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Shmanka

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

In Your Head

The Brave Will Fall [Nion]

Me/

15 Mar 2007 at 17:53 - 1

As awkward as the title is, I sat down for a moment and thought about GvG after browsing the PvP forums, then saw other random posts about nagging about pvp and pve and how loosely they are related, with the exception of course on HA and FoW/UW in an attempt to become completely disrelated.

I had also thought about how useless the past weekend event was for GvG champ points where only a few guilds could get them. So I pondered about all of these topics and thought of one of the absolute most ridiculous ideas ever: What if the Guild Lord dropped a Glob of Ectoplasm?

I think I tried to relate winning in HA compared to the difficulty, and rewards into GvG for some reason.

I actually started laughing, then attempted to think of some reason to just try and justify my answer out of pure want as to why this would be legit, but had no brain power to do so.

Like I said ridiculous idea, but I would want this to be discussed! Ninja Style!

PvE'ers would you actually start to GvG? Would Ectoplasm be overfarmed?
Would this make the desire to PvP more profitable for PvE based characters?
Would PvP'ers become angry? Could this be a kind of legitament weekend event? What other ridiculous ideas do you think can make the game more interesting?

Discuss!

Mitchel

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2007

Almkerk, The Netherlands

P/W

15 Mar 2007 at 17:57 - 2

I think this is a good idea, just like the HoH chest. (Oh and ecto's would drop to, /wink).

Canadian Bacon

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Ontario, Canada

Kingdom of Tyria [KoT]

15 Mar 2007 at 17:59 - 3

I think this should be in Sardelac...I think thats the suggestion forum.

As a PvEer, I don't think ecto would make me PvP more, since I don't care about prestige armors either, lol. Thats just me.

Shmanka

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

In Your Head

The Brave Will Fall [Nion]

Me/

15 Mar 2007 at 18:02 - 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Canadian Bacon

I think this should be in Sardelac...I think thats the suggestion forum.

This is not an actual suggestion, just a completely random thought. I am not actually proposing this I just want to see what people actually "think" about the legitamacy of a completely awkward idea.

Kool Pajamas

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Maryland

Mage Elites [MAGE]

15 Mar 2007 at 18:17 - 5

Personally, imo, having really weird things like this as short events that randomly pop up would be kinda fun. Like that time when Lions arch looked like Amnoon or something. I wasnt there but I saw the pics. Or that glitch where there were a thousand ghost in the box ghosts in Kamadan and other towns.

Shakti

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2006

Home...

Vier Reiter [Vier]

15 Mar 2007 at 18:18 - 6

For me, I prefer PvE as a type of play, not because it's profitable,so no it wouldn't turn me PvP. Why not though?

Vilaptca

Pre-Searing Vanquisher

Join Date: Jun 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

15 Mar 2007 at 18:19 - 7

I can't see PvE players liking this. Or this even causing PvE players to GvG.

So you have a 1 in 8 chance to get the ecto from the Guild Lord in your group. That leaves 7 other players on the team unhappy. Not only that, but these PvE players will need to start PvPing...and be good at it. You aren't going to get that ecto if you can't win. Many will give up after a few attempts at GvG and move on. Farming UW is much more efficient that a Guild Battle.

If that ecto is supposed to lure PvE players into GvG, it will surely never work.

Zapper901

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Fire and [ICE]

W/

15 Mar 2007 at 18:21 - 8

As long as they don't drop in GvGs where you can invite someone to fight you, this would be fine. If it did then 2 Guilds could get together and make 8 ectos (I'm assuming the GL would drop one for each person) per about 5 minutes.
Edit: I guess from what Vilaptca said it would only be one ecto total for the group, in which case this seems pretty pointless, and could lead to anger in the guild.

Feminist Terrorist

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Oh Noes! The 'burbs!

15 Mar 2007 at 18:24 - 9

I am indifferent to ectos, and have never had much luck in pvp. I also have way too many characters to get as far through NF as I can stand.

c_ras

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Eternal Deliverance

R/

15 Mar 2007 at 18:26 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shmanka

Like I said ridiculous idea, but I would want this to be discussed! Ninja Style!

Discuss!

Aren't Ninjas usually quiet? Or do you mean by coming out with a Thief/Tenchu "I'm going to kill you" attitude with high jumps and flips and blades flapping and flaring with 50 Shurikens flying at you per second type of Ninja Style? I'm confused as to which one you want.

