Lost Respect for a High Rank Guild or Two...
Wilhelm
I"d love to see the Trim taken away. Then what? Pay back all these people?
Sakura Haruno
eF doesnt kick you after you pay 100k . you get to stay in for 1 month
sad fact is anywya that aslong as both ends are clear 100k vs 1 month membership it is fine and not against the eula but if one were to say kick after 10 min that is against the eula but eF doesnt kick anyway its PUFF that did kicking and well PUFF got sold for 100k + 60 ectos rofl
sad fact is anywya that aslong as both ends are clear 100k vs 1 month membership it is fine and not against the eula but if one were to say kick after 10 min that is against the eula but eF doesnt kick anyway its PUFF that did kicking and well PUFF got sold for 100k + 60 ectos rofl
Dana Hawkeye
Selling membership to any Guild, let alone a Gold/Silver trimmed caped one is downright disgusting, dishonerable, degrading and demeaning!
A Guild that has Gold/Silver trimmings to their cape is also an Official ANET 'Notable Guild'. This selling of membership is not what should be expected of a Notable Guild.
They should be setting a fine example to other Guilds, not demeaning them. I hope that ANET takes away their honours, titles, Cape and bans the offenders.
A Guild that has Gold/Silver trimmings to their cape is also an Official ANET 'Notable Guild'. This selling of membership is not what should be expected of a Notable Guild.
They should be setting a fine example to other Guilds, not demeaning them. I hope that ANET takes away their honours, titles, Cape and bans the offenders.
Sakura Haruno
they cant lol
miguelguerin
Note: I do not like the idea of "member fees" but i am not against them either.
I DO NOT "respect" guild names,tags nor good looking capes, however I DO "respect" great players.
1: Deal is a Deal; they paid to join the guild, and they get the invitation. No scam here.
2: Every single guild have rules to follow. Doesn't matter if you paid, the rules apply for everyone. (Reason for kick)
3: Get information before accepting the deal. Ex: join my R[x] guild for 50k! If you agree with it, you CANNOT expect all what you want; no FACTS to support you, since they only offered an Invitation for an unknown time and/or unknown terms.
Every person can do whatever they want with their money/gold, and guilds can do whatever they want with their guild. This is not affecting the game.
I DO NOT "respect" guild names,tags nor good looking capes, however I DO "respect" great players.
1: Deal is a Deal; they paid to join the guild, and they get the invitation. No scam here.
2: Every single guild have rules to follow. Doesn't matter if you paid, the rules apply for everyone. (Reason for kick)
3: Get information before accepting the deal. Ex: join my R[x] guild for 50k! If you agree with it, you CANNOT expect all what you want; no FACTS to support you, since they only offered an Invitation for an unknown time and/or unknown terms.
Every person can do whatever they want with their money/gold, and guilds can do whatever they want with their guild. This is not affecting the game.
Relambrien
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Originally Posted by miguelguerin
Note: I do not like the idea of "member fees" but i am not against them either.
I DO NOT "respect" guild names,tags nor good looking capes, however I DO "respect" great players. 1: Deal is a Deal; they paid to join the guild, and they get the invitation. No scam here. 2: Every single guild have rules to follow. Doesn't matter if you paid, the rules apply for everyone. (Reason for kick) 3: Get information before accepting the deal. Ex: join my R[x] guild for 50k! If you agree with it, you CANNOT expect all what you want; no FACTS to support you, since they only offered an Invitation for an unknown time and/or unknown terms. Every person can do whatever they want with their money/gold, and guilds can do whatever they want with their guild. This is not affecting the game. |
So if these guilds want to sell invites so that people can get a screenshot with a silver cape, more power to them. As long as they're giving the buyer exactly what they said they'd give him, then I see no fault with this.
Arkantos
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Superdarth
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Originally Posted by Dana Hawkeye
Selling membership to any Guild, let alone a Gold/Silver trimmed caped one is downright disgusting, dishonerable, degrading and demeaning!
A Guild that has Gold/Silver trimmings to their cape is also an Official ANET 'Notable Guild'. This selling of membership is not what should be expected of a Notable Guild. They should be setting a fine example to other Guilds, not demeaning them. I hope that ANET takes away their honours, titles, Cape and bans the offenders. |
Regardless of the official rights or whrong, such a guild dous not deserve what they have. The amount of skill they posess do not make up for it in this case.
