Need Feedback for adding cigarettes to the game.

That is why I said "to a certain extent" for I knew I could not cover all the possible scenarios.

I would have signed for a smoking emote. I go AFK for a smoke and I'd love to have something to represent that.

But, since everyone else downs it and says it encourages bad behavour(sp?)....let all things be equal.

Get rid of drinking, especially absinthe as that does contain illegal substances.

Get rid of violence too our kids are impressionable after all.

Dress all of the women in black robes so that we can only see their eyes while you're at it.

Point being, yes, smoking is bad for you, but so is getting fire thrown at you, or getting swung at with a sword. The game already encourages eating of sweets. Death rates in the US put Tobacco and Poor Diet/exercise almost neck a neck at around 400,000(year 2000, in a 2005 AMA report)

Robert A Heinlen -The moon is a harsh mistress

"Must be a yearning deep in human heart to stop other people from doing as they please. Rules, laws—always for other fellow. A murky part of us, something we had before we came down out of trees, and failed to shuck when we stood up. Because not one of those people said: “Please pass this so that I won’t be able to do something I know I should stop.” Nyet, tovarishchee, was always something they hated to see neighbors doing. Stop them “for their own good”—not because speaker claimed to be harmed by it."

Some people just can't stand to see others having a good time, imo, and that will never change.
Sad, really.

Your whole post is stupid... absinthe does NOT contain illegal substaces ANYMORE now, just had to say it... ah maybe you live in 18th century...
And I have to oppose the cigarette idea cause cigarette is bad for your health, only dumb people are smoking (sorry it's true, try to stop smoking )
But alcohol is NOT bad for health if you drink moderately. Ok, ingame we actually can get totally drunk, but it's a good thing to get drunk sometimes even irl.

/notsigned,

smoking is disgusting.

Nope... it's not the same.

There are boxing and karate, and many fighting sports. That's not violence. It's 'adrenaline'. Sports are good. Have you noticed that there is not blood in the game, just sparks and such?

Human body is precious, both male and female. It should be shown, not hidden.

And moderate drinking is good for you, in moderate. Part of the Mediterranean diet, is one vase of wine or a beer a day. And its GOOD, and it's proved it's good. For the heart, and overall health.
Absinthe is only illegal in some countries and few states of USA, not all of them... and that's a bit silly... but many american laws and prohibitions are silly, like having to wear glasses but not requiring helmet while riding a bike... (yup, "the glasses would save our life..." geez...)
There are huge lists with absurd laws and legal flaws... forbidding absinthe is one of them, it's proven that absinthe is not really toxic at all, its proven that toyones in absinthe do not cause allocinations.

Sweets are needed for the brain, the more you use the brain, the more sugar it consumes, so sweets are good.

But smoking is no good, never, ever, no way. No excuse. No way. They do not relax. Cancer sticks. Story ends. Forget it.
You want to smoke? Type /AFK, exit your house and go out do that wicked thing, but don't force other to see that.

Sports such as boxing are still violence...just socially excepted forms.
It's ALL violence.
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/violence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absinthe
Some sales of absinthe in the US are legal, some of those have no thujone, some have trace amounts. Absinthe with high levels of thujone are still illegal in the US.
Read that wiki and tell me where it states thujone is not toxic at all, I seem to have missed it, or list another credible source.
I did see this part:
"Wormwood extract can cause renal failure and death due to excessive amounts of thujone, which in large quantities acts as a convulsive neurotoxin."

If you're telling me moderate drinking is good for even the youngest players of GW......well, I don't believe the laws(the non-stupid ones) even permit such a study. GW encourages heavy drinking anyways, the lowest title is "drunkard", FFS.

One could argue that alcohol, even in moderation is bad for you. It does make your liver and other assorted organs work harder.

One cigarette a day is no worse than one alcoholic drink per day.
Try drinking 20-40 alcoholic drinks a day, every day, and see if you die sooner than you would smoking 20-40 cigarettes a day.

Anything can kill you if you don't use moderation, you can die from drinking too much water(as happened fairly recently at some competition).

Smoking doesn't guarantee catastrophic lung failure, it increases your risks of many diseases, same as drinking, or even eating.(And a note on all statictial studies...absolutely no one dies of old age any more. If I die at 104 years old, it's going to be due to excessive tobacco and alcohol use, you watch....)
Smoking is a danger, so are cheeseburgers, martini's, crossing the street, and swinging swords at other people.


*edit, I didn't finish the below idea
Besides all the arguments above(which aren't really related), this whole argument of video games influencing people's behavior is retarted, same bad rap that D&D got years ago, and even the backwards record playing causing murders.....They were all put to bed long ago. We have ESRB. Make the game then label it appropriately, not the other way around. Parents, control your kids, don't let the TV and video games do it for you.


F'n Silly.

The wizard guy in lord of the rings(I'm not a LotR nerd, sue me) had a freaking pipe, I want one too.

/signed

Smoking is annoying and it doesn't have any place in the game. I would like to suggest alcohol be removed as well, but that's another thread.

Anyways, /notsigned.

Why would any company that produces games for kids even think about adding cigarettes to the game? Just think of the parents who would refuse to buy guildwars for there kids because of this.

