Possible changes to LB and Sunspear (coming soon...maybe)

drakun01

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

YAY MONDAY! But I cannot play until wednesday...=(
I agree with Vitis.
The Skill cap title may be viewed as a grind, but it is the difference between that and, say, sunspear that make it special. It shows that you traveled, and saw everything there is to be seen, like cartographer.

quickmonty

quickmonty

Ancient Windbreaker

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zonzai
Eh, I still don't care about those titles.
So, are you one of those people I see in Nightfall endgame areas with no Lightbringer Gaze?

GuildWiki Jamie

GuildWiki Jamie

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2006

Heroes Of Primeval Eden

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by quickmonty
So, are you one of those people I see in Nightfall endgame areas with no Lightbringer Gaze?
ack! don't judge me... It's not my fault I don't want to farm LB points rather than get to Abaddon. j/k

Guildmaster Cain

Guildmaster Cain

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

Guildmistress Eve [Me], Guildmistress Azura [N], Guildmistress Azumi [A], Guildmistress Jaina [D]

Guildmaster Aeron [Rt], Arthas Ironfist [W], Guild: The Tyrian Templars [TTT]

I'm one of those people with LB rank 1 henchwaying himself to ~and killing~ Abaddon.

LB Gaze is highly overrated, besides its useless in 80% of the NF, which is 1/3 of whole GW. So LB Gaze can be used for less then 7% of the game...

I really dont mind if you guys waste your time farming LB points.

Sid Doog

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

DR (Drunkin Rangers)

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Evilsod
Anet are probably thinking more along the lines of, better late than never.

They'd better not touch the max for Lightbringer (unless they're decreasing it). 50000 LB points just isn't attainable without AFKing it while you still could with the current bounties of 2 per demon. Any higher will just be moronic.

Either way we're relying on information Gaile said... Gaile talks bullshit in the hope it will keep the population happy, i'd be surprised if we actually see anything worth mentioning on Monday.
50,000 LB isnt hard to get at all do a couple 4 area runs and bingo you will have it in no time, i am almost there less than 2000 away, i never once afked my way, so 50,000 is just fine IMO

Jebus

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Belgium

Legion of Sacred Light [LSL]

W/

So, it's Monday...

SeZMehK

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

NY

Gamerz Unlimited [GU]

E/Me

Give them time to actually get things together to post it all up. Don't expect them to have the update ready the moment it became monday at midnight last night.

Yichi

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jebus
So, it's Monday...
now the pve community knows how the pvp community has felt for the last 6 months...

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by MistressYichi
now the pve community knows how the pvp community has felt for the last 6 months...
Monday is when the announcements are going to be told, youngin'.

Yichi

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Monday is when the announcements are going to be told, youngin'.
still refer to my reply. 6 months ago the pvp community was told that we would be recieving changes to our favorite areas. GVG, HA, Etc.. While we have seen a moderate to decent change in HA, the skill balances and GVG scene are completely Stagnant. Since everyone always likes to blame the pvp players for "Whining" so much, this is why.

In this thread ive seen multiple times that "OMG they are finally giving us info and addressing this, shame its only 5 months late..." comments. so as i said, now the pve and pvp communities have something in common.

I will still bet you money they address the precious LB/Sunspear titles before the AT's come into play....

TabascoSauce

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

Virginia, US

TFgt

W/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by kazjun
The fact is that all titles are grind of some kind. So what? You don't ever have to max them, and if the game actually requires you to get the title, the rank is usually pathetically low. You don't ever have to grind for them, but if you want to you should be able to. Take the titles out of the game? Why? If people want to put the time into getting the title, then good on them. If you don't want to 'grind' for titles, good on you too. But don't turn around an complain that you should get the same thing that other people have worked for, or that the titles should be removed since you can't get them without work.
...So you would not object to making the effect of the Light Gaze skill the same (regardless of the rank) ?

Thx!
TabascoSauce

Zorglubb

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2007

Monday has come and gone here, still no announcemnet.... sniff

lucifer_uk

lucifer_uk

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Nottingham, England

The Venerable Truth [TvT] The Venerable Alliance [TvH] [TvL]

R/

Still time yet. They said evening GMT time.....

Viet Spirit

Viet Spirit

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2007

R/

SP points are useless after getting enough to receive SP rebirth signet but LB is quite useful in RoT and DOA as you deal 5% damage with each rank in LB. NO?

TabascoSauce

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

Virginia, US

TFgt

W/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Viet Spirit
SP points are useless after getting enough to receive SP rebirth signet but LB is quite useful in RoT and DOA as you deal 5% damage with each rank in LB. NO?
Correct. The poster that I quoted states that "If you do not want to, then don't", as if completing the game was no easier with higher LB.

I am waiting for him to come up with some creative way of saying that it is not just the title that he cares about, while saying that the title is all he cares about.

