I use to respect alot of guilds, for alot of reasons...
1 of those reasons being Guild Ladder Rank and such... you see people running around from certain tags, and have capes with special borders..
Untill the latest.....
Not saying any names, but ive noticed 2 guilds both in Kamaden spamming the following...
SELLING GUILD INVITE TO SILVER (or such color) BORDERED CAPE GUILD... 10K EACH....
So, they send invite, then they kick person 10 mins later.... i mean, ya, they earned the cape, or their guildies did... but does anyone else feel that that is giving other high ranked guilds a bad name, the ladder deserves respect, and all guilds should respect themselves and such as well as other guilds...
This posting is probably in the wrong area... but i honestly feel that it is geared more toward the PVPer then anyone in any other area, and i wanted as many pvpers to see it, because i would love to see their inputs.... because they all get the bad wrap for a few ppl, and i would guess that they read threads here more then anywhere else....
And... new member to guild... never played pvp day in is life, gets into argument... what do u think first thing he will pull.... "look at my guild cape"... then, he gets put in his place, either verbal or fighting... that reflect bad on his guild, other guilds, and the entire guild ladder...
How can you put a price on your honor? Not just the honor you have "earned" by winning such a reward, but the honor of those you have beaten?
Please also read my posting #113 on this page before posting anything....
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0136766&page=6
Don't flare this up or troll on it either!
*nice fast replies, didnt want to repost, just edited... and it is hurting some ppl... Joe Smoe, had 9.4k, sells a few things real fast to get his 10k.... his first 10k ever... (note i said kamaden is where they r selling invites, that is noob island headquarters) even saw 1 guild selling invite for 1k... then guy joins guild 10 mins later needs another guild*
*edit to add link to my other post
Lost Respect for a High Rank Guild or Two...
max gladius
Bankai
[izzy] was also inviting pvers for 10k, I believe, while they were rank 1.
Ofcourse, it was a joke-guild.
The only thing that bothers me is that they kick the person.
Ofcourse, it was a joke-guild.
The only thing that bothers me is that they kick the person.
Lord Mendes
they can do whatever the hell they want, and they really dont care abt respect from RAers.
Llint
The real question you have to ask yourself is, is this hurting anybody? If someone wants the artificial 'fame' or cape(In the sense that its not actually theirs) then let them. I cant really say I care... Just my opinion though :P
Blame the Monks
The funny thing is people know they are being scammed and don't care. When my guild had a pseudo breakup, a guildmate sold invites. I was pissed and told them all they were being scammed.
But none of them minded. They blabbered on about how it was an honor to have a silver cape for a little while and 25k wasn't much money and so on. They knew, and didn't care. What may seem like a scam to you seems like a perfectly reasonable purchase for others.
Whatever tickles your pickle I suppose.
But none of them minded. They blabbered on about how it was an honor to have a silver cape for a little while and 25k wasn't much money and so on. They knew, and didn't care. What may seem like a scam to you seems like a perfectly reasonable purchase for others.
Whatever tickles your pickle I suppose.
Elrodien
I seen a guy in Int districts in HA doing the same. I called him a scammer coz thats all it is. Whoever thought this was a great idea is an asshole and has no scruples or respect for anyone but themselves.
The guild in question have members post here btw. Guys, you should know better you idiots.
The guild in question have members post here btw. Guys, you should know better you idiots.
yesitsrob
If they give them people they invite like some time to get a screenshot with the cape, I think that's fair. That's what a lot of these people want, I don't see any harm in making a bit of gold out of it.
Lord Mendes
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I seen a guy in Int districts in HA doing the same. I called him a scammer coz thats all it is. Whoever thought this was a great idea is an asshole and has no scruples or respect for anyone but themselves.
The guild in question have members post here btw. Guys, you should know better you idiots. |
Both parties know what's coming, both parties are ok with the deal.
Elrodien
Both parties DON'T know whats coming though. A friend of mine had nearly bought the invite thinking he was getting in the aformentioned guild to stay, not just for 10 mins. There are probably a lot of young pvpers out there thinking they have finally struck it lucky only to feel humiliated when they get kicked.
The scammer doesn't make it clear that what he is selling is basically a photo oppurtunity. Maybe if they made this clear, it wouldn't stink so much, but they don't.
