Paragons need some love

Im starting to have a lot of fun with the paragon but its some issues that needs to be fixed...:P (i mainly pvp/ra/ta/ab. pve para works ok)

Shields; paras need to have shields tied to their primary attribute !! most builds i run i dosent use command or motivation, but im forced to use 9 points in either to get the shield att max .. with a shield tied to leadership you atleast get the buff from leadership points and shouts that gives energy.

Skills; a lot of skills need to be buffed or atleast tweaked a bit.
f.ex energyzing finale.. 1 energy?? cant be right...
elites... well most elites sux, need better elites or boost of the existing ones....
Soldiers fury could be ok, but i find secondary skills like tigers fury to be better and those are not elites.
Song of power and aggresive refrain are good skills, but the 25 energy cost make em useless in pvp atleast.
need better interrupt skills, like one that disbles a skill for x seconds. and some kd would be nice too.

And most important off all.. boost a chant/shout whatever to remove hexes!!! para got no usefull hex removes.. Boost song of purications to remove hexes too.. its after all an elite..

... nobody cares bout paras?? .. oh well, took a year before ppl learned to play assasins & rits.. then they started to ask for buffs/nerfs..

well you need to dish this out more but yea i do agree with most parts of your post

I think you need more detail in your post.

I agree with the sheilds tied to Leadership.

EF is fine.

[skill=text]"Incoming!"[/skill], on the other hand...

Yeah, I personally think they are the worst class right now.

Paragons aren't too bad atm..decent physicals, spread conditions somewhat well, and 80++ al is nice. Btw, aggressive refrain is usable in pvp..you only really cast it once anyway. Anthem of flame is enough on its own to keep up Aggressive, and since there are only so many good para skills you almost always have AoF and maybe GftE. I don't think they need a lot of the buffs that the OP suggests.

Overall, I think Paragons are weak sauce.

Don't get me wrong, some of the skills appear to be quite nice, ones in the Command line, for instance. I am rethinking how I am going to play my Paragon, and I am leaning toward damage enhancement and away from heal chants, etc.

I have even been considering making my secondary profession a Ritualist so that I can use Splinter Weapon and other weapon spells.

I'd love for Spears to have a longer range than a shortbow, or if not that, a higher max damage.

I mean, you got a guy in 80 AL armor, he should be on the frontline dishing out damage, at least to my mind. Hanging back and shouting chants...meh.

I was wondering why Paras were given spears and the Dervs were given Scythes.

Can Paragons equip Runes of Absorption? Or are Warriors still the only class that get special treatment alongside high Armor?

The downside is that Paragons get stronger with more in a team, so giving them some amount of strength causes it to be abused in overly defensive degenerative builds.

One idea I had to fix it is the following:

Whenever a chant is called out to the team, all other team members' chants are disabled for 10 seconds. With this, they can buff all chants a great deal. The paragon becomes a boon to the team, but isn't abused when two or more co-exist.

Looking at Paragons now, having a copy of Light of Deliverance and a copy of "Charge!" in your team build will do more for your team than more anything a paragon can do defensively or tactically.

I think a good nerf would be for Paragon shouts to not affect other paragons...
It kinda makes sense as far as story goes as well, since paragons are supposed to be leaders, and leaders shouldn't be able to lead leaders...

Tee hee, para thumpers. Not sure why, but you see a lot of w/p spearchuckers in the arenas..weird.

I do agree that Paragons need shields with the leadership attribute. But I do find it necessary to have Motivation or Command in. So it's not the biggest issue but yeah...
Also, I have to agree with you on the elite skills.
As pointed out by Pueburt, "Incoming" like sucks... You guys must be able to remember when it used to be for 10 seconds before a giant nerf came in.
I can't really say anything about an interrupt... I think it should be left to rangers.
Then a non-elite hex remover might be nice....

Paragons were ment to assist the team. Play them that way. However, I do agree that the chants/songs/lyrics/etc. are rather weak... I mean come on, they only work for one time then they have to be recast. And they dont stack.

Ya, I see that that Paragons are supposed to be "a support class". But every other profession can play both sides of the the fence fairly well. <Well, err, how good are smiting Monks...?> But, I guess I am trying to buck the trend making my Paragon a ranged melee class, lol.

Can't link the shield to their primary attribute as that would make them too powerful ( HEY! don't laugh , bare with me.)

Warriors have Shields tied to Strength ( yes its their primary) and tactics, but you can't really make a warrior pure strength now can you?