Master Ketsu
Am I the only one here who thinks its a legitimate way for a good guild to earn money ? Really, people who wish to buy their way into a good guild to earn respect deserve to be ripped off like this. I would never want to join a guild unless I met the requirements, and they met mine.
As old and corny as the saying is: A fool and his money are soon parted.
As old and corny as the saying is: A fool and his money are soon parted.
Dana Hawkeye
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
Ban the offenders? They aren't breaking any rules. In fact, they aren't doing anything wrong.
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People go on about how others swear, ragequit, act stupidly and do other misdemenours in towns and outposts - to me, the selling of membership into these said Guilds is no different and is bringing this game into disrepute. I have seen some things that I thought were low in this game, but this has to be the lowest yet. And all for a few gold coins, Shylock seems to spring to mind here.
I will never see any character who 'wears a gold/silver cape' in the same light ever again. If I was in such a Guild I would be ashamed to be associated with them.
I am absolutely disgusted with all of this. I sincerely hope ANET does something about this as surely it cannot condone this practice.
Superdarth
[QUOTE=Master Ketsu]Am I the only one here who thinks its a legitimate way for a good guild to earn money ?QUOTE]
Yes.
The noobs who join them might get punished, but who will punish the noobs causing it?They deserve at least as much punishment and now they are becoming stinking rich.
Yes.
The noobs who join them might get punished, but who will punish the noobs causing it?They deserve at least as much punishment and now they are becoming stinking rich.
Vikernes Whg
i thought a top guild like eF knows more than to start selling invites for money and calling ppl 'pieces of pve trash' or 'learn to pvp before you talk to me'
you cant see anything wrong with them because maybe you're the same?
some of the ppl that bought those invites were calling everyone else noobs as well, so.. who knows they might like eachother
nothing more to say
you're teh best f**k the rest
ps you keep respecting great players while i'll continue to respect decent human beings
you cant see anything wrong with them because maybe you're the same?
some of the ppl that bought those invites were calling everyone else noobs as well, so.. who knows they might like eachother
nothing more to say
you're teh best f**k the rest
ps you keep respecting great players while i'll continue to respect decent human beings
conzpi
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And this is where it all boils down
Jealousy.
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Am I the only one here who thinks its a legitimate way for a good guild to earn money ?QUOTE]
Yes. The noobs who join them might get punished, but who will punish the noobs causing it?They deserve at least as much punishment and now they are becoming stinking rich. |
Jealousy.
The Cantio
who the hell would wanna be in a guild with ppl like conzpi anyway? kthxbai eF
QQ MOAR PLZ IN ADVANCE
QQ MOAR PLZ IN ADVANCE
Vikernes Whg
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i'm glad you found someone talking about the money part so you can hang your 'jealousy' on it. how about the moral part?
but hey! dont lose to much time around here and go back recruting, you said yourself you made 150k in 1 day, isnt that great?
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but hey! dont lose to much time around here and go back recruting, you said yourself you made 150k in 1 day, isnt that great?
Avarre
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i'm glad you found someone talking about the money part so you can hang your 'jealousy' on it. how about the moral part? but hey! dont lose to much time around here and go back recruting, you said yourself you made 150k in 1 day, isnt that great? |
Everyone knows what they get out of the transaction, nobody is 'cheated', and, lets be honest, it's just a game.
Fissure armor isn't a testament of skill, it just looks nice. People still pay to wear it. If a cape-trimmed guild wants to create a supply of much more exclusive ornamentation, why not?
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Originally Posted by Dana Hawkeye
I will never see any character who 'wears a gold/silver cape' in the same light ever again.
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Like champions, because they could just pug/gimmick it.
Are we noticing a pattern here?
Only knowledge of a player can prove whether they are good or not.
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Originally Posted by Dana Hawkeye
It is NOT morally right to sell memberships to any Guilds, let alone a 'Notabale Guild'.
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I have to congratulate you conzpi, both on winning, and on creating such a potentially hilarious source of drama.
conzpi
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Originally Posted by Vikernes Whg
i'm glad you found someone talking about the money part so you can hang your 'jealousy' on it. how about the moral part?
but hey! dont lose to much time around here and go back recruting, you said yourself you made 150k in 1 day, isnt that great? |
Dana Hawkeye
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Well I don't have anything on my conscience, and I am 4 mils richer! And nothing you say will affect that so you might aswell stop. And fyi: not recruiting anymore.