The scammer doesn't make it clear that what he is selling is basically a photo oppurtunity. Maybe if they made this clear, it wouldn't stink so much, but they don't.
Shmanka
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Both parties DON'T know whats coming though.
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Lord Mendes
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Both parties DON'T know whats coming though. A friend of mine had nearly bought the invite thinking he was getting in the aformentioned guild to stay, not just for 10 mins. There are probably a lot of young pvpers out there thinking they have finally struck it lucky only to feel humiliated when they get kicked.
The scammer doesn't make it clear that what he is selling is basically a photo oppurtunity. Maybe if they made this clear, it wouldn't stink so much, but they don't. |
fenix
Yeah, you're all wrong. The guilds in question aren't kicking people. They're just inviting them until they're full, because they're gonna remake the guild, so might as well let some players have fun by being in a top guild, and make a few plat out of it. I was talking to a guy from one of the guilds, he said that ~80 people had joined the guild, but 20 had left on their own accord, so there was still 60 there.
If you are new, and pay to join the guild, then you shouldn't be playing imo. It' just retarded thinking that you have to pay 10k to actually join a guild that is being serious.
If you are new, and pay to join the guild, then you shouldn't be playing imo. It' just retarded thinking that you have to pay 10k to actually join a guild that is being serious.
tomcruisejr
Counter-scam them. Tell them to send the Invite first and don't pay. They will kick you but your name is in their guild history.
Win-win. Be wise guys.
Win-win. Be wise guys.
Wilhelm
In ID1 earlier, a certain Silver caped guild was spamming 10k for a day lawl.
Then again, someone did pay 1000k for a Bronze Colored guild.
Then again, someone did pay 1000k for a Bronze Colored guild.
Sofonisba
I think the loss of respect the OP is talking about has to do with the fact that the top-ranked guilds who sell temp memberships are actually selling out their own hard work (or their fellow guildies' work) for a bit of cash. Not necessarily about the potential "scam" factor.
Wow, now everyone can have a screenie of themselves wearing a champion's cape... how... very special... a'la "Yeah, that's me when I was in that rank 2 guild... but meh, I left to pursue other opportunities..."
Wow, now everyone can have a screenie of themselves wearing a champion's cape... how... very special... a'la "Yeah, that's me when I was in that rank 2 guild... but meh, I left to pursue other opportunities..."
Dextus Ironheart
As one of the people currently selling invites i see no harm in doing so. We simply want to make some cash in the time we have our trim remaining, the only time we've kicked those invited is if they've bugged members of the alliance or simply refuse to listen to things. Many of the pve's that we have invited care little about 10k and almost all people will pay in advance. Im curious about what actually we are scamming seems as we are selling the invite then they get the invite.. its not as if we're saying ooo u can be on our gvg team only 10k or something. Anyways its free money we might as well.
All members paid 10-50k and there was probably another 20-30
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All members paid 10-50k and there was probably another 20-30
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Edit by Billiard: No WTS here please, even if it was in jest.
Sofonisba
It's cool, really. You deserve something for your hard work, definitely, I'll agree with that.
Just be aware that when peeps see gold/silver/bronze lined capes, that some (like me) will assume they're looking at someone who actually had zero to do with the guild's success.
Just be aware that when peeps see gold/silver/bronze lined capes, that some (like me) will assume they're looking at someone who actually had zero to do with the guild's success.
max gladius
^^^ my point exactly!
so, u got joe nub, paid 10k to get into ur guild, talks alot of smack, gets tuned up bad.... (done it got the video on youtube), then ur guild, as well as all other siver / bronze / whatever lined capes get bad raps....
and you, as a guild and pvper who worked hard to earn their cap, get bad raps.....
finaly, someone sees my point...
so, u got joe nub, paid 10k to get into ur guild, talks alot of smack, gets tuned up bad.... (done it got the video on youtube), then ur guild, as well as all other siver / bronze / whatever lined capes get bad raps....
and you, as a guild and pvper who worked hard to earn their cap, get bad raps.....
finaly, someone sees my point...
headcarb
seen team everfrost do it and kick
Nkah Sennyt
Guilds get cape trims from playing well, not being nice. There's nothing really wrong with what they're doing - the players don't have to accept the invite in the first place - imo, any blame rests squarely in their hands, not those "selling" the invites.
