Aftermath of the free UW/FoW weekend ... I've changed my mind - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

GloryFox

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Good ol' USA, where everyone else wants to be

Now Plays World of Warcraft on Whisperwind

26 Mar 2007 at 20:44 - 41

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This weekend was very nice indeed. Another thing that would be nice would be to allow 7 heroes.

I agree,,

The major issue with FOW and UW is that there are real people "vocal minority" who actually want to quest in there and not farm. The entire weekend I could not find one group to quest with me. I personally like to explore and quest and was unable to do so because everyone else just wanted to farm it.

Most people who farm FOW and UW only do certain area's that leaves a lot to be explored and unseen. At least allow for henchmen and HERO’s at the same time.

ca_aok

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Xen of Onslaught

E/Me

26 Mar 2007 at 20:52 - 42

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Ecto and shard prices will plummet or the drop rate will be ridiculously low, lower than now, causing the prices to skyrocket. Either way, it will not be good for the economy.

Ecto prices experienced a net gain over the weekend (They were 9K at the trader right befre (I checked), and then went up to a steady 9.5K for the rest of the weekend except for the 15K spike. As for shard price drops... it only went down about 500g and was soon hovering around 3K again. Those are both perfectly reasonable price ranges.

This weekend gave me a chance to FoW with some friends from europe for once, which was the nice part.

Dark-NighT

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

Stygian Veil

Shoop Da Woop [Lolz]

N/Mo

26 Mar 2007 at 20:53 - 43

I verymuch agree on the idea of having free access when you have favor, and pay 1 K when you don't have favor.

I've been in UW before, back in the day those dying nightmares didn't popup so soon so i and my guildy could do 55/SS. this weekend i did a trappers team, got all the way upto the smites but damn trapping is boring, UW on itself is boring but ok the free access was really welcome. Shortly after that i just went FoW with an random team and we did really wel, got 3 shards in 15 minutes and did some quest, which after you could buy fow armor, that was a nice round.

I think that the UW and FoW could use a system like free when favor and 1k when not, cause it will encourage more people to go in, the droprate of ecto's and shards is good as it is, farmers don't care about the fee nor do they about the droprate, they go in anyway.

zara

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

everywhere and no where

Mo/

26 Mar 2007 at 20:55 - 44

I just liked being able to do UW/FoW from the International Districts. We were able to do UW as a guild while BSing on vent and having a good time. Now we won't be able to do it again.

tuna-fish_sushi

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

California

E/A

26 Mar 2007 at 20:57 - 45

The weekend was great the only problem was the shard drop rate sucked. I cleared all the shadows 10 times and only got 5 shards (me + hero) but i guess my hero got all the shards ><

ll Minx ll

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2007

Henge of Denravi

R/

26 Mar 2007 at 21:09 - 46

For once a chance to do it with guildies and friends from both US and EU servers so it was great.

So that favor controls access is in this case bad, as you can't play with friends worldwide.

I also agree that removing favor will take away the exotic "feel" of those areas.

For many players 1k is nothing, but for just as many, 1k is alot, if you stand around in temple at the american districts, you will see endless amounts of whining and insults towards europeans when they have favor. Yet when favor arrives or like now, free access, people whine about it.

There's PVP players, there's PvE players - those two will never go well, but as I said in an post in another thread. It is bad that PvE players should be dependant of PvP players, when the PvPers don't depend on PvE players in any way.

I'm fine with limited access to PvE areas, but then again, to be a bit more fair, let PvPers depend on PvE progress in some say.
I don't know HOW, but make it fair.

"My party went in and we got wiped after 2 seconds and I never went there gain" aint that to give up a BIT too easy?

This is best weekend ANet had so far in my opinion, because they removed the most controlled barrier for many many players.

widowdaballa

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

TeXaS

Xen of Onslaught [XoO] Xen Of Heroes Division

26 Mar 2007 at 21:24 - 47

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Originally Posted by ll Minx ll

For once a chance to do it with guildies and friends from both US and EU servers so it was great.

So that favor controls access is in this case bad, as you can't play with friends worldwide.

I also agree that removing favor will take away the exotic "feel" of those areas.

For many players 1k is nothing, but for just as many, 1k is alot, if you stand around in temple at the american districts, you will see endless amounts of whining and insults towards europeans when they have favor. Yet when favor arrives or like now, free access, people whine about it.

