Orison's weakness is its casting time.
Like other healing skills, it costs 1s to cast. Since Orison's obvious role is to be a quick spam heal, it is ultimately eclipsed by Reversal Of Fortune (RoF can situationally heal for much more than Orison, but the biggest strength over it is quick recovery). It has nothing to do with the amount of health provided by other healing prayers skills being larger--they have slower recharge times or are situational (Dwayna's Kiss, for instance, is target other ally).
Orison Hate! Wtf???
Spazzer
farmpig
orison's is always on my skill bar i dun know why it draws so much flank
Wagjaffer
I'm just wondering...I've been using WoH for ages, but during this entire thread i've seen maybe 2 mentions of it. Is WoH considered a bad healing spell now, or have you guys just been leaving it out...because I can usually keep a person alive with orison during WoH recharge.
Gah, i hope I'm not terribly outdated, i haven't used anything besides WoH throughout factions and Nightfall!
Gah, i hope I'm not terribly outdated, i haven't used anything besides WoH throughout factions and Nightfall!
Llint
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Originally Posted by Wagjaffer
I'm just wondering...I've been using WoH for ages, but during this entire thread i've seen maybe 2 mentions of it. Is WoH considered a bad healing spell now, or have you guys just been leaving it out...because I can usually keep a person alive with orison during WoH recharge.
Gah, i hope I'm not terribly outdated, i haven't used anything besides WoH throughout factions and Nightfall! Soon came factions, which brought Blessed Light as a great monk elite. Everyone was happy. Then soon came Night fall, and everyone has Light of Deliverance, and now everyone is happy once again.
IMO, LoD is the best monk healing elite. And is one of the best overall.
Gah, i hope I'm not terribly outdated, i haven't used anything besides WoH throughout factions and Nightfall! Soon came factions, which brought Blessed Light as a great monk elite. Everyone was happy. Then soon came Night fall, and everyone has Light of Deliverance, and now everyone is happy once again.
IMO, LoD is the best monk healing elite. And is one of the best overall.
qdq_swi
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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
The only reason I could see saying orison sucks is that heal specced monks suck in general. Monks really shine in the prot line, while they are simply outclassed by rits for sustainable, large heals.
monks can heal for more then rts btw... high divine favour + healing boon + jameis gaze is tons better then any rt heal.
Cebe
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Originally Posted by qdq_swi
monks can heal for more then rts btw... high divine favour + healing boon + jameis gaze is tons better then any rt heal.
Yes, it's a 10-energy heal and you only have 3 pips of energy regen. If you intend spamming Jamei's Gaze while maintaining an enchantment your energy will go down fast. I've always said Ritualist Healers are much better than Monk Healers but not just because of the healing power. Of course with high divine favor monk heals will heal for a few more points than rit heals (if we compare like with like... Orison of Healing heals for 145 with 16 healing, 13 divine whilst Mend Body and Soul heals for 121 AND removes a condition if there is a spirit around)...but are those few extra points really worth the, frankly, rubbish in-house energy management? I think not. Rits can get energy management on demand through skills such as Spirit Channeling...which I use in my Rit healing build and I rarely need to use it, since I also hold Kaolai's Ashes (note: Pre-cast party heal) and when I use Soothing Memories I get 3 energy back also 
- 106HP heal for 2 energy!
Let's not forget the stunning party heals a Ritualist can chuck out. I take Life and Feast of Souls with me. It's basically like the Celestial Skill Star Shine. Usually I just let Life die naturally, but if massive party healing is needed fast, Feast of Souls = WIN! Oh, then there's Protective was Kaolai...the pre-cast "heal party"...
Rit Healers > Monk Healers...no contest in my mind.
Protection on the other hand, is the Monk's department.
But yes, in response to you Jamei's Gaze + Healer's Boon + Divine Favor may dish out a huge heal....but Dr. Strangelove was talking about sustainable heals...I'd like to see you sustain that!
- 106HP heal for 2 energy!Let's not forget the stunning party heals a Ritualist can chuck out. I take Life and Feast of Souls with me. It's basically like the Celestial Skill Star Shine. Usually I just let Life die naturally, but if massive party healing is needed fast, Feast of Souls = WIN! Oh, then there's Protective was Kaolai...the pre-cast "heal party"...