Feminist Terrorist
IF both parties clearly understand whatever rules the invitation is issued under, there is no problem. It doesn't matter if the invitation is permanent, for a day, or for 10 minutes, as long as it's understood by both parties. Inviting a player then kicking him/her just because you got their money is unethical and worthy of complete and utter contempt.
On the other hand, selling membership in a guild, let alone a top ranked one, cheapens the guild itself.
On the other hand, selling membership in a guild, let alone a top ranked one, cheapens the guild itself.
Effendi Westland
I saw this for the first time today, maybe this thread has given some people ideas? ^^
I'm neutral about this, strange thing to do, but there is really no harm. Not like the payers are expecting to stay in the guild long i guess.
Have to agree with this, but
also with this.
I'm neutral about this, strange thing to do, but there is really no harm. Not like the payers are expecting to stay in the guild long i guess.
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Why is he a scammer?
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On the other hand, selling membership in a guild, let alone a top ranked one, cheapens the guild itself.
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Wilhelm
Probebly better to keep it legit and respectful, or you guys will start to be as loved as the children from Slash Rank.
leeky baby
they all want fow for next season xD
Div
If someone has to pay to get into a high ranked guild, they're mostly just PvErs that want the opportunity to finally show themselves off in a cape trim. I don't see the hurt in that, since it benefits both parties, and if they don't understand the fact that they may be kicked soon after, that's their fault. I don't support the selling of cape trim, but it's really not as bad as some people say.
That said, it was entertaining to see someone from PUFF (most likely bought their way in) brag about how good they are and how their guild would destroy all of us. Not going to mention names, but if someone who pays 10k for the invite abuses the guild name like that, then they should get kicked.
However, it does make me slightly sad to see the value of having a cape trim go down because of a few guilds that are selling invites.
That said, it was entertaining to see someone from PUFF (most likely bought their way in) brag about how good they are and how their guild would destroy all of us. Not going to mention names, but if someone who pays 10k for the invite abuses the guild name like that, then they should get kicked.
However, it does make me slightly sad to see the value of having a cape trim go down because of a few guilds that are selling invites.
leeky baby
they just selling because they dont want a brnze trim, the remaking under a new guild name. they just selling the silver trim because they can?
DarkWasp
Certainly isn't honorable. Not honorable at all.
Its a ripoff.
People are supposed to work to get money.
And NO GvGing all day isn't part of it.
Thats like spending a few years with nothing but dumbells and benchs... You may come out strong, but you don't make money for it.
I mean, take celeberties for example. Someone sees them... OMG LOOK WHO IT IS! They don't charge you a thousand dollars to get a picture taken with them though! They COULD do it... Some people WOULD pay. But they know it'll hurt their rep. Why will it hurt their rep? It's dishonorable.
In the end, I've lost my respect for these guild too.
Its a ripoff.
People are supposed to work to get money.
And NO GvGing all day isn't part of it.
Thats like spending a few years with nothing but dumbells and benchs... You may come out strong, but you don't make money for it.
I mean, take celeberties for example. Someone sees them... OMG LOOK WHO IT IS! They don't charge you a thousand dollars to get a picture taken with them though! They COULD do it... Some people WOULD pay. But they know it'll hurt their rep. Why will it hurt their rep? It's dishonorable.
In the end, I've lost my respect for these guild too.
max gladius
My comment on "them needing money" is why they do it, has 2 replies...
1. If all they do is PVP... why do they need money?
2. Go win in the halls, sell what u get... that is what alot of the respectable all pvp that i know do....
1. If all they do is PVP... why do they need money?
2. Go win in the halls, sell what u get... that is what alot of the respectable all pvp that i know do....
Dextus Ironheart
Oh, and just for the record [PUFF] sold for 100k+60e and the guild core now disbanded.
Surena
It's no ripoff.
It's people who didn't grow up yet believing that pixels formed to a gold cape would lead them to highly-spiritual transcendant experiences, and so they pay 100k to wear it. How sad is that?
It's people who didn't grow up yet believing that pixels formed to a gold cape would lead them to highly-spiritual transcendant experiences, and so they pay 100k to wear it. How sad is that?
