Problems With Attacking!!!!!!

dark_prince2023

dark_prince2023

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

W/Mo

Don't know if this has been answered yet but I'm having problems with my Prof W/Mo and attacking in Nightfall. I have a firery dragon sword with max dmg and 12 points in swordman but I only do dmg if I'm using skills all other times I hit for 0. This is happaning on alll nightfall baddies

Mr. Fahrenheit

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Does this even happen on Fanged Ibongas on Istan?

Kook~NBK~

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Natural Born Killaz

Even on the critters outside of Kamadan? Sounds like a bug to me. Try a different sword (might help) and report the problem to A-Net.

-.-

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I'm guessing you're using a shitty sword against those Kournan Dervishes with Armor of Sanctuary.

widowdaballa

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Once I accidentally put all my points into hammer mastery instead of axe mastery. lol That might be the case!

Seriously though, perhaps, someone correct me if i'm wrong, but if your weapon has a req of 13 swordsmanship, and you only have 12, it won't do the max damage because you didn't meet the requirement? Maybe that's the case.

Another thing is, in Nightfall, alot of enemies have good skills. Such as the Dervish(Armor of Sanctity as another poster said), ele(Stoneflesh Aura), etc.

dark_prince2023

dark_prince2023

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W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by -.-
I'm guessing you're using a shitty sword against those Kournan Dervishes with Armor of Sanctuary.
nope its a max dmg firey dragon sword of swordmanship and my attrabute points are in swordmanship and its aganist everything in Nightfall! My attributes for swordmanship is 13 and the req for the wep is 11!

Etta

Etta

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13 is to low for melee weapon, 15-16 is more exceptable. Dont spread out your attribute points to much, focus on 1 main skill be it sword, axe, hammer. And see if the enemy you're fighting have enchantment on them or someone hexed you.

In NF dervish, earth ele, prot monk, paragon and necro can cut down your dmg output, also condition such as weakness can affect your dmg as well.

Lastly you should have more than 1 main weapon, FDS is nice to look at but what would you do if you come across enemy with high armor VS element?
And by the way, what've you got on your skills bar?

dark_prince2023

dark_prince2023

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W/Mo

sorry for the misunderstanding but its not 13 attribute points its swordmanship at 13 swordmanship is maxed out plus 1 sorry for the mix up my skills do bout 45-90 or so dmg

Commander Ryker

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Could it be that you are attacking low level foes?

dark_prince2023

dark_prince2023

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W/Mo

no I'm not attacking low levels and if I was I should be doing way more then 0!

Commander Ryker

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oh yeah! I was thinking of exp. sorry

KANE OG

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A Wammo with a Fiery Dragon Sword..... there's something you don't see everyday.

Seitheach

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Maybe you could post a screenshot of you attacking in both Elona and another continent. Also, could you post your attributes, skills and weapon to clarify a lot for us?

Kuldebar Valiturus

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Doesn't the Strength attribute have a lot to do with warrior damage as well?

-.-

-.-

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuldebar Valiturus
Doesn't the Strength attribute have a lot to do with warrior damage as well?
Yes, but it only comes into play when an attack skill is used.

wetsparks

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Lots of enemy mobs cast weakness on you also, check for that along with the eles and dervishes that have armor boosting spells.

Stormlord Alex

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And even then... it's still a paltry amount.
At least Strength gives us Flail

Spartan117

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuldebar Valiturus
Doesn't the Strength attribute have a lot to do with warrior damage as well?
Yes strength has alot to do with a tanks ability to deal damage. It lets the warrior penitrate the enemy's armor. with low strength not much damage can be done, basicly the warrior's attacks would quotes "glance" off the armor of the enemy. so you pretty much want high strength to go with the other attributes.

Relambrien

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartan117
Yes strength has alot to do with a tanks ability to deal damage. It lets the warrior penitrate the enemy's armor. with low strength not much damage can be done, basicly the warrior's attacks would quotes "glance" off the armor of the enemy. so you pretty much want high strength to go with the other attributes.
I hope this guy is being sarcastic. This is what Strength does:

When an attack SKILL is used, you get armor penetration by a PERCENTAGE equivalent to your Strength attribute. So if you use an attack skill against a 60AL target with 9 Strength, the enemy gets 91% of their normal armor bonus, meaning 54.6AL. At 12 Strength, they get 88% of their armor bonus, meaning 52.8AL. It's still completely pathetic either way, with a change of less than 8 AL. Obviously it takes away more raw AL from higher-armor targets since it's a percentage, but even then it's nothing that spectacular.