Take PvP, there is no real argument for having the favor restrict access that makes logical sense. It is all based on the premise that, without consequences that affect thousands or even millions of players, then those people fighting their hearts out for Favor are basically.....dueling eachother for nothing? What's the point then? Favor would be toothless and therefore less meaningful.

Same here. People who exploited the bug early for LB points of course are going to object on others having just as easy a time. Oh yeah I forgot, NOONE on this forum POSSIBLY did THAT.

Thx!
TabascoSauce

Beqxter

Beqxter

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

Berkeley, CA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorglubb
Monday has come and gone here, still no announcemnet.... sniff
It's still lunchtime in Seattle (1pm). Probably coming soon, they usually do their community news updates around 3pm PST.

Morgoth the dark

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

[CDEX]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by quickmonty
So, are you one of those people I see in Nightfall endgame areas with no Lightbringer Gaze?
LB gaze is overrated. Higly overrated. Skill, which you can use only on demons in NF end... gg.
Endging game without it, now that is something on other hand.

MirageMaster

MirageMaster

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2007

EU

Meh,anet lied again, monday is almost over and still nothing.

Zinger314

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

Unless you completely ignore LB bounties and Vabbi quests, you should have LB 2 by the time you hit the Realm of Torment. Not having LB, IMO, is laziness.

Of course, LB 3 or higher isn't required. But the point still stands.

Waakku

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2006

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by MirageMaster
Meh,anet lied again, monday is almost over and still nothing.
Even if it's almost tomorrow in your country it doesn't mean that it's nearly that late to them... You just have to wait.

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by MistressYichi
still refer to my reply. 6 months ago the pvp community was told that we would be recieving changes to our favorite areas. GVG, HA, Etc.. While we have seen a moderate to decent change in HA, the skill balances and GVG scene are completely Stagnant. Since everyone always likes to blame the pvp players for "Whining" so much, this is why.

In this thread ive seen multiple times that "OMG they are finally giving us info and addressing this, shame its only 5 months late..." comments. so as i said, now the pve and pvp communities have something in common.

I will still bet you money they address the precious LB/Sunspear titles before the AT's come into play....
Ah, k I see what you mean...Sorry for my previous post.

But yes, I agree. At least we can cry together, oy?

Fender

Fender

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ohio

XoO

Quote:
Originally Posted by MirageMaster
Meh,anet lied again, monday is almost over and still nothing.
It is only 1:30 in the afternoon there...

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

They need to specify timezones when it comes to dates.

lucifer_uk

lucifer_uk

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Nottingham, England

The Venerable Truth [TvT] The Venerable Alliance [TvH] [TvL]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Again
They need to specify timezones when it comes to dates.
Gaile did say evening time GMT 0 (i.e. London etc). In case anyone hasn't noticed - there is a lot of the evening left to go yet.

Sekoria

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2007

Belgium

RoS

N/E

Well, if my calculations are correct, it must be roughly 20h40 at GMT 0. However, even if they don't announce anything today, one more day isn't gonna make a world of difference imho.

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by lucifer_uk
Gaile did say evening time GMT 0 (i.e. London etc). In case anyone hasn't noticed - there is a lot of the evening left to go yet.
I just seem to be missing a lot of things today...But I'm not alone, given the people who've already said that ANet's late.

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sid Doog
50,000 LB isnt hard to get at all do a couple 4 area runs and bingo you will have it in no time, i am almost there less than 2000 away, i never once afked my way, so 50,000 is just fine IMO
Oh sorry, i should've said 'This title isn't possible to max without afking or while actually playing the game'. Having to mass farm an area 10000 times doesn't come to close to been sensible or not hard to get.

Why would they specifiy a timezone? It gives them till midnight at GMT -12 hours. They're probably trying to find more ingenius ways to completely screw up the Euro server again.

lucifer_uk

lucifer_uk

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Nottingham, England

The Venerable Truth [TvT] The Venerable Alliance [TvH] [TvL]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Again
I just seem to be missing a lot of things today...But I'm not alone, given the people who've already said that ANet's late.
Nope... people are panicking for their new Guild Wars fix of features

Give 'em chance.

Sir Skullcrasher

Sir Skullcrasher

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

15 over 50 [Rare]

W/Mo

I hope this rumor is true!

aubee

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by upier
exactly!
lightbringer is a title gone just wrong and sunspear is just insane grind for elonian characters! it artificialy tries to make the game longer by forcing stupid rules onto the players!
I only have two Elonian characters, a paragon and a mesmer. Didn't do any grind or farming for points at all with either and never had any problem with sunspear points. Guess it might be a pain if you're doing your nth elonian character and don't want to do all the quests.

I did have problems having to grind for sunspear general for canthan and tyrian characters to qualify to do "And a Hero Shall Lead Them", but Anet has since fixed that.