There's PVP players, there's PvE players - those two will never go well, but as I said in an post in another thread. It is bad that PvE players should be dependant of PvP players, when the PvPers don't depend on PvE players in any way.

I'm fine with limited access to PvE areas, but then again, to be a bit more fair, let PvPers depend on PvE progress in some way.
I don't know HOW, but make it fair.

This is best weekend ANet had so far in my opinion, because they removed the most controlled barrier for many many players.

This whole post! is QFT! no sarcasm

Hopefully A-net realizes that this hardly affected the economy, and if it does, so what? Do you really think ectos should hover around the 10k+ range while shards hover around the 4k+ range? Then why not make every other "RARE" material jump to a more "reasonable" "rare" material value? Yes, ectos and shards are used for the FoW armor, but if UW and FoW had unlimited access like this weekend(let's say free access every weekend or every other weekend). It would hopefully not only stop ecto from going past the 10k mark, and actually drop it to a more reasonable 7k value just like the gems. Shards I really have no problem with, they are at about a reasonable rate when they are at 3k. Perhaps 2k to get a bit closer to their shard cousins(jadeite and amber), while still remaining the rarer of the 3. But that's just me, trying to make this economy a bit more bareable.

Sir Skullcrasher

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

15 over 50 [Rare]

W/Mo

26 Mar 2007 at 21:25 - 48

Making UW/FoW 24/7 access would not only ruin or unbalance the economy but cheapen the effect of these places. If we allow peoples to go to UW/FoW anytime they wish than there is no points of fighting for favor to gain control of these places. But I have to agree about changing the favor system since majority of time US or Europe would held favors while conuntries like Japan, Taiwan, China and other regions are left out in the dark.

Firebaall

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

26 Mar 2007 at 21:49 - 49

Skull,

There is no point now in fighting for favour. PvP people don't play in Halls to win favour for the PvE folks. Most of them flat out don't care about what happens in the PvE world.

Also, the argument of free access "ruining" the economy is skewed. Ecto's are rare drops that don't fall from the sky like rain. They'll still be hard to come by. Those that get them in any large quantity are farmers, that don't care about the access price or favour (the heavy farmers have an account on both Euro and American servers anyways).

Retribution X

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Check behind you again.

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26 Mar 2007 at 21:51 - 50

How about Ecto and shards don't drop, and chests don't appear in FoW/UW if we don't have favor.

Doesn't effect the Economy, and is nice for those of us who just want to have fun in the UW.

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

26 Mar 2007 at 21:51 - 51

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Originally Posted by Robin_Anadri

My feeling is that they should change it from favor to having completed Hell's Precipace, and be available whenever you want it provided you meet that critera, like DOA is for NF people.

That is differnet as Elona still has The Chantry of Secrets where the UW and FoW are in Elona.DoA is just an Elite area much like Surrow Furnace is and those in Cantha.I am still in favour of the favour system as it was intended and if you want it bad enough go fight for it.

Sir Skullcrasher

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

15 over 50 [Rare]

W/Mo

26 Mar 2007 at 21:58 - 52

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Originally Posted by Firebaall

Skull,

There is no point now in fighting for favour. PvP people don't play in Halls to win favour for the PvE folks. Most of them flat out don't care about what happens in the PvE world.

Also, the argument of free access "ruining" the economy is skewed. Ecto's are rare drops that don't fall from the sky like rain. They'll still be hard to come by. Those that get them in any large quantity are farmers, that don't care about the access price or favour (the heavy farmers have an account on both Euro and American servers anyways).

I have to say you're right. Ectos and Shards is only good for fow armors and nothing else. It might be worth selling it if you got a stack of it but the drop-rate is so low that it's hard to get a stack.

Croco Clouds

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2007

Montreal, QC, Canada

Divine Illumination [LaZy]

E/A

26 Mar 2007 at 22:11 - 53

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Originally Posted by Retribution X

How about Ecto and shards don't drop, and chests don't appear in FoW/UW if we don't have favor.

Doesn't effect the Economy, and is nice for those of us who just want to have fun in the UW.

