Clearing up misconceptions

Yes, I've read the article. No, I won't post any pictures or direct quotes, but I can say this:

1) The article emphasizes, over and over again (to the point of absurdity!), that there will be no monthly fee, or hidden fees. They even talk about how no one believes them when they say it! There will *not* be a monthly fee for GW2.

2) Some people are seriously confusing GW:EN with GW2. For example, Gwen appears in GW:EN, not GW2. Gwen, by the way, is dressed in a green outfit with Mesmer overtones; I doubt she's become a fire ele.

3) ANet states emphatically that they know some people will stay with GW1, and they will support GW1 past the opening of GW2. This includes the release of GW:EN *and* additional events and updates. So all the sackcloth-and-ashes stuff about GW1 "dying" is nonsense.

4) The new races will be NPCs in GW:EN and player characters in GW2. In GW2, they will have racial traits, so a Norn will be different from a Sylvari. No news about professions; my *GUESS* is they will revert to the original six classes in general. I'd prefer a classless system, but hey...

5) Instances have *not* gone away; however, the world will be persistent in some fashion. The article notes that ANet intends to avoid the kill camping/loot stealing problem, though it is unspecific as to how. At this juncture, I suspect ANet is still experimenting.

6) Richard Garriott's recent "clarification" (see the front page of Guild Wars Guru) is, in fact, a reaction to the PCGamer article, wherein they attribute certain statements to him. Garriott has disavowed such statements, and I suspect a PCGamer reporter took something out of context. Garriott has always been a strong supporter of Guild Wars in the interviews he's given.

As a programmer with some experience in the gaming field, I understand what ANet is doing. It may very well be that many of the features people are begging for CANNOT BE IMPLEMENTED in the current engine. Adding a Z-axis, for example, means a major rewrite of the engine and significant changes to game balance and design. It may sound easy to do "X", but if you haven't written 100k-line programs, you probably have no idea of the complexities involved.

I *STRONGLY* urge people to read the PCGamer article before wildly speculating and posting rants that have no basis in fact. Of course, the nay-sayers and doom-seekers will continue to see the negative in everything, so I'm probably wasting my time here...

This should be stickied.

You are just amazing.

I guess I'm starting to feel a little more at ease with this big news. Not just because of this thread, but I just found out too much too fast and it needed to settle.

"I *STRONGLY* urge people to read the PCGamer article before wildly speculating and posting rants that have no basis in fact. Of course, the nay-sayers and doom-seekers will continue to see the negative in everything, so I'm probably wasting my time here..."

Exactly because when people read the articles and comment on something’s the rest of the forum readers don't know the context of said things. So all the doom & gloom threads appear along with all the other wild threads/post.

Agreed, should be sticked. On a lighter note, Gwen could have become a Me/E fast casting nuker.

Nice summary;
This should clarify many of the things the "doom-seekers" are going on about sadly you are right and I doubt it will, the ones who want to fly off half cocked start screaming "You're making it into WoW and ZOMG GWs is DEAD /uninstall" do this about everything before they have much if any info about it at all.

I was rather impressed with the entire article and think the Dev's are doing the makeover for all the right reasons.

Peace

Coyote; I read the article elsewhere *don't have the mag yet* any chance I can get you to email me scans of the article on Hellgate:London that is in there? I'll make it worth your time.

Sticky is needed to get rid of some of the current confusion.
Good summary. Good clarification.

Thank you!

/signed (to sticky)

All right, this has also been integrated into the PC Gamer post so I don't think a sticky will be necessary. Thanks ChaoticCoyote. If people will actually bother to read the entire post of course

Yeah, I think that goes for you, me, and 99% of the Guild Wars community. Change is scary. We were all going off of bits and pieces of information that was who knows how true. There is a lot of info to digest in the PC gamer magazine, but once ya do it isn't so bad. I'm really looking forward to everything! If you are one of those people that aren't, well you have a few years to get ready. Not like it's going to be an over night thing. Personally, I can't wait to get GW:EN!! I think it will be a nice transition into GW2.

The article states that they'll be able to do things with GW1 that they "couldn't do before" - from a business standpoint I assume. The "new sunspear skills" with the hard mode update will be the first time we've ever gotten free new skills, ever.

