Healing Signet vs Lions Comfort.

I searched for a post like this and didnt find one. So I apologize in advance if there is one around here somewhere.

I was so excited when I learned there was going to be a Strength based heal coming for the warriors in Night Fall. Now I dont know which one is really better, they both have pros and cons.

Heal sig first:
Pros: You dont have to pour a whole lot of points into Tactics to get a decent heal from Healing signet. It recharges pretty quick so its spammable. It requires no energy (hence signet >.<)

Cons: - 40 AL while using it HURTS BAD and its easily interupted.

Lions Comfort:
Pros:Its Strength based, so you can put alot of points into strenght to make those skills effective without sacrificing a heal skill. points in Strenght will heal you and any points in tactics will give a "bonus" heal. Not as easily interupted as Heal Sig, and there no negative armor penalty when using it.

Cons:It requires Adrenaline, meaning you HAVE TO hit people in order to use it. Cant use it whenever you want, and once you use it after a fight you cant use it again untill you find another fight to get into. Doesnt heal for as much as heal sig. Also it gets to a point that you got ALOT of adrenaline skills on your bar.

I personally dont really like using hardly any of the tactics skills, Only ones I really like are Watch yourself cause it affects your whole party and heal sig. And I will NEVER spam the Riposte skills cause I prefer to kill my opponents with my weapon not by using cheap 'I cant kill you on my own" spells.
So yeah I like strength, I just think the skills in ther are better.

But what is better Healing signet or Lions Comfort. And why couldnt Anet just make a Heal Sig for strength as well as Tactics.

Well I've said enough and I know Ill get my fair comments of being called a noob or a retard for somethings I said but oh well. Let the comments begin. And if you are going to post a comment dont just say "Heal Sig is better, Lions Comfort Sucks" or anything along those lines. Tell me what is better and then more importantly give me your reasons WHY.

Thanks in Advance!!

Well your arguments for both are valid but the -40 armor can be softened a bit with "Watch Yourself!". So depending on the level on your armor if you have 100 vs. Phys and 90 vs. Ele thats 80 vs. Phys and 70 vs. ele rather than 60 and 50. So if you can use "Watch Yourself!" effectively with Healing Signet during a fight it works aswell as lions comfort then once the fight is over you may use the sig till you are fully healed. Now Lions comfort may save you skills and perhaps attribute points if you prefer strength, but as for I, I stick with "Watch Yourself!" and Healing Sig.

P.S. It would be nearly impossible to use Lions comfort when running.

Never go without healing sig. Lion's is to conditional. you could take it along in addition to healing sig if you have an extra slot.

its situational. i would personally prefer signet, tactics seems to generally be better than strength. (besides, it seems lion's comfort actually heals for almost the same from your tactics attribute as it does from the strength one.)

the signet is more spamable, if you're not getting attacked, and not attacking yourself you can stand still and heal. lions needs adrenalin, making it a lot more risky.

Healing Signet is a classic, and I think most people would say it's better.

The adrenaline cost for Lion's Comfort is silly as, at least in my case, healing signet is mostly used in passive activities such as running and tanking. When I am actually fighting I mostly rely on the monk, and healing signet isn't as big a priority.

Plus, again primarily from what I've seen, unless you are running, warriors invest more in tactics than strength. My W/Mo's party build (as in generic mission/explorable area build) has axe mastery at 11, tactics at 14 (for healing sig and a tanking stance), healing prayers at 8 for minor party support and then 5 in strength just for sprint.

Warriors are not meant to have excellent healing potential due to their inherent high armor class and survival skills.


In PvE, don't take any self-heal, simply rely on the party healers. If things get too rough, you can always use Endure Pain or, even better, Signet of Stamina. Stop attacking, hit Stamina, wait for the heal, carry on with the fight.

If the heal didn't come, chances are things went seriously wrong in the first place, so why would you even need a weak self-heal if the rest of your party is wiped or busy running their legs off in the opposite direction. You're going to be monster food soon, so your best option is to retreat. Once again, your best friend is Signet of Stamina (and a speed boost to break aggro).


In PvP, if your team requires you to take a self-heal, nothing beats Healing Signet. You won't be healing yourself under fire anyway. Warriors are not, what you would call, priority targets. Not to mention you can keep on repeating Healing Signet till you are fully healed.


To top it all off, Lion's Comfort disables signets for 12 seconds... Sure, you can "bypass" this by using your signets first and activating Lion's Comfort before the signets have 12 seconds left to recharge, but it's still a tremendous drawback if you consider the number of awesome signets available to a Warrior (Dolyak, Stamina, heck even Purge Signet as /Mo).



tl;dr version:

Warriors shouldn't self-heal in (balanced) PvE. Healing Signet is king in PvP.

Lions Comfort con - re-recharge of signets.

depending on build....i prefer Heal Sig most of the time.
There are occasions where I have a strength based build with no signets where Ill put in Lions Comfort. In these cases I usually run enraging charge which can give me 2 Lions Comforts in sucession if needed.