Absolutely not, the whole purpose of FoW and UW are ecto+shards+chests

90% of the players travel to Fow/UW are farmers

Dark-NighT

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

Stygian Veil

Shoop Da Woop [Lolz]

N/Mo

26 Mar 2007 at 22:39 - 54

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Originally Posted by Croco Clouds

Absolutely not, the whole purpose of FoW and UW are ecto+shards+chests

90% of the players travel to Fow/UW are farmers

Got that right, and so Anet could do everyone a favor by introducing Free when you have favor and 1 K if don't, simple it will attract more people to fow/uw and with that Players might get some more ecto's but think of all the people that want FoW armor but can't afford it with the current system, now if everyone was able to go in, the economy won't be so much affected because people will start buying more armor, thus the price of ecto's and shards would stay with current value.

The only real problem with this is the farmers, Anet could nerf some other skills for this but a month later in the game and there's a new way to farm, so my thought on this would be to nerf the drops after you've been in the UW for x many times a day, much like what many expierenced with the Elona reach farm, after a couple of times, or hours the loot started to become less then normal.

Series

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2006

26 Mar 2007 at 22:42 - 55

To people saying that we don't need it 24/7, I can guarantee you that you would think differently if you lived in Japan or Korea.

Yes, it might make ectos cheaper... but isn't that a good thing? Only the absurdly rich people use ectos as a form of currency... when the ecto market goes down, it's essentially taking thousands and thousands of gold away from them- deflation could be a good thing. Of course, most people probably wouldn't be effected too greatly anyway. Even those with ectos, as you probably have so much gold it doesn't matter.

So yeah. Allow 24/7 access please. Maybe make it cost a plat if you don't have favor. Who cares, really? "OMG I AM SO ANGRY THAT JAPANESE PEOPLE GET TO PLAY THIS AREA!" Does the Japanese playing a mission effect your life in any way? If it effects the economy, the economy is so broken anyway it surely wont make a difference in the long run.

Now all we need is Urgoz and the Deep open 24/7.

MMSDome

Raged Out

Join Date: Sep 2005

26 Mar 2007 at 22:49 - 56

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Originally Posted by Xenex Xclame

How about if you have favor its free?
I mean if your area has favor the gods are pleased with you , and don't really req a offering, cause your area has already rewarded the gods with a nice victory.

that there is a good idea i think. I dont think elite areas such as fow and uw should be free for everyone, the element of having favor should still be involved or else you may see FoW armor losing its value greatly.

Retribution X

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Check behind you again.

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26 Mar 2007 at 23:17 - 57

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Originally Posted by Croco Clouds

Absolutely not, the whole purpose of FoW and UW are ecto+shards+chests

90% of the players travel to Fow/UW are farmers

Um, What about having fun with my guildies?

So what if 90% of FoW/UW players are farmers. my idea would allow people who don't give crap about farming a way to go have fun in FoW/UW with guildies. You can farm when you've got favor.

The Legg

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

RAF Lyneham, UK

We Are Gozu ( Gozu )

N/Me

26 Mar 2007 at 23:27 - 58

agree completely with the OP. Did so many fow clearances this weekend with the guild and it was a great source of exp. Dont mind so much about farming for ecto and shards, sure make it so no ecto/shards or chests when not having favour, or more expensive when not having favour or any other system that is put inplace, but let us go down to fow and uw whenever we want.

plz plz plz

Clone

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

26 Mar 2007 at 23:43 - 59

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Originally Posted by Series

Free with favor, 1k without. That's the best solution IMO.

I'd vote that or 2k without, 1k with. Anything to get rid of the bloody PvP ties once and for all. But, I have this sinking feeling that access to these places will end up like the promised alternate access to the warren and the deep...

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The major issue with FOW and UW is that there are real people "vocal minority" who actually want to quest in there and not farm. The entire weekend I could not find one group to quest with me. I personally like to explore and quest and was unable to do so because everyone else just wanted to farm it.

Most people who farm FOW and UW only do certain area's that leaves a lot to be explored and unseen. At least allow for henchmen and HERO’s at the same time.

I can also agree with this. These places are among a few I've never cleared. I'd like to, but trying to organize this is just a pain.

Lord-UWR

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

Fiction We Live In [FaKe]

W/R

27 Mar 2007 at 00:51 - 60

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Originally Posted by Sk8tborderx

Some people (like myself) like to go and clear 100% of those areas quests included for fun. The loot is just a bonus, I find the quests fun and they give good xp, but since America barely has favor, I am not usually awake when we have favor, or I am not going to be up long enough to clear.

Well, I always go with guildies to clear, but usually PUG groups leave after it becomes to challenging or they get a few good loot.