Either way, I'm not sure it would be a great idea. If Guild Lords start dropping Ectos, then I can see people setting up Guild scrimmages and just start "farming" ectos that way. Do a 1v1, gank the NPCs, kill GL, collect Ecto. Throw in some conditioner, rinse and repeat. Use as directed. I believe you have to kill Guild Lords in the Dajkah Inlet Challenge Mission as well. Killing them is pretty easy. Especially on the first map. It takes about 3 minutes max. You could just keep killing him over and over again.

- Aldoros of Faydark

Shmanka

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

In Your Head

The Brave Will Fall [Nion]

Me/

15 Mar 2007 at 18:28 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by c_ras

Aren't Ninjas usually quiet? Or do you mean by coming out with a Thief/Tenchu "I'm going to kill you" attitude with high jumps and flips and blades flapping and flaring with 50 Shurikens flying at you per second type of Ninja Style? I'm confused as to which one you want.

- Aldoros of Faydark

The better one

Tarun

Technician's Corner Moderator

Join Date: Jan 2006

The TARDIS

http://www.lunarsoft.net/ http://forums.lunarsoft.net/

15 Mar 2007 at 18:41 - 12

If I wanted to do something like a GvG I'd do that weird challenge mission.

lacasner

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

15 Mar 2007 at 20:05 - 13

Coudlnt this be manipulated though with people being bribed to lose or something for the ecto/rare drop?

Not really sure haven't gvged much.

Thomas.knbk

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

15 Mar 2007 at 21:20 - 14

I like this suggestion because it lessens the gap between PvE and PvP without forcing anyone to play either gametype to be successfull in the other.

/signed

Strange Guy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2007

MI, USA

Is Gwen Eighteen [yet]

Mo/Me

15 Mar 2007 at 23:20 - 15

Uhmm....

/notsign

Well, if this idea really become true then there will be GvG farming going on. Lacking the real meaning of guild wars! You can just make 2 guilds! Keep losing until the rating is rediculous low! Then whenever 2 guilds enter, they will surely meet each other then just go on and kill guild lord! Then resign! WoW what an idea!

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

16 Mar 2007 at 04:10 - 16

umm no.

Remember hero battles?

/roll

tenshi_strife

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

in sardelac getting yelled at.

Angels of Strife[Aoc]

E/

16 Mar 2007 at 04:18 - 17

heh yea um no

the reward of gvg is to have a high ranked guild, its all in the presige. if you add this it ruins all of the current reasons for gvg and it will become a useless farm area with no potential for bragging rights about your guild.

/notsigned

Knightsaber Sith

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2006

Few Fallen Heroes [FFH]

W/E

16 Mar 2007 at 05:08 - 18

Two guilds that are friends do matches all day, I let you win one round-you let me win one round-ad nauseum.

/notsigned

Shmanka

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

In Your Head

The Brave Will Fall [Nion]

Me/

16 Mar 2007 at 06:21 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas.knbk

I like this suggestion because it lessens the gap between PvE and PvP without forcing anyone to play either gametype to be successfull in the other.

People don't "/signed" or "/notsigned" this is not an actual proposition just an idea and what people think could be legitament about it. Darn it! I don't want the thread to degenerate I have more random ideas!

Not A Fifty Five

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

Creating guild

Mo/

16 Mar 2007 at 15:21 - 20

/notsigned

triple/quadruple faction for gvg (and double for HA) would be nice tho. Its supposed to be the peak of the game, not random arenas. At triple it'd be about even, quadruple it'd dominate. I thin a pvp reward would be better than a pve one, doncha think?

Edit: heh, and this is sardelac its about actual ideas. If you want random ideas go to off-topic and inane or that other one where you just go to talk

But this is a decent legitimate idea so peopel are/sign and /unsigning it.

Coran Ironclaw

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Guardianes Del Honor

R/Mo

16 Mar 2007 at 15:57 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not A Fifty Five

/notsigned

triple/quadruple faction for gvg (and double for HA) would be nice tho. Its supposed to be the peak of the game, not random arenas. At triple it'd be about even, quadruple it'd dominate. I thin a pvp reward would be better than a pve one, doncha think?.

Even when we have pve rewards on ha??

I want to suggest based on this idea, I would love if for every gvg 1 flame of balthazar would be given to each winning party member, (Not skirmishes, Not unrated).

That way you can use the flame to have more faction if you want or sell it to receive a little income.

That way you wont be worry about ectos to be overfarmed, because they would be.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not A Fifty Five

/
Edit: heh, and this is sardelac its about actual ideas. If you want random ideas go to off-topic and inane or that other one where you just go to talk

But this is a decent legitimate idea so peopel are/sign and /unsigning it.

This guy didn't post on sardelac, it got his thread moved.

Not A Fifty Five

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

Creating guild

Mo/

16 Mar 2007 at 19:40 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coran Ironclaw

This guy didn't post on sardelac, it got his thread moved.