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As for morals, if you dont have morals in a game like this, then you obviously dont have any morals in real life.
It all just cheapens the whole game.
So come on ANET, make a stand, its your game as well.
I just hope that this thing will never happen in Guild Wars 2. I think it is probably time to divorce PVE from PVP.
max gladius
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Fissure armor isn't a testament of skill, it just looks nice. People still pay to wear it. If a cape-trimmed guild wants to create a supply of much more exclusive ornamentation, why not?
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Champion is gvg isnt it?? pug or gimmick high rated gvgs? where have i been...
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Think through history... what is remembered most? Individuals or groups?
Few quotes...
"Mine honor is my life, both grow in one. Take honor from me, and my life is done. Then, dear my liege, mine honor let me try; In that I live, and for that I will die." William Shakespeare
"Rather fail with honor than succeed by fraud" Sophocles
moriz
only jesus can judge. the rest can only speculate. that is all.
Divineshadows
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Its not about whether they have broken any rules or not, its about morals. It is NOT morally right to sell memberships to any Guilds, let alone a 'Notabale Guild'.
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Empedocles
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As for morals, if you dont have morals in a game like this, then you obviously dont have any morals in real life.
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I used to kill people with an axe in a game like this (quite immorally too).
Arkantos
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Star Gazer
someone please close this thread. It hass turned from a discussion, to the arguements of 12 year olds o.o
Mohnzh
Why is everyone talking about scams and morals and whatnot? This is all totally off-topic. The point the TC was making, in my understanding, is a point trying to protect the GUILD, not the person buying the membership. He was pointing out that it takes a lot of hard work to become a top-ranked guild, and some of those guilds take a lot of pride in it. They exist as groups/guilds in more areas than just guild wars and are very loyal to each other and their group. Yet some high-ranked guilds are selling memberships. Because of that, not everyone claiming to be a high-ranked guildy deserves respect. They did nothing to earn their rank. those people are not the issue. The issue is that because those people exist, the guilds that DID put a lot of work into their rank and DO put a lot of pride in it and would NEVER sell a membership because of that pride are getting a lot less respect because people can just assume that their hard work was not earned, but bought. The TC's question was addressed to the eliters that take a lot of pride in what they've accomplished. The question is essentially this:
"You eliters, I have a lot of respect for you. But how do you feel about the disrespect that is headed your way because of other eliters selling their status?"
"You eliters, I have a lot of respect for you. But how do you feel about the disrespect that is headed your way because of other eliters selling their status?"
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Its not about whether they have broken any rules or not, its about morals. It is NOT morally right to sell memberships to any Guilds, let alone a 'Notabale Guild'. Have you notable Guilds who have done this, no shame?
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Superdarth
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Play to win. Play to get rich. Whatever. There are no "in-game morales" in any game. You play to get ahead. If it's not against the EULA rules than it's not wrong to do.
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There are most certainly in-game morales, and if you do sompthing morally whrong you would certainly get scorned.
Many will despise a guild selling invites because they are suffering from delusions of grandeur, if you dont care about what other people think and only care about making money (About the stupidest attitude one can have in a massive MULTIPLAYER online roleplaying game) Then sure go ahead, you wont get punished.
If you do care its not a very bright idea.
I think this is enough to end the discussion wich is, indeed, turning into a flame war.
elektra_lucia
I think I'd hate to lose respect from someone. Like, really cry you know?
You might be right. Infact, I'd say I'm the same in real life. Can't say I'd care too much if I saw someone being hit by a chaos axe by a man in some frenzy. Your point though? Just for sake of argument. You are totally correct. Do you think someone would care about what say 10 people thought out of the 6 billion people on this world?
From my knowledge you gain respect from someone understanding you. If they don't understand you, they couldn't respect you to begin with; therefore, it'd be kind of logical to state that you can't really lose respect.
You clearly never knew these people to begin with, because if you did you would of _NEVER_ acted surprised.
I can't say I can morally look up to anyone, infact I consider most people trash. The point being is, I can respect them for being a good player but that's all I'll respect them for. I do not lose respect if they sell a guild invite, they're still a good player.
The only thing I would consider is that the person buying it is weak and powerless. I would not lose respect for them either, because such a person would not gain my respect to begin with; therefore, it is my opinion that you are extremely stupid/naive if you have respected or looked up to anyone and later had a shock that they were selling an invite.