OT. Dont bash riposte. It is a skill that can be used very effectively in certain situations. It blocks a melee attack against you and does a good deal of damage back. But you apparently dont know that.

I'd say it depends. For pve, if you're looking for a general heal, then heal sig is better. If you're looking for healing mid combat, maybe lions. If you're an axe warrior with triple chop/cyclone axe or sword with hundred blades then you can afford to spam lions all through battle. You shouldn't even need any monk healing. If you're running single target skills, you could do the same but I'd seriously think it over. Running eviserate or dragon slash, or any other single hit skill, you want to use your adren for attacks to spike or dps. Each time you use lions, you're draining adren from your other skills lowering your damage output. And after all, you won't need healing if your enemies are all dead. Kill them quick enough, you should heal from just regen running to the next battle.

In pvp, I'd stick to relying on you dedicated healers. Look after them, and they'll look after you. Or carry heal sig. Just remember to actually run back a bit so you're not actually activating heal sig in full view of an opposing team...

It depends on what you're doing.

For example, I did Abbadon's Gate tonight, Lion's was the better skill because I had high adrenaline throughout the battle. Using that plus Troll Ugnaunt helped my parties healers a lot.

It depends on your skill bar, but in most cases signet is better in between battles and Lion's is good for in the middle of the fray.

I can tell from your statement that when you die its always the monk's fault. Healers are there to support you not to keep you alive. Self heals are a good balance anywhere in PVE especially when adventuring alone. You say Warriors arent meant to have excellent healing but with a attributes leveled to 10 in tactics Healing Signet heals for almost as much as a Heal other from a Monk.
And this arguably goes for your second paragraph, if things go wrong you being a Warrior you are most likely going to die first, and since you pressed that Endure Pain and the Monks ran out of energy your gonna think oh I have 200 health left, then as soon as it ends you're on the ground. You need a self heal to counter that when you rush out of battle with just 200-100 Health left cause once it ends there is no point to have left the battle.
If you have a decent team there should only be occasional cases you would ever need to break aggro (i.e. To many groups attached, Monks have not recharged, etc...).
Your arguments for Lions comfort are valid and Its true, but there is usually only one Signet I keep on my skill bar for any normal PVE enviroment and that is Healing Signet. Now grant there are areas that require these signets and it would not be advisable to bring Lion's comfort anyway.
I think Lion's comfort is not useless but it by no means sounds superior to the Healing Signet from most of everyone's comments. I suppose like many other skills there are times to use it and times not to use it. But as it stands my vote will be Healing Signet for the Superior Heal.

In PvE no warrior will need any form of sealf-heal unless farming. Monks are there for full healing, condition removal, not just "support". That's a Paragon's work maybe or a Rit.

So what if they're a Smiting monk? Not all Monks are there to Fully Heal you some are there strictly to protect not to heal. Begging for a Monk to heal you is ignorance. Even the best monks can see all the spike so if they die what are you gonna do then? Using a Monk as an excuse for not using Self-Heal is rather ignorant.

It's PvE. No need to blow it up.

I either monk with people I know or I choose Tahlkora and Dumbkoro (90% of the time). No need for anything else, ever.

You enjoy your virtual chivalry, I avoid bad players and myths like "tanking".

Why I would ever have the need to beg is beyond me. Get off your horse.

again, is a matter of choice as far as pve goes. i, for example, run almost exclusively with guildies. i know their skill level, their bars, and their roles. so in this case, a self heal becomes a wasted skill slot: i never use it, because i never need it. they actually prefer that i dont bring a self heal, and save that slot for more dmg or utility.

It is not virtual chivalry its stimply staying alive long enough to do the damage you must then move on. Most of the time the Warrior is put at the front to defer the focus off the casters. You yourself are there to keep them distracted and add extra damage. You may choose to rely on your monks and there is nothing wrong with that. But there may be a time that you had wished you hadnt.
You wouldnt beg, and Im not on a horse but I believe a Self-Heal should be more than welcome in any enviroment. The whole point of Tactics attribute for a Warrior is to "Stay Alive".
I agree that Monking with guildies and people you know make you feel secure enough not to bring it. But as for as I go I dont ever feel its a waste to bring it just in case there are any mistakes.And mistakes do happen often even in the best groups.

Healing Signet is king. Lions Comfort is garbage. No self heal in PvE is really quite silly, especially in a pug. Even if you have guildies monking, that doesn't stop them from sucking at it - I have first hand experience of this, trust me, you don't want to take something so important for granted. Oh, and Heal as One on a W/R is better than both of them put together

EDIT- Also, strength has yet to find a use in any situation; even "tanks" don't need it. Even with monks healing, what reason would you have for taking endure pain over healing signet?