Anyway, on the OP's problem. Please take a screenshot of you attacking one of the level 1 enemies outside of kamadan with your attribute window up. Post it on imageshack or something and link to it here. We'll be able to help you more if you do that.

What we specifically need to see in the screenshot:

Your Swordsmanship level
The amount of damage you're doing with your attack
The enemy you're attacking

If you could post a screenshot with your weapon's stats, that would be nice too.

Raiin Maker

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I have the same problem... Using Victo's.... Have 12 Axe mastery... if i am not using skills, i will usually hit 0 damage on mobs of my level... sometimes i hit 1 i think. Maybe the mobs just have very high amour? Thats what i thought but now i am not sure.

Sofonisba

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OK I hate to sound like I think you're stupid, but... are you sure the "-0"s floating upward are your damage or could they be the damage being done to you?




<--will sometimes be amazed for a split-second at her wanding damage, when in fact it's damage being done to her...

ss1986v2

ss1986v2

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartan117
Yes strength has alot to do with a tanks ability to deal damage. It lets the warrior penitrate the enemy's armor. with low strength not much damage can be done, basicly the warrior's attacks would quotes "glance" off the armor of the enemy. so you pretty much want high strength to go with the other attributes.
and this is why the PUG wammo is dead...

as for the OP, try posting some screens. my money is on either wrong attribute, but more likely you are attacking rangers with their high elemental armor and the earth eles that use stoneflesh. try smacking a mock and lets see what the number come up as.

Stormlord Alex

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartan117
Yes strength has alot to do with a tanks ability to deal damage. It lets the warrior penitrate the enemy's armor. with low strength not much damage can be done, basicly the warrior's attacks would quotes "glance" off the armor of the enemy. so you pretty much want high strength to go with the other attributes.
Actually, the 1% penetration on skills adds very little actual damage.
A quick test runs up:
16 Axe Mastery, customized 15^50 axe -
0 Strength Wild Blow deals 63 damage to an AL 60 target, and 31 damage on an AL 100 target.
Buffing Strength up to 10...
70 damage and 37 damage.

So, assuming you CRITICAL on an ATTACK SKILL, you'll do 7 more damage vs. squishies and 6 more damage on non-squishies.

You are much better maxing Weapon Mastery and a secondary attribute than trying to use Strength for damage. Strength is purely about the skills, as well as dumping spare points into.

A warrior with low Strength doesn't really deal much less damage than one with high Strength, it just means he's got other things to spend attribute points on.

And... let me re-iterate... Strength ONLY procs on attack SKILLS as opposed to every attack. So you'll do puny extra damage occasionally unless you happen to be a FGJ! Dragon Slasher... where you'll be able to do puny extra damage every attack.

dark_prince2023

dark_prince2023

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Join Date: Mar 2007

W/Mo

ok forget the question some people are not getting it and some are reading tooo much into it I have a MAX DMG SWORD from Profacies have MAX SWORDMANSHIP+1 have 6+1 Strength and I do more dmg with a low lv weapon from nightfall ok now don't read too much into it and I have no time to screenshot! And forget the skills there doint there dmg its all a question about why my Sword from a different place dosen't work. or maybe I should go to photics sence noone can answer the question and most are reading too much into it!

ss1986v2

ss1986v2

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Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by dark_prince2023
ok forget the question some people are not getting it and some are reading tooo much into it I have a MAX DMG SWORD from Profacies have MAX SWORDMANSHIP+1 have 6+1 Strength and I do more dmg with a low lv weapon from nightfall ok now don't read too much into it and I have no time to screenshot! And forget the skills there doint there dmg its all a question about why my Sword from a different place dosen't work. or maybe I should go to photics sence noone can answer the question and most are reading too much into it!
heres the problem: no one knows what the problem is, so no one can answer it. if everything you are saying is correct, then there should be no reason for what you say is happening to be happening. you have everyone here stumped unless we get more information.

we are asking deeper into things because from the information given, the results you are getting should not be happening.

moko

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Quote:
Originally Posted by dark_prince2023
ok forget the question some people are not getting it and some are reading tooo much into it I have a MAX DMG SWORD from Profacies have MAX SWORDMANSHIP+1 have 6+1 Strength and I do more dmg with a low lv weapon from nightfall ok now don't read too much into it and I have no time to screenshot! And forget the skills there doint there dmg its all a question about why my Sword from a different place dosen't work. or maybe I should go to photics sence noone can answer the question and most are reading too much into it!
HOW ABOUT YOU POST A FRIGGING SCREENSHOT OF YOUR K WINDOW, YOUR WEAPON AND THE MOBS YOU DEAL 0 DAMAGE TO? HUHUHUHUH?

