can still make totally ridiculous and unfounded claims.
They are a bit more effective as forms instead of enchantments, but because of the significant trade offs of the ability, it would be fine if they were forms instead of enchantments.
The use of form functions on a few exsisting skills and a few future skills doesn't imply that everyone is owed a form either, that's such ignorant BS. People just make up excuses it pisses me off.
And they don't have to add additional animations, but it would be rightious if they did, either way is acceptable, the narrow idea that as a form it must require a unique visualization is so stupid.
I only wish Anet would proactively redevelope skills visually and functionally as the game grows, instead of restraining themselves to previous features and limitations, obviously, that would leave us with less options and growth.
It's a perfectly feasible idea, and also totally unneccessary. But god I do love to know that people can still make totally ridiculous and unfounded claims.
Operations
Actually, there is no reason to change them.
The Elite Form skills, if you recall, are called Avatar of ________. Such as [skill=text]Avatar of Lyssa[/skill]. While, [skill=text]Mist Form[/skill] is an elite, it is an enchantment. It is not called Avatar of Mist, or Avatar of Shadow.
So, based on word analysis, no reason to change.
The Elite Form skills, if you recall, are called Avatar of ________. Such as [skill=text]Avatar of Lyssa[/skill]. While, [skill=text]Mist Form[/skill] is an elite, it is an enchantment. It is not called Avatar of Mist, or Avatar of Shadow.
So, based on word analysis, no reason to change.
Redfeather1975
I believe Dervish forms were introduced to get us accustomed to 'forms'.
I honestly don't think that 'forms' will be exclusive to one class.
Only time will tell! But I doubt any existing skills will be changed to forms. New skills may take advantage of the 'form' skill type.
After all we need more skills to make arcane mimcry's description about how it doesn't work on forms to carry more weight.
I honestly don't think that 'forms' will be exclusive to one class.
Only time will tell! But I doubt any existing skills will be changed to forms. New skills may take advantage of the 'form' skill type.
After all we need more skills to make arcane mimcry's description about how it doesn't work on forms to carry more weight.
lishi
the real question is :
do we really need new wonderfull mindless farming / random arena build?
no ty
do we really need new wonderfull mindless farming / random arena build?
no ty
BahamutKaiser
This barely changes it's application, and wording is another dumb and meaning less dissapproval, why do people have to be so simple......
Skill phrasing isn't a significant standard to limit Forms. Form type and related skills can and probably will have significant applications for alternate features in the future.
There may not be a point to changing the old "form" abilities, but fabricated and illusionary limitations arn't a reason not to. Please stop trying to rationalize your denials, the Three Stooges would like their script back.
Skill phrasing isn't a significant standard to limit Forms. Form type and related skills can and probably will have significant applications for alternate features in the future.
There may not be a point to changing the old "form" abilities, but fabricated and illusionary limitations arn't a reason not to. Please stop trying to rationalize your denials, the Three Stooges would like their script back.
HawkofStorms
Eh, this is no different from the talks about IW being moved to a weapon spell when factions came out.
Retroactively changing a skill's functionality (as in changing how it works completely, not just rebalances) is not a common thing by a.net (exceptions being beguiling haze, and a few others).
Retroactively changing a skill's functionality (as in changing how it works completely, not just rebalances) is not a common thing by a.net (exceptions being beguiling haze, and a few others).
Arkantos
Just because they both have form in their skill names doesn't mean they should be forms.