Why tank at all? You can "flail" and "earthshaker" (FGJ, TTL etc.) multiple foes to the ground, disrupting chop, cyclone axe, eviscerate, distracting blow (multiple foes again) etc..

I believe tanking makes very lazy/bad players.

Deciding if you need a self heal depends on what you're doing. I normally bring one if I'm using Henchies/Heroes. If I'm with my guild it depends where we are.

For example, if we're doing the Consulate Docks I'm not going to bring a heal; if we're at Gate of Madness I will.

What exactly do you mean by 'Tanking'? When I play I try to grab aggro, and hack then to death.

Heal Siggy all the way :-)

I don't like bringing a selfheal. Let your support do the job. The main usage of selfheals in high-end PvP is when you have splits, of which Healing Signet is clearly better since you do not need to hit anyone to heal - you would probably be running away rather than hitting anyone if you need heals.

I would actually venture to say that none of the Tactics skills really impress me enough for me to put it on as a warrior staple except for Healing Signet, and perhaps "Charge!" and "Watch Yourself!".

Warrior Signets suck. Most of them, anyway, excluding Healing Signet.

By the way, he was attacking Lion's Comfort, so I think you quoted the wrong person or sth.

Air of Enchantment smiters would be able to keep up the party. I haven't seen many successful smiters except for E/Mos and Air of Enchantment smiters.

And of course, there are Protection monks. Actually, Protection Prayers is more efficient than Healing by far. But that doesn't stop him using Gift of Health, Zealous Benediction - hell, Signet of Devotion and Reversal of Fortune help too.

Using bad monks as an excuse to waste a skillslot is rather ignorant.

Most of the time the Warrior is put to the front to smash some face. Even so, if you're getting damaged in PvE, chances are you'll be getting more damage coming your way, and Healing Signet wouldn't really be too helpful.

Oh, and tanking sucks.

Healsig - it's more versatile.
I like to carry it if I'm going to be speccing into tactics for watch yourself, which I usually do in PvE.

Healing Signet I think is better, why?

1) you can tactic defenses to block some interupts and provide yourself added protection when activating the signet

2) unlike Lion's comfort, you are reliant on only 1 attribute, not 2.

3) subject to skill interupts and signet hate spells only (like ignorance)

4) remove adrenaline, no healing from Lion's comfort (such as soothing images, you using wild blow, Final Thrust or something that takes a large amount of adrenaline can remove your need to heal in a desparate situation, etc.)

I love you man, tanking strikes me as being particularly dull. I didn't create my warrior to stand around as a big gimp with 400 AL, I want to KILL stuff.
I hate that rigid 'warrior tanks, the rest kills' style, Warriors kill, KILL KILL RRRRAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!

Alright let me put some clarification into my previous statements maybe I was coming a off a little too strong on whether to bring a self-heal or not. The argument as previously stated is whether Lions Confort or Healing Signet is better. As the thread went on it went into a series of arguments over to bring or not bring a self-heal. Here is my revised version of everything I commented on in this thread. Healing Signet is indeed better. Self-Heals I personally prefer to use because of the way I intend to use my Warrior. Now maybe I came off as a little insulting to those that would prefer to use that slot for more damage when they are traveling with a good support group. There is nothing wrong with that I think all I was simply retaliating for calling it useless when I do not believe it is. We all use diffrent builds and base what we do around what we have to work with. Because I use a large number of diffrent classed axes I tend to change my build often so it doesn't always include Healing Signet or other Tactics related skills. As far as the Strength vs. Tactics go, Im partial to both because I use the Healing Signet, but I also like the extra damage that strength adds, so I try to level both. Lastly as far as the Tanking issue, again I probably came off a little on the aggressive and wasnt thinking clearly, but I realize Im no more a Tank than many others, sure my build is a little more heavy in tactics, but its just a self heal, by no means equals Tanking (In My Opinion). I prefer large amounts of fast damage and althought Im a little heavy in tactics I think it better helps to support my Monk by helping them heal people that may require it more than me. I suppose this would be Virtual Chivalry in a sense but I'm thinking more of a group than myself usually when I go PVE adeventuring. This Thread was started to question the abilities over Healing Signet against Lion's Comfort, and we turned it into an argument about builds. I am one of the guilty parties so I take full blame. But I just wanna rectify my mistaken comments and give my final opinion. Healing Signet is better. That is all.

Well ive used them both and they are both good but in different situations.
Lions comfort is a support heal, healing signet is a full self heal.

If your in a group with a a healer monk id go lions comfort you wont always need healing and its usefull for topping your life up in battle so your not so dependant.

Healing signet is for use outside of battle or when things go horribly wrong and your feeling lucky .

I went FoW spider solo farming earlier and brought both. Healing signet so i could heal myself during the running and Lions comfort for safe top up healing in battle.

Conclusion:
Lions comfort when theres a monk in your group, heal sig when there is'nt.

I almost always bring Healing Signet, heals for more and can be used more often (generally).