Can't be sure about the actual level of support beyond Chapter 4, that's what a number of people are freaking out about. It would be kind of interesting if the two dev teams have forked off completely - one supporting GW, the other GW2.


Claim no new classes in chapter 4; it has been heavily implied by Ms. Grey here that GW2 will have unique classes. It's painfully obvious, since the Norns are magical shapeshifting were(care)bears.

Gosh, I sure wish someone would have taken 5 seconds to paraphrase the Hellgate article....

THanks for taking your time to clear that up.
Anyone else think that EotN will be released on the same date that Surrows Furnace released since it is the first time we learned of the GREAT DESTROYER?

Thank you. This is an incredibly valuable post, and your insight and advice is both accurate and deeply appreciated! *two thumbs up*

I wonder what she'll say if you give her Lady Althea's ashes.............

Its obvious thats why she became a mesmer

I live in Brazil and the PcGamer here is completly different from this one.
How can i read it then?

Dammit, now I have to go get an extra set of ashes....

Chaotic: <Christian Cage>I love you...</Christian Cage>

Inde: You're right!

Give? hell, I'll sell her some.

Nice post Chaotic Coyote. Pretty much how I've been looking at it, even from just reading the tidbits and not the article. I refuse to get my panties in a twist over something that's a long way off and a good deal of testing between then and now. Besides, most of what I read makes me excited for the future of GW.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

*ahem* on a more serious note, I will just take it as it comes. I currently have no plans for GW 2, however distant it may be, though I'm considering GW:EN..at the very least to put my characters into retirement before trying a different realm....Maybe WoW though I have no Idea that it's like.

EDIT: edited quote to prevent miscontext quoting.

You are the man, ChaoticCoyote. I haven't read the article, yet, though I kinda assumed all of this that was in your post. I'm not the type to jump to conclusions, but if I do, it's usually based in reason. I trust that the people at Arenanet know what it takes to be successful, and their listening to the community is a huge part of that. GW2 seems like one giant "listening to the community" game, giving the larger portions of the community exactly what they want.

Though like you say, nothing will stop people from seeing the negative in everything, no matter how much the positive far outweighs it.

Safe to say you don't need to be a programmer to catch on to it.

I would, if it were out.

So true.

GW2 won't be released for about 2 years. Guess how long gw1 has been out for? About 2 years. We're only halfway there from the time gw came out on the first day. We're getting WAY ahead of ourselves here.

People make it seem like it's all coming to an end, but we're only HALFWAY THERE. Chill out, and just focus on hard mode for now.

We only just got over the winter, and now we have to wait another winter just for a little expansion, so I wouldn't worry about EOTN either.

Change is good, remember people? That's why you're with guild wars TO BEGIN WITH, otherwise you'd be WoWies.

WAY too much is being assumed so early. A lot of this is just a compilation of rough, unrefined ideas from ANET. Even if they GUARANTEED that all of these things were being implemented into GW2, I bet you under 30% of the game will be what you expected it to be when it comes out.

Right now, the only thing we know for sure is that a new guild wars is coming out. It will likely have better graphics. It will have something to do with Tyria. We think it will be situated in Tyria, but that, like almost everything else, may very well change in 2 years.

Your efforts aren't in vain. Just think of it as a gigantic update with a character wipe. It's not like you're playing an ENTIRELY new game. Guild wars is guild wars. If you're pro at gw1, then chances are you will learn and grow immensely quickly in gw2.

My point is, you're all so worried about change. Change has not happened yet. So play on.

OMGI Dahl get outta my head this is precisely what I was jus t saying on the other thread lol

qft

So this means we're going back to 6 professions?! Ugh how could you do this to me Anet?! Even WoW has 9 classes!

Just kidding and teasing Gaile

I really shouldn't enjoy reading complaints as much as I do. The only valid complaint I can see people having is if they expected more campaigns out of GW1, but so much of the speculation and flames about potential changes is GW2 is ridiculous since much of the game is probably still in planning. It might be nice to see another expansion for GW1 after GW:EN, but before GW2 (which probably would depend on the sales of GW:EN, but I hope it's at least considered). And of course most people still haven't read the PC Gamer article. I haven't yet, but I'm always optimistic when it comes to Guild Wars.

Finally someone who notes that it's NOT very easy to make some changes.

