found something in bettletun

agk512

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found something interesting in the description for Bettletun. I dunno if this has already been discussed or not because i haven't kept up with the forums. heres what it says

"Historians speculate that in time out of mind, these now-ruined watchtowers guarded Kryta from some unknown northern threat. Now the crumbled towers stand like ancient stone soldiers now awaiting the arrival of that mysterious enemy from across the great saltwater lake called the Giant's Basin."

Now we are going to take a look at the timeline for Tyria.

10,000 BE - Last sign of Giganticus Lupicus (the giants) walking on Tyrian continent (best guess)

I dunno about u guys, but i think that this unknown northern threat, from across the great saltwater lake called the giant's basin, could possibly be the giants, who possibly could be where the next chapter of guild wars might take us.

now if this has already been discussed, please don't get mad at me.
but if it hasn't then go and discuss

Guildmaster Cain

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Well I knew it, and it has been mentioned before I guess, but theres not much more to say about it.

divinechancellor

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Check out the wiki page for it. It has some notes on your findings too.

Kuldebar Valiturus

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I had read an assertion that these watch towers were related to the lost race of Giganticus Lupicus but that was long before humans entered into established history.

I would venture a guess that the Eyes of the North are perhaps the ancient opposition to these "eyes of the south".

Mitchel

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuldebar Valiturus
I had read an assertion that these watch towers were related to the lost race of Giganticus Lupicus but that was long before humans entered into established history.

I would venture a guess that the Eyes of the North are perhaps the ancient opposition to these "eyes of the south".
Perhaps these Eyes ARE the Watchtowers. /claims cookie.

Canadian Bacon

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Originally Posted by Kuldebar Valiturus

I would venture a guess that the Eyes of the North are perhaps the ancient opposition to these "eyes of the south".
That's what I said in another thread.

Lexzl

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Hm... Perhaps they weren't giants at all. Maybe Giant was simply an exaggeration of the immense power one held at that time. Another way of stating they were Guardians.

With that in mind, maybe Gwen is the "Eye of the North" and she is inherently a guardian. Implying there was an eye of the south, east and west.

I say all this because I still believe the threat from the north was quite simply Charr and they themselves were aiming to fulfill the flameseekers prophecy. (where did the Lich come from anyway? he could be the threat for all I know)

Feme Assassin

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1st. Nice find

2nd. It has been discussed b4 both here and in gwonline I my self had made some theories about giganticus search a bit in the lore and you will find em

3rd. all the threads are pointless now the story will end the world will be destroyed the end is coming. With gwen the story will end we already know what will happen and who the villain is

Feme Assassin

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Greece

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Originally Posted by Lexzl

I say all this because I still believe the threat from the north was quite simply Charr and they themselves were aiming to fulfill the flameseekers prophecy. (where did the Lich come from anyway? he could be the threat for all I know)

The lich is the counciliery of the king of orr(back in the time when the kingdom was still on the surface of the ocean)when the charrs made it to orr the vizer(lich)was tricked by a demon a servant of abbaddon himself and casted an ancient spell which he thought it will save orr but it didnt and it shrank it to the bottom of the ocean the vizier was the only who ''survived'' and he is the person who fullfilled the flameseeker proffecies

Samurai-JM

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Giganticus Lupicus could just be the Norn. They have already been named as a race of "Half Giants". But yea this topic of the giants, the giants basin, and the watchtowers has been discussed in depth, right down the the different species of giants. Check earlier posts on it, they even have every location of the skeletons.

Kuldebar Valiturus

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The official chronology specifically says:

10,000 BE Last signs of Giganticus Lupicus (the Great Giants) on Tyrian continent (best guess).

And the name is pretty specific. I wouldn't be shocked if Norns are descendants of the Great Giants in one fashion, or another.

Quote:
The Norns are a race of shape-shifting half-giants who dwell in the Far Shiverpeaks.

Guardian Rohan

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oh this is a pretty cool find...imma check this out for myself

if the towers were waiting for giants or something...
you think they were waiting for that one thing in my pants?

Onarik Amrak

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Guardian Rohan
oh this is a pretty cool find...imma check this out for myself

if the towers were waiting for giants or something...
you think they were waiting for that one thing in my pants?
No, I don't think the towers are brothels.

Raziel The Torment@

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Feme Assassin
The lich is the counciliery of the king of orr(back in the time when the kingdom was still on the surface of the ocean)when the charrs made it to orr the vizer(lich)was tricked by a demon a servant of abbaddon himself and casted an ancient spell which he thought it will save orr but it didnt and it shrank it to the bottom of the ocean the vizier was the only who ''survived'' and he is the person who fullfilled the flameseeker proffecies
Lich is vizier kilbron...and also he was a FOLLOWER of abaddon, he was not tricked...i beleive he purposely destroyed orr by the orders of abaddon, then use an undead army to get the scepter of orr from the chosen, open the door of komalie, release the titans and wipe the mursaat out (mainly), then try and conquer all of tyira, for he knows he is the flameseeker.

/catchbreath. Phew! now that it has been explained, we can carry on :P

I think that the Giganticus Lupicus walking on tyrian CONTINENT could explain that they were most probably yetis, or the living versions of the grey giants....ever thought of that?

Sophitia Leafblade

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raziel The Torment@
Lich is vizier kilbron...and also he was a FOLLOWER of abaddon, he was not tricked...i beleive he purposely destroyed orr by the orders of abaddon, then use an undead army to get the scepter of orr from the chosen, open the door of komalie, release the titans and wipe the mursaat out (mainly), then try and conquer all of tyira, for he knows he is the flameseeker.