Rit Healers > Monk Healers...no contest in my mind.
Protection on the other hand, is the Monk's department.
But yes, in response to you Jamei's Gaze + Healer's Boon + Divine Favor may dish out a huge heal....but Dr. Strangelove was talking about sustainable heals...I'd like to see you sustain that!
thulsey
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Originally Posted by Llint
Soon came factions, which brought Blessed Light as a great monk elite. Everyone was happy. Then soon came Night fall, and everyone has Light of Deliverance, and now everyone is happy once again.
IMO, LoD is the best monk healing elite. And is one of the best overall. So said Noah, and there was great rejoicing.
And it *knew* Zealous Benediction, and had many bastard children....
Seriously, it's still an ok heal - depends on the situation at hand.
IMO, LoD is the best monk healing elite. And is one of the best overall. So said Noah, and there was great rejoicing.
And it *knew* Zealous Benediction, and had many bastard children....
Seriously, it's still an ok heal - depends on the situation at hand.
Zexion
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Originally Posted by crosshatch123
[skill]healing light[/skill] [skill]Words Of Comfort[/skill] [skill]Dwayna's Kiss[/skill] [skill]Ethereal light[/skill] [skill]Gift of health[/skill]
And thats just heal skills. But I do agree that theres no reason to hate orison. Though I also prefere RoF over Orison, as I always prot.... With the exception of Dwayna's Kiss, all of those have minimum 2x the cast time of Orison, thus I would hardly consider them spamable to the same degree as Orison. And Dwayna's is only Target Other, so can't be counted on to save yourself in a tight spot!
And GoH has no place in a heal specced skill bar! And by "full range" I am sure he also speaks of no restriction. Ethereal Light is pretty restricted I would say.
_Zexion
And thats just heal skills. But I do agree that theres no reason to hate orison. Though I also prefere RoF over Orison, as I always prot.... With the exception of Dwayna's Kiss, all of those have minimum 2x the cast time of Orison, thus I would hardly consider them spamable to the same degree as Orison. And Dwayna's is only Target Other, so can't be counted on to save yourself in a tight spot!
And GoH has no place in a heal specced skill bar! And by "full range" I am sure he also speaks of no restriction. Ethereal Light is pretty restricted I would say.
_Zexion
Freeman
I love Orison, but it does have it's limits, I always have it on my skill bar along with WoH/HB, Kiss, and healing touch. And yes, it is meant to be a spammable heal, you won't always have people affected by condition/enchants/hexes
Lourens
Orison sucks dwaynas kiss ftw
Aphrael
nothing much wrong with orison... but it kinda depends on the area you want to use it... in hex heavy areas, dwaynas kiss easily out does it... but its always good in a tight spot... saved a few people with an orison cast...
in saying that though... its not on my bar as much anymore... still makes it there when im in an area where i know it can be effective... or when im running infuse and i use it to quickly mitigate my own health loss...
in saying that though... its not on my bar as much anymore... still makes it there when im in an area where i know it can be effective... or when im running infuse and i use it to quickly mitigate my own health loss...
Dodo The Extinct
The whole reason why people hate Orison is that they hate the Healing Skills line in general. Protection easily beats it because you can stop damage from happening, which is much easier than healing for damage already done.
The whole Healing Prayers line isn`t very versatile. People just use it because there really isn`t anything else.
The whole Healing Prayers line isn`t very versatile. People just use it because there really isn`t anything else.
Ensign
Who cares if other healing spells have longer recharges than Orison? When did you ever want to spam the weakest heal you could possibly take?
Age
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Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver
Yes, it's a 10-energy heal and you only have 3 pips of energy regen. If you intend spamming Jamei's Gaze while maintaining an enchantment your energy will go down fast. I've always said Ritualist Healers are much better than Monk Healers but not just because of the healing power. Of course with high divine favor monk heals will heal for a few more points than rit heals (if we compare like with like... Orison of Healing heals for 145 with 16 healing, 13 divine whilst Mend Body and Soul heals for 121 AND removes a condition if there is a spirit around)...but are those few extra points really worth the, frankly, rubbish in-house energy management? I think not. Rits can get energy management on demand through skills such as Spirit Channeling...which I use in my Rit healing build and I rarely need to use it, since I also hold Kaolai's Ashes (note: Pre-cast party heal) and when I use Soothing Memories I get 3 energy back also - 106HP heal for 2 energy!