Hmm you might be on to something here. Add cigarettes to the game = less kids playing it and a more mature community as a result. I'm down with that. Just makes me picture the whole guildwars community coughing lol. Need to add a cough emote and we're set!

/signed to age the community

if you need a smoke that bad do so in real life.

I'm in the united kingdom and its going to ban smoking in public areas in april also having smoking in game could well encurage it. ;P drunkard ftw

and also there is already a /cough emote

/notsigned

thanks!

/not signed

dumb idea..

Ok guys thanks for all your feedback. I'm really only looking for opinions now about how it should be implemented. It's a given that many people don't want smoking in the game so thanks for your feedback and please no trolling. If all your going to say is a one liner or rehash whats been said please restrain. If you have a good opinion on how to add it please do share.

Now currently people are going more along the lines of pipes, while I would prefer tobacco rolls if more people respond with liking than that will have to be my recommendation. If some people want the tobacco rolls than maybe both could be added?

Also, according to the ESRB there are 83 rated games with both alcohol and tobacco use and an additional 15 with only tobacco use...so adding this to guildwars is not breaking some magic taboo, its been done many times is acceptable and most titles with it are rated 6+ to 13+ age requirement.

Honestly, I didn't expect such a huge shock about pixels of tobacco given the alcohol and violence, but you learn something new.

I'm especially in need of more title ideas, and emotes please.

I'm not really a big fan for this one either...
/not signed

/not signed... retarded idea.

OK everyone, regardless of your personal feelings on the matter, this is a 'suggestion' in a 'suggestion forum'. This is not the thread to debate fantasy vs. reality or what is considered detrimental to various people. There are threads for that in Riverside if I remember correctly. Please return to the topic of agreeing or disagreeing with the suggestion and your suggestions of improving or disapproving of it.

MIE CHYELDZ R LEARNIK 2 SMOWK DHRUGZ FROM VIEOW GAYMEZ

/notsigned

I like the idea of pipes, it makes it rather simple. You buy a pipe from a merchant, and [Tobacco substance thing] as well. You double-click on the Tobacco and then click on the pipe to smoke. That way, its slightly more complicated than alcohol etc, but better than having a pipe be an equipped item. ('I'm wielding a pipe.' heh.)

But if you really want tobacco rolls, it could be done so that you can 'craft' them. You would take 1 roll of parchment, and [Tobacco substance thing] and go to a special crafter and have tobacco rolls made. Then they would work the same way as sweets.

Honestly though, I'd almost rather have a marijuana-ish thing for smoking..the visual effects would be cool.

I'd be happy with a /pipe emote.

Standing up, one hand holding pipe in mouth, other hand holding the elbow of the pipe holding arm.

Occasional puffs of smoke coming up from the pipe.

Pretty simple.
I don't think there should be a title or items that need to be aquired.

I can see the anti-rolled tobacco argument, pipes are more fitting to the genre, LOTR as a reference.

..this idea is pretty stupid...

This is a bad suggestion, one it promotes something our children do not need to start, smoking. If you smoke great thats your life dont screw up someone elses. as far as drinking title, we can lose that easily, I dont think it should be in game either. Alcohol is just as bad if not worse than smoking. Besides if they add smoking some ass hat will want Crack or Meth or some other useless drug added to the game. Do you thing in real life leave the game a game.

~the rat~

It's not going to be added, you've got pretty much 95% of the community against you.

I'm wondering why this thread hasn't been closed yet...

Only 95%? Looked like about 99% to me.

I can't stand people when they decide to go smoke, the last thing I want is to see people doing in a game.

Also, you want our opinions, and we are giving them to you. Obviously just about everyone who has posted in this thread has expressed their dislike for the idea, and if Anet sees this they will assume the community doesn't want it. Yes, it's possible (as technologically possible) with a few minor additions, but that doesn't mean Anet is going to put it in.

Also, drinking is a much more social activity than smoking is. As stated before, when something good happens and you want to celebrate with friends, you go get a drink. But you don't go smoke with them unless it happens to happen at the same time your urge kicks in. And ale fits in much better with the context of the game than smoking. You hear about a dwarf in a fantasy setting, one thing you would imagine is them at a pub getting a drink, not in the back alley smoking tobacco/weed/etc.

Overall, bad idea /notsignedinamillionyears

ditto here, obviously the mods have seen it.

Title 1: Smokers Lung
Title 2: Lung Cancer
Title 3: Emphezema

I find alcohol more acceptable than smoking. Seeing as how I don't know of any disease that alcohol causes (alcoholism is not a disease, on a 60 minute special or something like that, there was a show on how the people able to quick drugs were people who chose to do it themselves, and not people who got professional help which leads me to believe addiction doesn't exhist and it is only an excuse.) In a way I don't believe alcohol kills people, drunk driving: yeah it kills people, but if the people were responsible enough to get a sober driver in advance then they would prevent the whole thing.

Smoking on the other hand does cause disease, known to have upwards of 20-30 carcinogens in it. No smoking in game, even if it doesn't influence the younger players. It is just plain stupid.

Lets add pot, crack, maybe some morphine and how about shrooms. That is the request if this one becomes accepted.

Yes, the mods have seen it. And while it is not a popular suggestion, that in itself is not a reason to close a thread. However, continuing to post spam and off-topic conversations after having been warned is.

Closed.