Yeah I think pve rewards in HA are a bad idea lol.

Realm of Fiery Doom

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2007

Realm of Fiery Doom

16 Mar 2007 at 22:03 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shmanka

People don't "/signed" or "/notsigned" this is not an actual proposition just an idea and what people think could be legitament about it. Darn it! I don't want the thread to degenerate I have more random ideas!

The very next post...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not A Fifty Five

/notsigned

/slapmyheadinfrustration

Oh, and Shmanka, keep those ideas coming. We might have a genius on our hands. If not, I'll lock you in the Pits of Fiery Doom

Actually, wait. I can't lock you in a pit, can I?

Oh whatever. I'll lock you in a cardboard box. Good enough for me anyway.

Back on topic, if you prove to me that there is absolutely no way that this can be exploited, then yes.

Not A Fifty Five

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

Creating guild

Mo/

17 Mar 2007 at 00:41 - 24

yeah but this is sardelac not brainstorm

whoever moved it to sardelac should prolly just move it back, the OP don't want it here

but as long as this is in sardelac the original post is what matters, rambling doesnt help because half the forum does not read the other posts.

jiggerjay

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

England

Curse of the grail [Cotg]

W/

17 Mar 2007 at 02:04 - 25

/signed

i like the idea, it would get more players to actively play Pvp.

Yaga Philipe

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

Insanity

Vis Decus Vertus [vDv]

R/

17 Mar 2007 at 03:36 - 26

I think if this happened, an easy scam would appear. You could just get 2 guilds and do an unrated match. One guild sits and does nothing, while the other kills the guild lord easily. BAM! quick and easy ectos.

Perkunas

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2006

In my own little world, looking at yours

Only Us[NotU]

E/

17 Mar 2007 at 04:15 - 27

As a PvE'er, will this make me GvG more? No
Will it make PvP more attractive to me? No

Ectos have no appeal to me. I have just enough gold for what I need. I have only 1 more 'major' goal in this game, and that is the Survivor Title. I have 2 more character classes to try, mesmer & necro, to get thru Prophesies.

PvP, maybe, after I buy Factions and Nightfall and get all classes thru them.

Priest Of Sin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Sitting upon Kerrigan's Throne.

Live For The Swarm [ZERG]

Me/N

17 Mar 2007 at 18:37 - 28

Uh... couldn't we just endlessly enter scrimmages and grab ecto every 10 minutes? I mean... that's like 60k per hour... for doing nothing.

/notsigned

Shmanka

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

In Your Head

The Brave Will Fall [Nion]

Me/

18 Mar 2007 at 20:24 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yaga Philipe

I think if this happened, an easy scam would appear. You could just get 2 guilds and do an unrated match. One guild sits and does nothing, while the other kills the guild lord easily. BAM! quick and easy ectos.

Well I have some pointers here.

First even if there was a possible way, in a scrimmage. In order to kill the guild lord fast you would have to go through NPC's and in order to make it worth your time, you would have to have 6+ people killing those NPC's and only one guild lord could even possibly be killed. So a 1/12 chance you get the ecto in about lets say 5-6 minutes. Sounds like a restrict UW to me

Oh and my next random idea WILL come soon, I just have to be really bored.

BahamutKaiser

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Heightened state of mind.

P/W

18 Mar 2007 at 22:16 - 30

I actually like the idea alot, some sort of rare matierial or green drop would be good for any big battle, and PvE characters/players need some earnings from playing PvP, really there should be plenty of drops, it is just a natural way of rewarding effort, and PvE exclusive players get next to nothing for winning PvP.

Although, it may be easier to dispense and share gold to winning teams, and increase the gold based on the tier and difficulty of the battle.

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

18 Mar 2007 at 22:44 - 31

It’s a good idea on the surface but I like the way that GvG players play GvG battles for the sheer enjoyment of it. Incentivising ‘PvE-ers’ in to GvG with aesthetics would only degrade the quality of play and reduce the standards to the likes of HA. There’d be a lot of Lord-ganking too.

HA offers shiny emotes and rare items which makes it attractive to those who seek wealth and appraisal but GvG remains more dignified and offering loot as a reward might tarnish its reputation. Even the simplicity of the Champion title reduced the quality of GvG by inspiring fast-win gimmicks (Searing Flames!) to bump up those numbers.

In conclusion, GvG should be played only for the winning.

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

20 Mar 2007 at 18:25 - 32

Well... if the guild lord would drop an ectoplasm... there will be lots of battles arranged to alternatively lose, and then share the loot.

A PvE drop should drop only in PvE, where no human con can control or ease the drop.