Let's not forget the stunning party heals a Ritualist can chuck out. I take Life and Feast of Souls with me. It's basically like the Celestial Skill Star Shine. Usually I just let Life die naturally, but if massive party healing is needed fast, Feast of Souls = WIN! Oh, then there's Protective was Kaolai...the pre-cast "heal party"...
Rit Healers > Monk Healers...no contest in my mind.
Protection on the other hand, is the Monk's department.
But yes, in response to you Jamei's Gaze + Healer's Boon + Divine Favor may dish out a huge heal....but Dr. Strangelove was talking about sustainable heals...I'd like to see you sustain that! Why do you keep posting in here when you don't play Monk?Rits maybe more efficient but Monks are more effective at it.You don't have[skill]Infuse Health[/skill]for big spike damage.
- 106HP heal for 2 energy!Let's not forget the stunning party heals a Ritualist can chuck out. I take Life and Feast of Souls with me. It's basically like the Celestial Skill Star Shine. Usually I just let Life die naturally, but if massive party healing is needed fast, Feast of Souls = WIN! Oh, then there's Protective was Kaolai...the pre-cast "heal party"...
Rit Healers > Monk Healers...no contest in my mind.
Protection on the other hand, is the Monk's department.
But yes, in response to you Jamei's Gaze + Healer's Boon + Divine Favor may dish out a huge heal....but Dr. Strangelove was talking about sustainable heals...I'd like to see you sustain that! Why do you keep posting in here when you don't play Monk?Rits maybe more efficient but Monks are more effective at it.You don't have[skill]Infuse Health[/skill]for big spike damage.
Ensign
Orison is a heal that you only cast in non-critical situations. You don't need a specialized skill for non-critical situations. You can throw anything in a non-critical situation and have it work well enough.
Peace,
-CxE
Peace,
-CxE
Marverick
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Originally Posted by Age
Why do you keep posting in here when you don't play Monk?Rits maybe more efficient but Monks are more effective at it.You don't have[skill]Infuse Health[/skill]for big spike damage.
[skill]Spirit Transfer[/skill]
And [skill]Generous Was Tsungrai[/skill] + [skill]Infuse Health[/skill] is better than a Monk infuser.
Dwayna's Kiss nearly always heals for more than Orison of Healing does, and Healing Touch is a better self heal.
And [skill]Generous Was Tsungrai[/skill] + [skill]Infuse Health[/skill] is better than a Monk infuser.
Dwayna's Kiss nearly always heals for more than Orison of Healing does, and Healing Touch is a better self heal.
Age
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Originally Posted by Marverick
[skill]Spirit Transfer[/skill]
And [skill]Generous Was Tsungrai[/skill] + [skill]Infuse Health[/skill] is better than a Monk infuser.
Dwayna's Kiss nearly always heals for more than Orison of Healing does, and Healing Touch is a better self heal. There is no way that is better than Infuse Health and it is not effective.It would just take to long as you have to drop a spirit and then hold ashes and then drop the ashes.I only have to infuse and then heal up with touch.Your method would take to long in spike.Then again Protective Spirit has you beat.I only see Orisons as patcher just patch them up when they are -20% health.
And [skill]Generous Was Tsungrai[/skill] + [skill]Infuse Health[/skill] is better than a Monk infuser.
Dwayna's Kiss nearly always heals for more than Orison of Healing does, and Healing Touch is a better self heal. There is no way that is better than Infuse Health and it is not effective.It would just take to long as you have to drop a spirit and then hold ashes and then drop the ashes.I only have to infuse and then heal up with touch.Your method would take to long in spike.Then again Protective Spirit has you beat.I only see Orisons as patcher just patch them up when they are -20% health.