Conclusion? You should be looking at your own faults.
P.S. Nice is nice but there's no point doing nice.
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From my knowledge you gain respect from someone understanding you. If they don't understand you, they couldn't respect you to begin with; therefore, it'd be kind of logical to state that you can't really lose respect.
You clearly never knew these people to begin with, because if you did you would of _NEVER_ acted surprised.
I can't say I can morally look up to anyone, infact I consider most people trash. The point being is, I can respect them for being a good player but that's all I'll respect them for. I do not lose respect if they sell a guild invite, they're still a good player.
The only thing I would consider is that the person buying it is weak and powerless. I would not lose respect for them either, because such a person would not gain my respect to begin with; therefore, it is my opinion that you are extremely stupid/naive if you have respected or looked up to anyone and later had a shock that they were selling an invite.
Conclusion? You should be looking at your own faults.
P.S. Nice is nice but there's no point doing nice.
Mohnzh
Still missing the point. The topic was not created to talk about the respect that the TC or anyone else has, but to ask a question addressed to the people in high ranked guilds. Nothing to do with morals, or whether or not an individual does or does not respect them for their achievements, but what do THEY feel about it.
elektra_lucia
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I use to respect alot of guilds, for alot of reasons... 1 of those reasons being Guild Ladder Rank and such... you see people running around from certain tags, and have capes with special borders.. Untill the latest..... Not saying any names, but ive noticed 2 guilds both in Kamaden spamming the following... SELLING GUILD INVITE TO SILVER (or such color) BORDERED CAPE GUILD... 10K EACH.... So, they send invite, then they kick person 10 mins later.... i mean, ya, they earned the cape, or their guildies did... but does anyone else feel that that is giving other high ranked guilds a bad name, the ladder deserves respect, and all guilds should respect themselves and such as well as other guilds... This posting is probably in the wrong area... but i honestly feel that it is geared more toward the PVPer then anyone in any other area, and i wanted as many pvpers to see it, because i would love to see their inputs.... because they all get the bad wrap for a few ppl, and i would guess that they read threads here more then anywhere else.... And... new member to guild... never played pvp day in is life, gets into argument... what do u think first thing he will pull.... "look at my guild cape"... then, he gets put in his place, either verbal or fighting... that reflect bad on his guild, other guilds, and the entire guild ladder... How can you put a price on your honor? Not just the honor you have "earned" by winning such a reward, but the honor of those you have beaten? |
First bit of bold text, he's implied he is losing respect yet if the guild keeps its core members - the rank isn't going to change much; therefore, I haven't gone off topic in my previous post.
Second bit of bold - my point, people don't care. Sure they might say they do but they don't really.
Next bit of bold - point repeated, they don't care.
Honor is in line with morals.
If you respect someone for being 'good' then your respect for them should not change because they made money from the reward they got (fancy cape).
If you respect someone good for having morals and being a good person only to discover they wern't who you thought they were. You are a fool and naive.
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Gosu
Just "out" the guild that are doing it I hate all this "oh a certain silver border caped guild" is doing this or the "oh a certain uber player is doing that". Just out them so we all know who they are.
I am sure they won't care, seeing as they don't mind doing it openly In game.
I am sure they won't care, seeing as they don't mind doing it openly In game.
Mohnzh
Elektra, the original post is where I am trying to point people. Read the TC's questions that you emboldened. you quoted him saying "How can you put a price on your honor?" Who else can "you" refer to except those who have worked hard to earn the titles they have (ie. people in high-ranked guilds)? That is the exact question I am trying to point people to. Yes, he wants all PvPers input, but his primary questions are addressed to those whose reputation is affected. Again, what you emboldened was the question, "Does anyone feel like this is giving other high-ranked guilds a bad name?" The TC did not want to see honorable, dedicated guilds lose their credibility because high-ranked guilds were just something you could "purchase". Yes, the TC mentioned respect, as did I. But his concern was not the level of his or any of our respect, but for the cheapening of the prestige that so many have worked for. I think he has a very valid and interesting concern, but only those who are a part of those high-ranked guilds can say whether or not it bothers them. If it doesn't, it won't bother him (or me). But if it does bother those that worked for it, MAYBE (not necessarily) something should be done. All I am trying to do is get people talking about the issue the TC was addressing rather than talking about whether it is morally acceptable, or scamming, or what people think of people that do that stuff. Selling guild memberships affects only a handful of highly skilled players, and not very significantly at that. It only affects the prestige they have worked for. Only their opinion on the matter is worth anything. Please understand, I am not trying to flame, or troll, or anything of the sort. I just feel like this thread has moved away from what the poster originally intended. Hopefully this discussion has redirected it.
max gladius
Thank both of u for bringing this back on track.... i am not trying to make it a scamming or moral debate... for some ppl morals and honor run hand in hand, others it doesnt...