Gaile Gray

Gaile Gray

ArenaNet

Join Date: Feb 2005

Hey, guys,

As it turns out, information about Hard Mode will be forthcoming tomorrow. We had a couple of amendments to make that involved providing an expansion of the lead designer's comments about this future update, so we need to hold the notes until tomorrow.

Sorry for the delay and thanks for your understanding!

Goldenboy

Goldenboy

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2007

England, UK

Scouts of Tyria [SoT]

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Ahh, thanks for breaking silence anyway - Some of us can go to bed now :-p

Zinger314

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
Hey, guys,

As it turns out, information about Hard Mode will be forthcoming tomorrow. We had a couple of amendments to make that involved providing an expansion of the lead designer's comments about this future update, so we need to hold the notes until tomorrow.

Sorry for the delay and thanks for your understanding!
Hard Mode?! I thought it was about Sunspear/Lightbringer!

So they are related!

Oh boy.

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

Aw. Some. HERE WE GOES!

Orphan Anthem

Orphan Anthem

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Kinetic Fusion [kF]

TALKS about the titles? how about some acule infermation then post something

Skyy High

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Evilsod
Oh sorry, i should've said 'This title isn't possible to max without afking or while actually playing the game'. Having to mass farm an area 10000 times doesn't come to close to been sensible or not hard to get.
Compared to, say:
- 1 million gold + 10k minutes for drunkard
- 1 million gold + a few hours of solid clicking for sweet tooth
- 10 million faction donated for the Luxon/Kurzick titles
- 60k fame for rank14 (we don't even know how much rank 15 requires)
- 10k chests or gold items identified for max treasure hunter / wisdom titles
- 1 million tickets won for Golden
- 100k games lost for Wretched

Seems like a title that can actually be maxed by playing the game, albeit only in certain areas. Time wise, it probably is only less time consuming than the protector and cartographer titles to max.

And don't say that it should be easier to max because it gives gameplay advantages. Gaining rank 3 (and even rank4 ) is quite easy, and once you're hitting 4 or 5 enemies per mob, you're probably not going to be missing many, if any at all.

[edit]Ooh, I was so excited to hear about it today...ah well, I waited a week, I can wait another day.

Retribution X

Retribution X

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Check behind you again.

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyy High
Compared to, say:
- 1 million gold + 10k minutes for drunkard
- 1 million gold + a few hours of solid clicking for sweet tooth
- 10 million faction donated for the Luxon/Kurzick titles
- 60k fame for rank14 (we don't even know how much rank 15 requires)
- 10k chests or gold items identified for max treasure hunter / wisdom titles
- 1 million tickets won for Golden
- 100k games lost for Wretched

Seems like a title that can actually be maxed by playing the game, albeit only in certain areas. Time wise, it probably is only less time consuming than the protector and cartographer titles to max.
Drunkard, You can chat with friends while just standing aroung. really can't do that when you're killing mobs over and over eh?

Sweet tooth, Well, Few mins of clicking...

Well, Personally, AB is fun for me, but zoning and constantly killing some monsters isn't.

The Fame title if probably unmaxable.

10K golds are easy. so are 10k chests. one of the easiest titles ever.

Luck and unlucky can be AFK'd. Easiest title ever.


Um, But where the hell can you max EITHER title by playing the game? Sunspear title is unmaxable as of now, and I've got to kill over 5000 baddies to beat the game? Wow...

TabascoSauce

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

Virginia, US

TFgt

W/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyy High
Compared to, say:
- 1 million gold + 10k minutes for drunkard
- 1 million gold + a few hours of solid clicking for sweet tooth
- 10 million faction donated for the Luxon/Kurzick titles
- 60k fame for rank14 (we don't even know how much rank 15 requires)
- 10k chests or gold items identified for max treasure hunter / wisdom titles
- 1 million tickets won for Golden
- 100k games lost for Wretched

Seems like a title that can actually be maxed by playing the game, albeit only in certain areas. Time wise, it probably is only less time consuming than the protector and cartographer titles to max.
I think that LB is the only title with an in-game effect that directly assists in beating the final killer lv28 mobs.

Thx!
TabascoSauce

mr_groovy

mr_groovy

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Netherlands

No Inherent Effect [NiE]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
Hey, guys,

As it turns out, information about Hard Mode will be forthcoming tomorrow. We had a couple of amendments to make that involved providing an expansion of the lead designer's comments about this future update, so we need to hold the notes until tomorrow.

Sorry for the delay and thanks for your understanding!
/sigh Hope this " information " will also provide us a aprox. date of implementation

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
Hey, guys,

As it turns out, information about Hard Mode will be forthcoming tomorrow. We had a couple of amendments to make that involved providing an expansion of the lead designer's comments about this future update, so we need to hold the notes until tomorrow.
Note these key words. Don't be upset if there's no big download tomorrow with the changes that are being discussed. (I can tell by some of the posts that that's what some are expecting.)