Personally, the only reason to do UW is for ecto or other rare drops, since it is dead boring (55/SS FTW!!!). FoW is fun, and always more fun when clear.

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

27 Mar 2007 at 01:12 - 61

hm, dont like the idea of favor, but cant come up with a better one.
I personally dont care about fow armor (its buttttt ugly)...but my guildee and I had a great time trying to clear out uw--- we tried this a few weeks ago when it wasnt free....only difference was that we netted less this weekend. And after spending 10 hours there twice this weekend, I could have gotten better loot any place else.....and not much else to speak of.
I like the uw as its not an easy place, and there is tons to do there, just dont like having to redo the aaxtles everytime ....have been trying to get to the spawning pools. Getting ectos is just something for me to put into my storage.
Wish they would come up with a better idea than pve areas access based on a pvp outcome, thats just stupid.

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

27 Mar 2007 at 01:29 - 62

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Originally Posted by Series

Free with favor, 1k without. That's the best solution IMO.

I second the notion.

I have always felt is to be odd that they won't let you in.

Curse You

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

South Pole

The Magus Order

N/Mo

27 Mar 2007 at 02:57 - 63

I found the weekend showed me that opening UW and FoW would have very little effect on the prices of Ectos and Shards, which was surprising.

I frankly don't care when I see that some team has won the favor of the gods for my area. Maybe it's because I don't farm UW or FoW, but mostly it's because I know that most of the people who won that fight, couldn't care less about the fact that they can now get into UW and FoW. They'd much rather keep winning HoH and getting highly expensive loot out of that chest.

I think the whole favour system is outdated. It comes from a time when HoH could only be won by people who had made it through most of the Prophecies campaign. It is from a time before PvP characters, and as such, a time before PvP only players.

What if they had kept the only entrance to HoH in Tombs of the Primeval Kings and made it so that you could only get there via the campaign? I bet there would be many PvP only players complaining about how outdated the system is.

Anyhow, got off on a tangent. Mostly I feel that the weekend strengthened my belief in the separation of PvP from UW and FoW.

Xenex Xclame

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

DPX

R/

27 Mar 2007 at 03:20 - 64

I disagree on the part about people saying it while ruin the price of ecto/shards , to start i doubt it will that much, or at least in such a fast pace that it would be horrible, why do some that have found a way around the favor system and have gotten them selfs farm builds from wiki, be the only one that should profit from the price of ecto/shards.

If it does drop it will just make it a little easier for you to buy it, you dont have to spend your "lifesavings" on it.

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About FoW armor, yes this is the part i think might suffer the most if we get basically 24/7 access but entrance fee determined by favor,Its the entrance part that some people want fix is it not?Well who says the favor should't affect the Armor,don't understand?Ill explain.

If you dont have favor when you go in you cant make FoW armor.
We just make the FoW armor something that the gods reward your area with for the victory.

Kool Pajamas

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Maryland

Mage Elites [MAGE]

27 Mar 2007 at 04:59 - 65

The best part was being able to party with people in the international districts. My alliance is mixed of American/euro server so we dont get to go with each other usually.

I'm in favor of a increased price for when your region does not have favor, and keep the 1k fee for when you do have favor. Need to keep some type of gold sink.

Jongo River

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

27 Mar 2007 at 06:51 - 66

IMO, limiting access to these areas is the worst idea that has ever been implemented in GW. It sounds thrilling on paper, having to earn access to something special, but in practice it's highly irritating and one of the reasons I ignore the elite areas completely, outside of these bonus weekends.

The favour system isn't quite as bad as Factions - just being greeted by the l33t name of whatever group owns an outpost is a real atmosphere killer there, nevermind having to own the mission area to even play the mission.

Really bad ideas - get rid of them, please Anet!

Oh and I hate the "so and so has favour" text. It's confusing when I'm trying to keep track of what's actually relevent to me in PvE.

/end rant

Kali Magdalene

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

Washington

N/

27 Mar 2007 at 07:21 - 67

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Originally Posted by Sir Skullcrasher

Making UW/FoW 24/7 access would not only ruin or unbalance the economy but cheapen the effect of these places. If we allow peoples to go to UW/FoW anytime they wish than there is no points of fighting for favor to gain control of these places. But I have to agree about changing the favor system since majority of time US or Europe would held favors while conuntries like Japan, Taiwan, China and other regions are left out in the dark.