You can however make a paragon full Leadership.

ranged melee is an oxymoron o.O

and no, not all the classes play both sides of the fence well at all.

Each class has a limited range...the most obvious is a monk trying to deal damage.

Don't care, my paraway work well! Already got 1000+ fame in 2-3 days with it >_^ Para is cool but need team work!

The OP said he plays RA, TA and AB.

The strength of a paragon is multiplied by the amount of physical damage dealers. It's only usable in 8v8. 6v6 is also possible, but harder.

If the argument is that their armor and a shield are irrelevant to their position in battle then take up a secondary class that lets them use melee stuff.

OBSERVE MODE

...will clear up questions as to why paras have gotten nerfed and dont see much use in NON organised pvp.

i rly dont get what you mean??

warriors normaly uses wep (sword/axe/hammer)16 and strenght 13 (or tactics or a mix).. whats the difference for a paragon with 16 spear 13 leadership?? both classes would have same amount off points left..
both classes depneds on adrenaline for attacks and have 2 bips regen

paragons need a major buff and it is easy to show because they have one of the worst skills ever made......

[skill]"The Power Is Yours!"[/skill]

nuff said

just bumping thread up....

Worst class? Least favored class in pvp? That's why paraspikes are the ones that are most able to hold halls for a long time? Agreed they're not as good in smaller groups, because less people are affected by your shouts, but that's the cost some skills have (it's like saying heal party and aegis suck because it only affects 4 people in RA and asking to buff those skills).

And just because they have one of the worst skills in the game doesn't mean the rest of their nicely powered skills should get buffs. Stuff like skull crack, amity, unyielding aura, balthazar's pendulum, archer's signet, and expert's dexterity are just as useless if not more. That's not the reason why those classes should be buffed though, and ANet won't buff those classes just because a few of their skills suck.

yea let me say something, [skill]skull crack[/skill] i use, [skill]Amity[/skill] i took halls with an amity build, [skill]unyielding aura[/skill] is fun to use, [skill]balthazar's pendulum[/skill] has POSSIBLE uses, [skill]Archer's signet[/skill] doesnt suck at all, and [skill]expert's dexterity[/skill] is lame but not as bad. they dont need buffed. but i just named one skill MOST of paragons skills suck, hell they even nerfed one of few good ones, i had high hopes for [skill]"It's Just a Flesh Wound"[/skill] but it was nerfed, and [skill]"Incoming!"[/skill] was fun but once again paragons got boned so yea

i never play as the powefull classes (warrior, assasin, dervish) as everyone makes them beacuse at first becuase they think they will pwn.

I made a paragon on nightfall to completet the game with and love them; my favourite skills are; They're on fire, Anthem of Flame and leadership signet.

agreed. its fairly irritating having to invest up to lvl 9 in an attribute which has nothing to do with your build

If only paragons had their armors with wings...

If only paragons can stab enemies with their spear...

Then everyBODY will love paragon.

And i agree, paragon is a support class. I will surely dislike the paragons more if they be a Damage maker. Paragons should be High supportive class and Mediocore Damage.

How about we get some actual elite Elite skills?

First of all I run 16 wep and everything else goes into strength. and the few little points left go into tactics to help lions comfort, I DONT TANK, TANKING IS STUPID, unless your in a high end area such as DoA or Urgoz. why? cause most enemies will maybe hit you once or twice then target the squishy monk behind you. Some people will call me stupid but I prefer to beat the ShT out of my enemies rather than tank dmg that Im not getting hit with. And strength has some nice armor boosting skills as well.

So YES you can run all strength. And NO I dont die alot.

So Paragons having sheilds tied to Leadership would NOT be overpowered you sugesting that idea is jsut silly in the first place. If a Spear was linked to it then yeah but not sheild.

Why do Strength req shields cost more? higher demand more use.

Paragons Desperately need a shield tied to Leadership, if your convinced they would be too powerful explain where in the hell you got that idea. its not like any skill at Leadership 16 or 13 with Spear at 16 or 13 would just make the paragons dominate, thats rediculous.

Paragons are a support class so they dont really need much more spear skills or big dmg spear skills. However they do need some of thier shout/chants/Echos boosted a little, or some more added. The skills they have now could become really good with just minisule changes. Looking around at some of threads some of the people want them to becomre rangers, having more conditions and stronger attacks ect. or Eles with big dmg AoE shouts (yes you can make them do good damage anyways though without boosting attack skills). They arent meant to be a dmg dealing class, but in the state they are in they arent much good unless theres at least 2.

Yes Paragons need some love.