Marverick
Protective Spirit is protection and I'm not arguing a Rit is better in protection. Rits can take Protective Spirit too anyway.
You drop spirits at the start of a fight, not in the middle. Recovery lasts 50+ seconds and also provides a ~50% condition reduction. And Generous Was TSungarai lasts 50+ seconds, you can cast it and leave it for a while.
Infuse Health causes you to lose ~300 health if you run with 600, and Healing Touch may heal 150 of that.
You drop spirits at the start of a fight, not in the middle. Recovery lasts 50+ seconds and also provides a ~50% condition reduction. And Generous Was TSungarai lasts 50+ seconds, you can cast it and leave it for a while.
Infuse Health causes you to lose ~300 health if you run with 600, and Healing Touch may heal 150 of that.
LifeInfusion
If Words of Comfort were akin to Dwayna's Kiss and not able to be used on yourself it would be a different story. I myself dislike Ethereal Light as a self heal because sometimes it is unavoidable to have rangers and such trying to hit you with bows and wands. It is also not advisable for situations like Barrage from Torment mobs.
In a situation where conditions are being applied faster than you can Dismiss them, Words of Comfort outperforms it as a self heal (against skills like Barbed arrows, Apply Poison, Sever Artery) and LoD for party wide degens.
Self Heal wise, Healing Touch IMO.
In most cases where you have a prot monk, Dwayna's Kiss does double or more the heal of Orison of Healing.
In a situation where conditions are being applied faster than you can Dismiss them, Words of Comfort outperforms it as a self heal (against skills like Barbed arrows, Apply Poison, Sever Artery) and LoD for party wide degens.
Self Heal wise, Healing Touch IMO.
In most cases where you have a prot monk, Dwayna's Kiss does double or more the heal of Orison of Healing.
Age
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Originally Posted by Marverick
Protective Spirit is protection and I'm not arguing a Rit is better in protection. Rits can take Protective Spirit too anyway.
You drop spirits at the start of a fight, not in the middle. Recovery lasts 50+ seconds and also provides a ~50% condition reduction. And Generous Was TSungarai lasts 50+ seconds, you can cast it and leave it for a while.
Infuse Health causes you to lose ~300 health if you run with 600, and Healing Touch may heal 150 of that. You didn't include the devine favour bonus did you with touch and there is one.I have tried this with 551 health and it only casted touch once.That is all that I needed.
I am going to take Ensign's advise in his sig.
You drop spirits at the start of a fight, not in the middle. Recovery lasts 50+ seconds and also provides a ~50% condition reduction. And Generous Was TSungarai lasts 50+ seconds, you can cast it and leave it for a while.
Infuse Health causes you to lose ~300 health if you run with 600, and Healing Touch may heal 150 of that. You didn't include the devine favour bonus did you with touch and there is one.I have tried this with 551 health and it only casted touch once.That is all that I needed.
I am going to take Ensign's advise in his sig.
Marverick
If you have 13 Divine and 14 Healing for maximum benefit from Healing Touch, then Divine Favor at 13 heals for 42, double that is 84. Healing Touch at 14 Healing Prayers is 57, for a total of 141.
With 551 health, you lose 275.5 health and Healing Touch heals 141, leaving you with 134.5 health loss total. Stop blowing shit out out of your mouth and get to reality. If you're so stupid you can't calculate for yourself then go play WoW please.
Why are you running with 551 health? I don't see how you can get an odd number of health... oh wait, yea I can, you're an idiot running around with a major vigor.
Guess I'm out of here then, I'd rather not risk forfeiting my sanity by talking to you any longer.
With 551 health, you lose 275.5 health and Healing Touch heals 141, leaving you with 134.5 health loss total. Stop blowing shit out out of your mouth and get to reality. If you're so stupid you can't calculate for yourself then go play WoW please.
Why are you running with 551 health? I don't see how you can get an odd number of health... oh wait, yea I can, you're an idiot running around with a major vigor.
Guess I'm out of here then, I'd rather not risk forfeiting my sanity by talking to you any longer.