I like the way ANet is handling GW2, and I especially love the concept of World vs World battles.

Though this is what you'll hear a lot:

"OMG NOOBS, DON'T KILL THE DRAGON, DON'T KILL IT NOOBS, THIEVES GIVE BETTER ITEMS!!!111"

I second/third/whatever the request to get this sticky-ed. Great post, Coyote! <3
(I read the article, and I giggle quite a bit about the things some people who haven't read it make up. It's even worse here where I live, since we only have the english source so far and some people's English is so bad that they are still arguing over whether Sylvari, Norns and others will be playable in GWEN or not. It's hilarious.)

Well, it's funny but it can be forgiven given their lack of understanding.

The bunch of QQers who can't stop moaning all over the threads as if their life was dependant on GW, as if their characters were the preservation of their oh so highly-spiritual soul - I am betting that more than 80% of them will get GW2 anyway. Their outscreams are a sure sign of a addicted mind.

GW2 is 2 years ahead, the BETA didn't even start yet, there's a lot to be changed, most concepts yet to be revealed, but no, hey, let's start whining about the new levelling system of which we have NO single clue or evidence.

Regarding free-movement control. Does anyone believe in a possible coexistence between moving freely and NON-autoattacks (shooting/hitting yourself?) Maybe that would be a too fundamental change in GW's system.

Would you like it?

Sure, but it still starts to be annoying when one half of the forum provides very good translation and the other half either ignores it or doesn't believe it (either because the article asys something they don't like or because it says something that contradics something they've made up. Not understanding something is fine, but being so ignorant? Oh well.

You mean that the character can walk around freely but not hurt himself (for example by falling off a cliff)? I think it's possible if there are, well, limits to free movement, and there are always at least some. *tilts head* I don't see the problem, but maybe I just don't get the question. I feel stupid. >.<

Are you trying to say that you want to kill yourself? :/ me confused

Haha, ok, that was a good one. No suicides planned at all. I was trying to describe a totally free movement-control where you'd have to click to perform a shoot or a slash, as in a shooter or hack'n slay like Rune contrary to the current autoattack-system.

Is it ok if I post a link to this page on the ""Guild Wars Reborn" thread?
It might help some people out a bit, in term of understanding what's been going on and what's going to happen. Y'know knock some senses into them.

I think the first post has already been quoted there somewhere on page 69, but it sure can't hurt to point it out again...

Nice summary ChaoticCoyote. Finally a thread to link to when yet another person on this forum is yelling: 'GW2=WoW' or 'GW is gonna die'.

Ah, that's what you mean, thanks for clearing this up! Well, I'd be in favour of keeping the current autoattack-system or modifying it slightly, but that might just be because I'm not a fan of shooters and the like. Can it work? If it's carefully/well done, pretty much everything can work, but I think as long as the focus is on using skills and such, it would be at least problematical.

TES: Oblivion might be the best example but that would definitely change the current system by a whole (change GW fundamentally), and I doubt that will happen. Let's wait and see.

I can see it now, hey Wammo I bet you 10 gold you can't jump off that cliff and survive only using Mending II

Personally i'm welcoming the change, granted i'm also worried but i'm not about to slag it off yet and by the sounds of it they're using some elemented from CoH / V which I think is no bad thing.

That is clearly a bet you would lose. Mending is basically another way of saying "invincible".

It used to be, now invincibility requires you to cast "restful breeze". If you want to win the bet you make sure the jump takes longer than 11 seconds.

Play more RA to find out the latest on invincimodes!

Meh i'll just cheat and teach the rocks, rend enchantments.

Best make sure the wammo hands the money to someone before jumping

But this is SOOOOOO true!!!

All of those "well that's it, /uninstall" kids are going to go home tonight, boot up their PC's and farm UW or FOW or Shiver or Trolls or whatever, just like they do everynight... LOL

I admit, I am a GW addict right now... Can't get enough, when I drive home from work every second in the traffic counts... lol, But I'm not gonna stop playing the game i love so much, just because I wont be able to play it in 3 years time... I mean, FFS, Come ON!!! lol... That's like saying, they replacing my MX5 with a new model next year, so what's the point in driving mine anymore???


hahahaha


Personally, it's too far in the future to bother me right now...