Pre Searing Salvage and something to do besides death level

Ok, so here's my problem. Someone offered to salvage something for me in pre for 85k in pre or 350k in post. What a bunch of crap. I don't understand why the game lets this kind of scam continue. It's stupid. I understand you never intended for that stuff to get to pre, but the bubble burst and all you do is make the people who cheat rich. Well the Charr bags were a very nice answer to the bag problem. But you didn't go far enough. Why you have runes in pre you cannot salvage is a mystery to me. Yes I know you did not intend for any one to stay there forever but some of us like pre. At least give us a small chance to salvage something in pre, a slightly better salvage that can give a 10 or 20% chance of getting the rune. Perhaps the Charr could drop a Green 10 time expert salvage kit. Problem solved we could salvage our runes in pre and sell them for normal prices. We could modify our weapons to what we want and have fun. Because after all that is what it is about having fun not getting rich.

Also I'm tired of people paying 50 gold to go to the northlands. It would be nice if there was a small outpost out there that you had to be level 12 to enter. Level 12 because thats where you start getting your title track for legendary Protector of Askalon. And wouldn't it be nice if you could go out north of there and find something to do that would get you your title without having to death level for hours. Not that death leveling isn't easy and something to do while I'm at work but I would rather play. There dosen't have to be much better weapons than we get in the northlands just enough to get by.

Yeah, it would be nice to be able to get through that gate without asking someone to open it for you. C'mon A-net... open the gate.

Pre-searing is only a tutorial so if you do not wish to endure these "scams" you can jst go post, no one is forcing you 2 stay there. Also if u do not hav the money for these services it doesn't mean they are scams.

Well, outpost would be nice ... maybe that outpost could contain expert salvage kit seller

Yes, expert salvage kit drop from charr bosses will help a bit i guess. It could even be green.

But you still have Superior runes and couple of perfect max weapons (heard about gold crystaline... propably b/s) ... its not like ballacing pre was ever anets priority, otherwise we would have seen some action already.

Woah....I'd like to see someone with 85k solely amassed in pre-searing

/signed for the outpost. It is annoying having to pay 50gp EVERY time I want to go into the Northlands.

As for the salvage kit, I don't care. It would be nice, but I wont lose sleep over it.

/signed for the outpost in the northlands, but the level req. isn't needed tbh.

What people mean by that is they salvage in pre, but you have to pay in post.

Its pre-sear. How could you possibly talk about balance in pre-sear? I mean, its just the tute area, is Anet supposed to somehow balance it so that everyone between lvl1 to 20 finds it a challenge? The only way would be to have an area where its like lvl15 to 20 content or something. Why should they do that when they've already designed areas for that after the searing?
You chose to get the title, or you just don't want to leave, fair enough. But I think Anets time would be better spent on things other then making a separate mini campaign in pre-sear...

I frequently have to pay people 50g to get over the wall and I don't really mind. It's a good way for new people to make some quick cash. However, I can also see how an outpost would be nice in the Northern Lands.

However, you're going to have alot of people arguing that Pre is not where the "game" content is and that if you made a Perma-Pre, it's your fault.

I, for one, don't really see how this would "imbalance" the game. Nor do I see how it would be difficult to program in any of these things. DoA, SF... Such things were added after map areas were created. I don't see how this would be different.

/Signed for outpost (Maybe?)
/Signed for Expert Salvage (Definately)

I don't have a problem paying 50 gold to get to the Northerlands.

I have a problem finding someone.

/signed for outpost
/signed for Expert Salvage

/signed for outpost
dont think it will happen but why not

/signed for salvage
this is more plausable but again i doubt we will see it

~the rat~

I know people with over 600k in pre.

They just do a 4:1 ratio. pay 85k in pre for 1 salvage use. If you don't have 85k in pre then you have to pay the 4:1 ratio with post money (350k).

same with Sup vigors selling for 1.5 mill in pre.

Scammers are protected, lawful players should be quiet.. That's GW's stance, they do nothing to deter them.

I've seen someone with 100k and over 90 black dyes in pre searing.

PLEASE add superior salvage kits. It would make it more fun to be able to salvage the runes that drop. Sup runes dont drop now anyway.

Add more to presearing please! Anything....but at least please throw in a sup salvage kit.

I like the idea of the outpost. Just a small one. Piken square, with just a merchant and a couple of guards to keep the Charr at bay. But for the rest of it, no. I like pre searing too, but I don't want all this extra content added to it just to satisfy those who decide to stay there full time. Especially if it makes getting the title easier.

I like how rare it is to see the title, because I think it's the best title in the game. Get rid of the deathleveling and everyone will have one. The title is difficult to get because it takes a lot of time and patience, which some people just don't have (for instance, you can't play the game for a couple of months while you get this, and I think most people just can't handle that).

As for the expert salvage, I really don't care. Though, if you want more stuff to do in pre searing, farming for the money to get those salvages might be a good idea.

I don't think it's patience, turning on the computer and going to work or bed isn't exactly patience. Patience would be if you had to be there and watch and move your character around once in a while, that would be patience. I don't need it to be easy just not mind mumbing boring. And I know I can go to post, I have about 14 characters there. It is just nice to play in pre sometimes. One small area about the size of the northlands, the doors are there all they have to do is open them and let us through.
And I'm tired of everyone taking advantage of every bug. If were not to have expert salvage kits in pre get rid of them across the board or let us all have them. The only ones who are going to cry are the ones who want 85k to salvage an item. And frankly any one who would pay that is nuts.

/signed !

I see many people in this thread have no idea what presearing play is about and post crap...

Balance is not a problem and there's no real need to make it totally balanced, but such an easy to do and obvious thing as an expert salvage kit should be added. Even if really hard to obtain, making a legit way to salvage is the way to go!
I wouldn't count on a new outpost there as it requires quita a bit of work to do that, but ofcourse it would be coool to have it.

I'd like to buy a slot just to have a perma-pre character myself, but minor annoyances like this stop me from doing that.

If you already knew that you couldnt salvage items in pre, then why were you talking to someone who was offering to do it for you?

If it was a newbie player who didnt know any better and didnt even know what salvaging was, then I would understand.

But whos going to honestly have 85k in pre-searing anyway?

Maybe add some lessons about scams into the pre-searing area. A tool tip listing all the known scams and how to avoid them.

Other then that, I dont see why we need more locations in pre-searing. Its perfect as it is, otherwise why would people stay there!

Its not really something we want people to do, otherwise people will never move onto post-searing.

I dont think that 85k for a salvage is a scam, runes are like the end-game content of pre. It's not needed, but if you really want to go for the max in pre you CAN buy it, kinda like tormented weapons..
Demand and offer (I think that's how you call it)

I don't know how to solve it, maybe a quest with a salvage kit as reward, on per player.