dark_prince2023

dark_prince2023

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W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by ss1986v2
heres the problem: no one knows what the problem is, so no one can answer it. if everything you are saying is correct, then there should be no reason for what you say is happening to be happening. you have everyone here stumped unless we get more information.

we are asking deeper into things because from the information given, the results you are getting should not be happening.
yes but the things they are asking for don't affect anything they're good nothing is wrong with the skills dmg just when I attack reqularly and those are the attribut readings not how many points I used I'm lv 20 ascended and can only hurt stuff in prof for some reason was asking to see if anyone is having this problem I can do dmg but only if I change my wep with any other wep I picked up in nightfall don't play in factions so have no clues bout that area just asking cause I don't wana have to switch weps!

ss1986v2

ss1986v2

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Quote:
Originally Posted by dark_prince2023
yes but the things they are asking for don't affect anything they're good nothing is wrong with the skills dmg just when I attack reqularly and those are the attribut readings not how many points I used I'm lv 20 ascended and can only hurt stuff in prof for some reason was asking to see if anyone is having this problem I can do dmg but only if I change my wep with any other wep I picked up in nightfall don't play in factions so have no clues bout that area just asking cause I don't wana have to switch weps!
i understand. but i have never, ever heard of anything ever even remotely similar to what is happening with you. it simply shouldnt happen. a 15-22 sword should do the exact same dmg to any enemy of equal armor level (aside from skills/buffs used by the enemy) regardless of chapter.

that leaves two options: either this is some kind of new, never before seen, unheard of glitch that you are the first and only person to experience; or we are not getting all the info (level of enemies, class of enemies, skills used by enemy, all the mods of the weapon, ect...). the obvious one to question first would be the info issue, as its the much more likely issue. no one is discrediting what you have said, we just want all of the info before we cry broken game mechanics.

dark_prince2023

dark_prince2023

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W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mokone
HOW ABOUT YOU POST A FRIGGING SCREENSHOT OF YOUR K WINDOW, YOUR WEAPON AND THE MOBS YOU DEAL 0 DAMAGE TO? HUHUHUHUH?
I'm currently at work wich is the only time I can come on the forum and IT'S ALLL MOBS IN NIGHTFALL

dark_prince2023

dark_prince2023

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W/Mo

getting a screen shot tomarrow its going to be funny

Turaan Tolgerias

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are you attacking the mandragors with stoneflesh aura? My Tyrian warrior has none of the problems you are going on about.

Kuldebar Valiturus

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It's obviously the new anti-farm code, mobs become invincible after 3 consecutive forays into a zone. 0.O

Ya, once we see the screenshots, there might be something new to discuss.

Sofonisba

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dark prince, people ARE trying to help you. I realize you are frustrated, but please understand that no one on this forum is trying to actively frustrate you.

If you are indeed experiencing a glitch or bug that needs to be fixed, you'd need to send screenies to ANet anyway, so when people are asking for that--in response to you asking for help--it shouldn't be too much more work for you.

KANE OG

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Quote:
no one on this forum is trying to actively frustrate you.
I sure am, but what could I possibly due to frustrate a person who can't deal damage to his enemies except lmao.

KANE

Stiltzkin

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Aetna

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maybe since you are so frustrating ANET just decided to hate you.....


just do this, post a screen shot of you doing 0 dmg with the dragon sword, dmg with other swords, and your attribute list, then we actually might be able to help you.

Personally (this is what I would just do), if you are having so much frickin trouble with that sword, THEN SWITCH. It isn't that complicated. Even at that dmg with a sowrd isn't that great skills are deffinetaly better. Just stick with skills and don't fret over doing 0 dmg with your sword while just attacking.

Etta

Etta

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Well? where are the screen shots?

Spartan117

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Are the numbers red or yellow? Red is damage to you, yellow is damage delt (Im sure you already know that but its easy to be mistaken)

Master Ketsu

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This thread reeks of being a joke topic....

RPGmaniac

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If you're having problems with just the Kournans, probably what's happening is they're using [skill]"Stand Your Ground!"[/skill] or if it's just Mandragors, they're probably using [skill]Stoneflesh Aura[/skill].

Also, this is definatly starting to look like a joke thread, but if it isn't hope this helps a little bit.

Kuldebar Valiturus

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Jokes are really getting lame these days...sheesh.

Isn't there supposed to be like...a punchline?

More likely it was operator error, combat text misinterpretation, etc.