/catchbreath. Phew! now that it has been explained, we can carry on :P

I think that the Giganticus Lupicus walking on tyrian CONTINENT could explain that they were most probably yetis, or the living versions of the grey giants....ever thought of that?
The Great giants are bigger than the Yetis etc. since they arnt the giants from Kryta etc. Note the key words "walking on tryia" could mean many things.

The Vizier was corrupted into becomign a follower of Abaddon by one of his own aides (see the quests in RoT for details) he wasnt always a follower. Once long before the Catalcysm he was a great wize man. He was forced into corruption much like Shiro did bit by bit.

Soul of the Scythe

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both the Lich/Vizier Khilbron and Shiro were tricked by Abbadon. As Sophitia said, it is explained in some Realm of Torment Quests.(Escape from the Torment and Bad Fortune) Terick/Razakel tricked the Vizier into causing the Cataclysm and The Fortune Teller who tricked Shiro into murdering the Emperor was an agent of Abbadon as well.

Alex the Great

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Originally Posted by Mitchel
Perhaps these Eyes ARE the Watchtowers. /claims cookie.



I bestow upon you +10 wisdom points


nice thinking

Ice Of Dragons

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You can bet it has to do something whit the GW : EN story because
Anet has done the whole story from Prof to GW : EN that you can
find hints for the next part

Str0b0

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Samurai-JM
Giganticus Lupicus could just be the Norn. They have already been named as a race of "Half Giants". But yea this topic of the giants, the giants basin, and the watchtowers has been discussed in depth, right down the the different species of giants. Check earlier posts on it, they even have every location of the skeletons.
I'm not sure if this can be confirmed with concept art but aren't the Norn sort of bestial looking? I find the pseudo Latin nomenclature of the "scientific" name for the giants somewhat telling. Giganticus=Really Big obviously. Lupicus reads very close to wolflike to me. Technically it would be Lupinus but it's not like the "scientific" name is all that accurate. I've read it listed as Great Giants for a translation and while I know Tyrian nomenclature doesn't have to conform to any known language Giganticus Majorus or Giganticus Rex would likely be more appropriate for a Great Giant. Just my thoughts

drakun01

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Just to put this out there, since Norns are shapeshifters with some possible relation to Giganticus Lupicus, which is very similar to Lupinus (latin for wolf) could the Norns be werewolves as well?

Jwh6913

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Giant wolves?

crucifix

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The only thing that doesn't quite add up is the placing of GW:EN. Why underground? why not farther north, past the shiverpeaks? It would definetly fit with the chronology of the lore. My best guess is that the underground setting is either a) a place that the developers havnt set a primary chapter yet (continental land masses for prophs and NF, oceans on the luxon side of factions... it just seems logical that a cave setting would be the last explored setting for the game.. unless we end up in space) b) a passage to the north, or c) the exile for said original giants.

Master Sword Keeper

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Actually everyone here is right.

Starting from the beginning the Flameseeker prophecies is based from Prophecies right through to nightfall.

Prophecies and Nightfall are conjoined by war with the forgotten and the mantle. At this time...Factions was a simutanious chapter going on the same time as the Flameseeker wars. But in the end, Lich and Shiro ended up in torment controlled by abaddon, after abaddon was destroyed thus ending the flameseeker prophecies. Also ending the Flameseeker Trilogy known as

Guild Wars 1.

EoTN will or mostly be another chapter inserted into the original game during or before the rise and fall of ascalon, but many have said. We'll just to wait and see. I think everything in the game points to the new Guild Wars game. Take Sorrow's Furnace. Dredge that appear in Factions also are native in ORO. Just thinking of this new title is getting me excited. Can't wait to play.

Free Runner

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Originally Posted by Master Sword Keeper
Prophecies and Nightfall are conjoined by war with the forgotten and the mantle. At this time...Factions was a simutanious chapter going on the same time as the Flameseeker wars.
Not exactly. Cynn near the end of Factions does give out a line about being on the Ring Of Fire Islands. Since they all made their journey with the Heros its not possible they could of been there before Ascalon had been destroyed. My theory is that when the Heros were on the Fire Islands,the students of Shing Jea Monestary had began their training.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Sword Keeper
EoTN will or mostly be another chapter inserted into the original game during or before the rise and fall of ascalon, but many have said. We'll just to wait and see. I think everything in the game points to the new Guild Wars game. Take Sorrow's Furnace. Dredge that appear in Factions also are native in ORO. Just thinking of this new title is getting me excited. Can't wait to play
On the Guild Wars Website it does throw out that Abaddon has been defeated making EotN happen some years after the events of Nightfall.This would make more sense than it sloting into the original Prophecies chapter since for example Gwen looks to be in her late teens in EotN whereas she is about 9-11 or 10-12 in Prophecies

Neurotox

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Str0b0
I'm not sure if this can be confirmed with concept art but aren't the Norn sort of bestial looking? I find the pseudo Latin nomenclature of the "scientific" name for the giants somewhat telling. Giganticus=Really Big obviously. Lupicus reads very close to wolflike to me. Technically it would be Lupinus but it's not like the "scientific" name is all that accurate. I've read it listed as Great Giants for a translation and while I know Tyrian nomenclature doesn't have to conform to any known language Giganticus Majorus or Giganticus Rex would likely be more appropriate for a Great Giant. Just my thoughts
Reading this post and the posts after it, I kept thinking of this picture:

http://guildwars.com/press/releases/eyeofthenorthgw2/

Looks like a "Gigantic Lupine" to me... Norn?