Lourens
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Originally Posted by Age
Why do you keep posting in here when you don't play Monk?Rits maybe more efficient but Monks are more effective at it.You don't have[skill]Infuse Health[/skill]for big spike damage.
eh Rt's can use [skill]Infuse Health[/skill] aswell as monks :P
O and u can use Holy Haste to cut orisons casting time
O and u can use Holy Haste to cut orisons casting time
Age
You maybe able to use that but not as good as Monk.What is really bugging is all you Rits who think you are supreme healer when you aren't.You weren't designed that way if you are more powerfull than we Monks then it would seem you are over powered and need some of your skills rebalanced in your restoration line.Monks have been in the game longer and know their jops very when it comes to healing and if Rits were so darn great why aren't there more in gvg.
What is really getting to me about all this is you dumping on Monks and saying how lousy they are has a healing class in our very forum.The fact is we aren't a lousy class when it comes to healing but that is what you Rits and just to let you know I have played a Rit all the way up to the Enternal Grove Mission and capped all the elites up to there.Rits are a fun class to play and maybe efficient but Monks are more effective.
This does not help well for those wanting to become Monk Healers.
What is really getting to me about all this is you dumping on Monks and saying how lousy they are has a healing class in our very forum.The fact is we aren't a lousy class when it comes to healing but that is what you Rits and just to let you know I have played a Rit all the way up to the Enternal Grove Mission and capped all the elites up to there.Rits are a fun class to play and maybe efficient but Monks are more effective.
This does not help well for those wanting to become Monk Healers.
JDRyder
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Originally Posted by Xeones The Great
[skill]Orison of Healing[/skill]
Many people hate this skill with all their guts. The one and only reason I am defending it is to ask this question: Is there any Healing Prayers skill that heals for a moderate amount of health, has a very low recharge, and has full range? I don't know why people hate it so much. Healing Whisper has half range, making it very restricting. The only reason to bring Orison of Healing is to have a heal that you can count on that does not have to recharge for 5+ seconds. With Healer's Boon, it becomes legendary. Yet, even without Healer's Boon, it should be on many more Healing Prayers Monks' skill bars. To tell you the truth, in the beginning, I never carried Orison of Healing with me because everyone had stated that it sucks to the maximum of suckiness. But, I have changed my mind because of the reasons above. If anyone can tell me a 5-energy, low-recharging, fast-casting, full-range heal, I'll shut the hell up. For now, though, I am not convinced that it sucks.
~Xeones Dwayna's kiss?
Many people hate this skill with all their guts. The one and only reason I am defending it is to ask this question: Is there any Healing Prayers skill that heals for a moderate amount of health, has a very low recharge, and has full range? I don't know why people hate it so much. Healing Whisper has half range, making it very restricting. The only reason to bring Orison of Healing is to have a heal that you can count on that does not have to recharge for 5+ seconds. With Healer's Boon, it becomes legendary. Yet, even without Healer's Boon, it should be on many more Healing Prayers Monks' skill bars. To tell you the truth, in the beginning, I never carried Orison of Healing with me because everyone had stated that it sucks to the maximum of suckiness. But, I have changed my mind because of the reasons above. If anyone can tell me a 5-energy, low-recharging, fast-casting, full-range heal, I'll shut the hell up. For now, though, I am not convinced that it sucks.
~Xeones Dwayna's kiss?
Marth Reynolds
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Originally Posted by Age
You maybe able to use that but not as good as Monk.What is really bugging is all you Rits who think you are supreme healer when you aren't.You weren't designed that way if you are more powerfull than we Monks then it would seem you are over powered and need some of your skills rebalanced in your restoration line.Monks have been in the game longer and know their jops very when it comes to healing and if Rits were so darn great why aren't there more in gvg.
What is really getting to me about all this is you dumping on Monks and saying how lousy they are has a healing class in our very forum.The fact is we aren't a lousy class when it comes to healing but that is what you Rits and just to let you know I have played a Rit all the way up to the Enternal Grove Mission and capped all the elites up to there.Rits are a fun class to play and maybe efficient but Monks are more effective.
This does not help well for those wanting to become Monk Healers. Resto rits are mainly depended on spirits, if a resto rit can keep up the spirits he can outheal a pure healing monk with ease.