Avarre
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Certainly isn't honorable. Not honorable at all.
Its a ripoff. People are supposed to work to get money. And NO GvGing all day isn't part of it. Thats like spending a few years with nothing but dumbells and benchs... You may come out strong, but you don't make money for it. |
max gladius
no, he was comparing the effort for the return i believe... as in you will get out what u put in, but nothing more...
as in ppl shouldnt give u money to say they know u... the fact you are who u are is your return... if you want money you should pve like the rest of us...
atleast that is what i got from it... no idea where u got pve farming from...
as in ppl shouldnt give u money to say they know u... the fact you are who u are is your return... if you want money you should pve like the rest of us...
atleast that is what i got from it... no idea where u got pve farming from...
Wilhelm
eF selling month invites for 100k.......sadly this is catching on.
conzpi
I have sold quite a few memberships in eF and made some nice money for shiny items (tormented). I would have to play endless hours of HA or PvE to earn them the normal way - so why can't I take them sort of as a GVG reward for earning the cape with SKILL, not farming. And to idiots who keep calling me a scammer: not a single member who paid has been kicked from the guild. Besides for the duration of playoffs because we didn't want to get spies in our guildhall. But they are reinvited now.
And yea I dont see why it is so bad to have some PvE players with shiny cape somewhere. They want something to spend their money on - something rare and a cape is like that and we want money. Both sides are happy. No one has the right to say that it's wrong.
Really growing tired of people who kill trolls in a pvp game calling me scammer and nub because I do fair deals without any kind of scam involved : (
And yea I dont see why it is so bad to have some PvE players with shiny cape somewhere. They want something to spend their money on - something rare and a cape is like that and we want money. Both sides are happy. No one has the right to say that it's wrong.
Really growing tired of people who kill trolls in a pvp game calling me scammer and nub because I do fair deals without any kind of scam involved : (
ZenRgy
I really don't see the problem, as mentioned earlier anyone who thinks they will actually get into these guilds and play with them is crazy.
Also a lot of the people who buy into these guilds just use them as a bragging right to trash other guilds / players, if I had the power to exploit their stupidity - I would, and laugh at them.
Also a lot of the people who buy into these guilds just use them as a bragging right to trash other guilds / players, if I had the power to exploit their stupidity - I would, and laugh at them.
J3mo
Well, it's fair, you know what you get and they know what they're selling.
And if they don't advertise for how long the membership is just ask.
And if they don't advertise for how long the membership is just ask.
conzpi
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Well, it's fair, you know what you get and they know what they're selling.
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fenix
You should be giving EXTRA respect to these guilds, simply because they're letting the players stay in the guild. If it were me, I'd be kicking the people after inviting (whoever is stupid enough to spend 100k to join a guild deserves to be kicked).
The Last Cruzader
Eh why should the guild have sympathy for random people they don't know?
max gladius
I agree, all pvpers r not backstabbers as was stated above by someone... from my personal experiences, pvp guilds do not have alot of loyalty, but the clicks do stay goether.... i personally dont know alot of the ppl buying and getting the invites, the ones i saw, and the reason i started this forum were...
1. New guildies joining some of these guilds r talking alot of smack and throwing the cape around...
2. Some of the guilds, NOT SAYING ALL OF THEM... r not making it clear how long you will be in the said guild... some r just inviting and kicking... was told that directly from someone i was chatting with sending the invite....
3. Why invite in new island type area? Mass amount of ppl and you get away with more....
I use to feel that when i saw someone in HA, TA, Lions arch or where ever that had a cape with a border, i felt respect for that person... now i see the bordered cape and think, wonder how much that cost him....
1. New guildies joining some of these guilds r talking alot of smack and throwing the cape around...
2. Some of the guilds, NOT SAYING ALL OF THEM... r not making it clear how long you will be in the said guild... some r just inviting and kicking... was told that directly from someone i was chatting with sending the invite....
3. Why invite in new island type area? Mass amount of ppl and you get away with more....
I use to feel that when i saw someone in HA, TA, Lions arch or where ever that had a cape with a border, i felt respect for that person... now i see the bordered cape and think, wonder how much that cost him....