What frustrates me is that some of the people posting in this thread either fail or refuse to take a basic issue for UW/FoW access into account - I'm in an alliance that's made up of a fairly even mix of American and European players (or rather, players on American and European servers). My main barrier to getting into the UW or FoW isn't so much favor as it is the fact that I can't run with some of the people I'm accustomed to running with. My alliance leader and I can't run the UW together because he's Europe and I'm US.

That's why I'm not going to change my mind about FoW/UW access. I don't think it needs to be inherently special, or that limited access is necessary for it to be worthwhile. I think this barrier against international teams is a huge hindrance and needs to be lifted.

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

27 Mar 2007 at 07:30 - 68

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Originally Posted by Kali Magdalene

I don't think it needs to be inherently special, or that limited access is necessary for it to be worthwhile. I think this barrier against international teams is a huge hindrance and needs to be lifted.

Exactly. Why can't we all just get along!?

Vandal2k6

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

Manchester, UK

The Manchester Marauders

W/Rt

27 Mar 2007 at 07:42 - 69

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What about having luxon+kurzick decide the fate of favor? It changes so often, and it will make AB+Aspenwood, and maybe even Jade! more meaningful? Just a thought, don't bash to hard.

I think this is a superb idea!

Not only would it mean more people would have an affect on the favor, but it also means the ABs would be fuller and more meaningful. It would need to be adapted and minor things sorted out but I personally would prefer this to anything else. The main problem would be those without Factions not having a say, so maybe a core area like this so everyone gets a say.

Envious

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

13N/144E FoKai

27 Mar 2007 at 07:50 - 70

I enjoyed it while it lasted. Got a few ectos and thats that. A good event for the international players to get thier Obsidian armor since they rarely have favor(no wonder the price of ectos spiked to 15k at traders). And I really do think that this problem should be addressed, I can't even remember the last time when Japan, Korea, and Taiwan had a go at FoW/UW.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

27 Mar 2007 at 11:33 - 71

There's a lot of people here claiming that unlimited access would 'make things less special' or ruin something or other.

I call BS.

Before making such claims, consider that there's a whole continent sporting a huge player base that's had practically unlimited access for about a year. (As long as they don't play at very odd hours.)

How would extending this privilege to the rest of the world 'ruin' anything? Keep in mind that farmers from all over the world have long since set up second acounts in Europe to evade the restrictions of the Favor fiasco.

Davros Uitar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Fool Wolves

W/Mo

27 Mar 2007 at 15:20 - 72

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kali Magdalene

What frustrates me is that some of the people posting in this thread either fail or refuse to take a basic issue for UW/FoW access into account - I'm in an alliance that's made up of a fairly even mix of American and European players (or rather, players on American and European servers). My main barrier to getting into the UW or FoW isn't so much favor as it is the fact that I can't run with some of the people I'm accustomed to running with. My alliance leader and I can't run the UW together because he's Europe and I'm US.

That's why I'm not going to change my mind about FoW/UW access. I don't think it needs to be inherently special, or that limited access is necessary for it to be worthwhile. I think this barrier against international teams is a huge hindrance and needs to be lifted.

I missed the weekend event because of real life commitments, but reading through the replies this is the one I agree with the most. My guild is a small bunch of friends in Euro, Australia and US. We have a great time PVE'ing together, but cannot get into UW and FOW together without this sort of special event access. Sure we can do things seperately, but this is a guild game and something should be done to break down this barrier to guild playing.

That aside, I like the favour system, and I think I would prefer to see it stay. My solution would be to have this type of event repeated on a regular cycle. I think every 2 months is the sort of time frame that would give people enough opportunity to access the artea, without making it a flood that could impact too much on the game economy.

Archangel Xavier

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2007

New Orleans, Denver, Chicago all over

All your favorite bands suck

W/P

27 Mar 2007 at 15:32 - 73

I'm not as skilled as some in in HA (*laughs and then sighs*), but as a pvp player I think the idea of battling for favor adds a much needed element of significance to HA. During the weekend I didn't play Halls at all. I'm not sure if this was because I wanted to take advantage of free rift farming or if it was because I temporarily lost interest in Halls. Regardless of the reason I think free and constant favor for all regions would draw away from the already dwindling population of certain pvp areas. After some discussion with my friends we all agree that the lower fee would be nice, but that free for those with favor and a fee of 5-8k for those without would be fair.