[skill]Orison of Healing[/skill][skill]Ghostmirror Light[/skill]
^ see what i mean?
What is really getting to me about all this is you dumping on Monks and saying how lousy they are has a healing class in our very forum.The fact is we aren't a lousy class when it comes to healing but that is what you Rits and just to let you know I have played a Rit all the way up to the Enternal Grove Mission and capped all the elites up to there.Rits are a fun class to play and maybe efficient but Monks are more effective.
This does not help well for those wanting to become Monk Healers. Resto rits are mainly depended on spirits, if a resto rit can keep up the spirits he can outheal a pure healing monk with ease.
[skill]Orison of Healing[/skill][skill]Ghostmirror Light[/skill]
^ see what i mean?
Luna Star
^ yes that's very smart, use the worst healing spell for comparison, and if you are taking conditional healing into account, why not compare with [skill]dwayna's kiss[/skill] and don't forget to add the divine favor bonus, also [skill]Signet of Rejuvenation[/skill].
Ritualists can heal, but they can't outheal a healing monk, as the monk can also use [skill]Healer's Boon[/skill].
they are both good at healing.
Ritualists can heal, but they can't outheal a healing monk, as the monk can also use [skill]Healer's Boon[/skill].
they are both good at healing.
Div
Orison is like the healing version of RoF. RoF is an awesome, all purpose prot that can be used in many situations. Though it's not the best, the fact that it's usable almost anywhere makes it so popular. Similarly, orison lacks the raw healing power of dwaynas kiss or ethereal light, but it's an all purpose heal with a low recharge (don't ask me why you'd want to spam it though), can heal yourself, and isn't easily interrupted.
Giga Strike
RoF wont save someone who is dying from degen.
dont flame me for this, i do believe that RoF is better than orison in most situations, but orison has its uses.
dont flame me for this, i do believe that RoF is better than orison in most situations, but orison has its uses.
Age
You would be surprised at what RoF can do under degen although your mana may not like it.That is one good thing about Orison's it can if used right and both skill are core skills you get as quests.Don't forget these are free yes Dwayna's Kiss is in Proph. but that is it.
Mr Emu
To put some more wood on the heal vs. prot fire, i will compare the "benchmark" skills of each line:
---At 12 heal or prot, rof will counteract and heal up to 67 damage while orison will heal for 60. This means that rof can counteract a range of 0 to 134 damage while orison can only negate 60 damage.
---RoF is a proactive skill; you don't have to wait and react
---RoF has a 1/4 sec cast vs. orison's 1
---RoF is in the prot line, which has access to other amazing skills like dismiss (a lightly conditional ~70pt heal and condition removal with a 3 second recharge) and shielding hands (and excellent anti-pressure tool)
---At 12 heal or prot, rof will counteract and heal up to 67 damage while orison will heal for 60. This means that rof can counteract a range of 0 to 134 damage while orison can only negate 60 damage.
---RoF is a proactive skill; you don't have to wait and react
---RoF has a 1/4 sec cast vs. orison's 1
---RoF is in the prot line, which has access to other amazing skills like dismiss (a lightly conditional ~70pt heal and condition removal with a 3 second recharge) and shielding hands (and excellent anti-pressure tool)
BDZeres
My PvE bar is
RoF <--- Always On my bar
Dismiss <-- Always On my bar
SoA <-- changes w/ area. (Either Shielding Hands or signet of devo./rejuv.)
Dwaynas Kiss <-- almost Always on my bar. (sometimes I take gift of health if the area is not hex heavy and I am running ZB or SoD)
Holy Veil <--- almost always on my bar
Prot Spirit <--- always on my bar
WoH (LoD, ZB, SoD, RC) <-- changes w/ area
GoLE
Aegis (Extinguish)
9 Prot (+1), 10 Divine (+1), 11 Heal (+4); OR 11 Prot (+4), 10 (+1) Heal. 9 Divine (+1) w/ ZB or other prot elite bars.
Most cases I can catch a PvE spike with RoF + Dismiss (If deep wound) and WoH. Properly using Prot + SoA + Dwaynas totally negates physical pressure . Prot + Dwaynas will outheal ele damage in most cases. If there is going to be tons of hexes or AoE I take LoD instead of WoH and thats usually enough. Hardmode sometimes requires SoD, RC or ZB and I use that as needed.
GG PvE
RoF <--- Always On my bar
Dismiss <-- Always On my bar
SoA <-- changes w/ area. (Either Shielding Hands or signet of devo./rejuv.)
Dwaynas Kiss <-- almost Always on my bar. (sometimes I take gift of health if the area is not hex heavy and I am running ZB or SoD)
Holy Veil <--- almost always on my bar
Prot Spirit <--- always on my bar
WoH (LoD, ZB, SoD, RC) <-- changes w/ area
GoLE
Aegis (Extinguish)
9 Prot (+1), 10 Divine (+1), 11 Heal (+4); OR 11 Prot (+4), 10 (+1) Heal. 9 Divine (+1) w/ ZB or other prot elite bars.
Most cases I can catch a PvE spike with RoF + Dismiss (If deep wound) and WoH. Properly using Prot + SoA + Dwaynas totally negates physical pressure . Prot + Dwaynas will outheal ele damage in most cases. If there is going to be tons of hexes or AoE I take LoD instead of WoH and thats usually enough. Hardmode sometimes requires SoD, RC or ZB and I use that as needed.
GG PvE
Drizdee
I never take orison over Words of Comfort. Simply due to the fact that orison is in most cases going to be a weaker heal when needed.
Incandecree
This is for PVE and is in no way all encompassing. Many of the groups these days has a Healer's Boon monk and one other monk in an 8+ member group. I carry Arcane Mimicry to copy the HB.
Okay. HB + Orison == about 126 point heal + DF bonus (at 16 healing prayers). Not bad of a heal. I usually don't carry Orison due to what I consider better heals. Now. Seeing that I have one elite that I have copied I can carry another elite. I have been toying with Aura of Faith. That is another 50% heal but it is a target ally. Now your Orison is 189 points of heal + DF bonus. That is a sizeable 5e heal.
Okay. HB + Orison == about 126 point heal + DF bonus (at 16 healing prayers). Not bad of a heal. I usually don't carry Orison due to what I consider better heals. Now. Seeing that I have one elite that I have copied I can carry another elite. I have been toying with Aura of Faith. That is another 50% heal but it is a target ally. Now your Orison is 189 points of heal + DF bonus. That is a sizeable 5e heal.
segnisletum
Ignoring the rt vs monk and heal vs prot part of the thread and more on orison.
The main argument for orison that I am seeing is that it is a spammable cheap heal. Speaking in terms of a straight up heal build as it is the only time I think anyone would carry orison you have 5 slots to play with (hex/condition removal and res taking the other 3). You can spam through dwaynas, words of comfort, ethereal, woh/lod/healing light, signet of rejuvenation and by the time you are done dwaynas and words is ready to cast again. Not doing the math but you can probably switch out the elite for hb and it would still work. Could even carry healing whisper for heals on other casters as they would probably be in that skills range.
The above chain without orison is blind luck casting conditional heals but I would take both of them in that scenerio over orison.
As for the "yeah but hb+orison=good heal" argument, hb+any heal=big number. If other heals>orison before hb, adding hb(a % increase not a set amount) would only increase the gap between themselves and orison. Granted some skills aren't helped by hb, but with the loss of a pip you don't want to be spamming anyways.
The main argument for orison that I am seeing is that it is a spammable cheap heal. Speaking in terms of a straight up heal build as it is the only time I think anyone would carry orison you have 5 slots to play with (hex/condition removal and res taking the other 3). You can spam through dwaynas, words of comfort, ethereal, woh/lod/healing light, signet of rejuvenation and by the time you are done dwaynas and words is ready to cast again. Not doing the math but you can probably switch out the elite for hb and it would still work. Could even carry healing whisper for heals on other casters as they would probably be in that skills range.
The above chain without orison is blind luck casting conditional heals but I would take both of them in that scenerio over orison.