Ferret

Elite Guru

Join Date: Jul 2005

England

Ferrets Unity of Rogues (FUR)

R/Mo

27 Mar 2007 at 16:03 - 74

This weekend didnt really have any effect on me, despite the free access, i still didnt go to either UW or FoW and imagine i was far from the only person. I was more interested in finishing Nightfall and hunting down Elonian treasures with a few of my characters.

On the most part, i dont think the majority wouldnt care if you could get in all the time or not, but at least it wouldnt cost you anything if you did decide to go and explore.

havok019

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2007

HdCr

W/Mo

27 Mar 2007 at 16:04 - 75

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haggard

You've been playing for more than 1.5 years and never explored either of the god realms? (until now, obviously)

What else is there to do between campaigns?

1-2 hours about 3-4 days a week. Do all the side quests for three campaigns, skill cap, Master/Bonus missions (over and over to get some right). Takes time, been busy.

gene terrodon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

Maryland/DC Area

Farmers Unite [FU]

W/

27 Mar 2007 at 16:18 - 76

Quote:

Originally Posted by ca_aok

Ecto prices experienced a net gain over the weekend (They were 9K at the trader right befre (I checked), and then went up to a steady 9.5K for the rest of the weekend except for the 15K spike. As for shard price drops... it only went down about 500g and was soon hovering around 3K again. Those are both perfectly reasonable price ranges.

This weekend gave me a chance to FoW with some friends from europe for once, which was the nice part.

The notion that a weekend of open access would mirror permanent open access when it comes to market value of unique items from those areas is incorrect, to say the least.

If you think prices would remain the same or even increase with open access, then your thinking is flawed.

Please, Please, PLEASE!

Stop calling a few forum posters "the masses."
The amount of posters in these forums are a small fraction of the GW community.
A perfect example is Party search feature...that the "masses" requested.
Well, if that were true, it would be used much more than it is now.

Bobrath...\/

Not even close to being true. All it is forecasting is the initial effect of the change.
Not the long term effect.
Simply supply and demand rules apply.
As supply increases, demand decreases.
With little to no demand, a rarity becomes a commodity and in turn, decreases in value.

With common knowledge that the supply spike would be temporary, the market did not shift much at all, hence the stable pricing during the weekend, before and after.

bobrath

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Texas

Scouts of Tyria

27 Mar 2007 at 16:27 - 77

No, but you can use it to forecast possible trends and movement.

Sir Skullcrasher

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

15 over 50 [Rare]

W/Mo

27 Mar 2007 at 16:37 - 78

I wonder if GW 2 will have a special area similar to UW/FoW and cost money and favor to get into?

Kali Magdalene

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

Washington

N/

27 Mar 2007 at 21:23 - 79

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Originally Posted by Archangel Xavier

I'm not as skilled as some in in HA (*laughs and then sighs*), but as a pvp player I think the idea of battling for favor adds a much needed element of significance to HA. During the weekend I didn't play Halls at all. I'm not sure if this was because I wanted to take advantage of free rift farming or if it was because I temporarily lost interest in Halls. Regardless of the reason I think free and constant favor for all regions would draw away from the already dwindling population of certain pvp areas. After some discussion with my friends we all agree that the lower fee would be nice, but that free for those with favor and a fee of 5-8k for those without would be fair.

I disagree - 5-8k would not be fair at all. 1k at most, if you want to ensure that favor has a reason.

Also, I do not believe the notion that removing favor from FoW/UW access requirements would cause the HA population to dwindle faster.

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Originally Posted by gene terrodon

The notion that a weekend of open access would mirror permanent open access when it comes to market value of unique items from those areas is incorrect, to say the least.

If you think prices would remain the same or even increase with open access, then your thinking is flawed.

And if the prices drop, so what?

Xenex Xclame

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

DPX

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27 Mar 2007 at 21:55 - 80

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Originally Posted by Kali Magdalene

I disagree - 5-8k would not be fair at all. 1k at most, if you want to ensure that favor has a reason.

So you want it to be cheap?
You do know that 1K divide by 8 people is 125G right?
8K divided by 8 people is 1K , which is nothing considering where it is. ( meaning a few minutes against the mobs outside and you got 1K)

The high price is just because of that, you WANT favor cause it will make you have to spend less,but you don't NEED it.