As for the "yeah but hb+orison=good heal" argument, hb+any heal=big number. If other heals>orison before hb, adding hb(a % increase not a set amount) would only increase the gap between themselves and orison. Granted some skills aren't helped by hb, but with the loss of a pip you don't want to be spamming anyways.
moko
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Originally Posted by segnisletum
Ignoring the rt vs monk and heal vs prot part of the thread and more on orison.
The main argument for orison that I am seeing is that it is a spammable cheap heal. Speaking in terms of a straight up heal build as it is the only time I think anyone would carry orison you have 5 slots to play with (hex/condition removal and res taking the other 3). You can spam through dwaynas, words of comfort, ethereal, woh/lod/healing light, signet of rejuvenation and by the time you are done dwaynas and words is ready to cast again. Not doing the math but you can probably switch out the elite for hb and it would still work. Could even carry healing whisper for heals on other casters as they would probably be in that skills range.
The above chain without orison is blind luck casting conditional heals but I would take both of them in that scenerio over orison. but the point is, that's a bad thing to do. you can't argue that way. bad things having a use in things that are bad doesn't exactly make the bad thing good in the first place. <_<
my god that made no sense..
to sum it up..orison sucks. spamming something to make the red bars go up (with a bad result at that) is baed.
The main argument for orison that I am seeing is that it is a spammable cheap heal. Speaking in terms of a straight up heal build as it is the only time I think anyone would carry orison you have 5 slots to play with (hex/condition removal and res taking the other 3). You can spam through dwaynas, words of comfort, ethereal, woh/lod/healing light, signet of rejuvenation and by the time you are done dwaynas and words is ready to cast again. Not doing the math but you can probably switch out the elite for hb and it would still work. Could even carry healing whisper for heals on other casters as they would probably be in that skills range.
The above chain without orison is blind luck casting conditional heals but I would take both of them in that scenerio over orison. but the point is, that's a bad thing to do. you can't argue that way. bad things having a use in things that are bad doesn't exactly make the bad thing good in the first place. <_<
my god that made no sense..
to sum it up..orison sucks. spamming something to make the red bars go up (with a bad result at that) is baed.
Age
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Originally Posted by segnisletum
Ignoring the rt vs monk and heal vs prot part of the thread and more on orison.
The main argument for orison that I am seeing is that it is a spammable cheap heal. Speaking in terms of a straight up heal build as it is the only time I think anyone would carry orison you have 5 slots to play with (hex/condition removal and res taking the other 3). You can spam through dwaynas, words of comfort, ethereal, woh/lod/healing light, signet of rejuvenation and by the time you are done dwaynas and words is ready to cast again. Not doing the math but you can probably switch out the elite for hb and it would still work. Could even carry healing whisper for heals on other casters as they would probably be in that skills range.
The above chain without orison is blind luck casting conditional heals but I would take both of them in that scenerio over orison.
As for the "yeah but hb+orison=good heal" argument, hb+any heal=big number. If other heals>orison before hb, adding hb(a % increase not a set amount) would only increase the gap between themselves and orison. Granted some skills aren't helped by hb, but with the loss of a pip you don't want to be spamming anyways. You mean use both Healing breeze plus Orisons that is 15 energy might as well use Shield of Rengeration.
The main argument for orison that I am seeing is that it is a spammable cheap heal. Speaking in terms of a straight up heal build as it is the only time I think anyone would carry orison you have 5 slots to play with (hex/condition removal and res taking the other 3). You can spam through dwaynas, words of comfort, ethereal, woh/lod/healing light, signet of rejuvenation and by the time you are done dwaynas and words is ready to cast again. Not doing the math but you can probably switch out the elite for hb and it would still work. Could even carry healing whisper for heals on other casters as they would probably be in that skills range.
The above chain without orison is blind luck casting conditional heals but I would take both of them in that scenerio over orison.
As for the "yeah but hb+orison=good heal" argument, hb+any heal=big number. If other heals>orison before hb, adding hb(a % increase not a set amount) would only increase the gap between themselves and orison. Granted some skills aren't helped by hb, but with the loss of a pip you don't want to be spamming anyways. You mean use both Healing breeze plus Orisons that is 15 energy might as well use Shield of Rengeration.