It could however be considered a scam if the seller doesnt tell the buyer that he is only paying for a certain amount of time in the guild.... because that is very misleading.... yes, i am saying it is the sellers responsibility to tell the buyer of such things......
The point of the post however, that i intended, was to find out ppls feeling about guilds selling membership to high rank guilds, just because that person can pay that amount....
Personaly, the cape trim is equal to their honor, and being proud of their accomplishments.... I have more respect for rank 200 guild, then i do for Team Everfrost (selling 1 month / 100k) no use of alliance chat, talking to officers, blah blah blah) *admited on this thread*
Personaly I think someone who holds themselves to a high enough lvl and treasures their hard earned "honor" enough to not put a price tag on it is a better person and player....
At the same time... Esoteric Warriors and everyone else who got lower places on the tournament are on that same ladder.... so, if ppl loose respect for the top spot on tournament, they are almost forced to loose respect to the rest of the spots.... Therefore Their actions are not only affecting the way ppl look at their guild, but the rest of the guilds there also.....
It quickly turns the Guild Ladder into a money making scheme for some guilds, and punishes other guilds that are there for just fun... I know there are alot of high ranked guilds that play to play... well soon, if not already, guilds are going to be playing to get paid...
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12 ppl who r on 12 different guilds, all are good players, but the rest of their guild are not the best, well they all decide to team up just for tournament because they think they can win the tournament, sell invites to the guild, then sell the guild and go back to their old guilds.... there fore, spend 2 months in a guild, make 10 million each, and that guild, gold cape and all, mean nothing, yet 2nd place who is a guild of coworkers, just got second...
That is how u affect everyone and that is why i started this post.... i am going to link this from my origional posting.....
It could however be considered a scam if the seller doesnt tell the buyer that he is only paying for a certain amount of time in the guild.... because that is very misleading.... yes, i am saying it is the sellers responsibility to tell the buyer of such things......
The point of the post however, that i intended, was to find out ppls feeling about guilds selling membership to high rank guilds, just because that person can pay that amount....
Personaly, the cape trim is equal to their honor, and being proud of their accomplishments.... I have more respect for rank 200 guild, then i do for Team Everfrost (selling 1 month / 100k) no use of alliance chat, talking to officers, blah blah blah) *admited on this thread*
Personaly I think someone who holds themselves to a high enough lvl and treasures their hard earned "honor" enough to not put a price tag on it is a better person and player....
At the same time... Esoteric Warriors and everyone else who got lower places on the tournament are on that same ladder.... so, if ppl loose respect for the top spot on tournament, they are almost forced to loose respect to the rest of the spots.... Therefore Their actions are not only affecting the way ppl look at their guild, but the rest of the guilds there also.....
It quickly turns the Guild Ladder into a money making scheme for some guilds, and punishes other guilds that are there for just fun... I know there are alot of high ranked guilds that play to play... well soon, if not already, guilds are going to be playing to get paid...
Example:
12 ppl who r on 12 different guilds, all are good players, but the rest of their guild are not the best, well they all decide to team up just for tournament because they think they can win the tournament, sell invites to the guild, then sell the guild and go back to their old guilds.... there fore, spend 2 months in a guild, make 10 million each, and that guild, gold cape and all, mean nothing, yet 2nd place who is a guild of coworkers, just got second...
That is how u affect everyone and that is why i started this post.... i am going to link this from my origional posting.....
Nilator
I saw a guild during the HA weekend doing this, 250k per invite. Also heard they were kicking also. This is just disrespectful. If you/your guild earned something, it should be for the members that were in that guild when it happened, not before, not after.
elektra_lucia
Mohnzh :
I never said you were flaming, so please don't go off topic by bringing it up. I was simply commenting on the fact you were wrong.
I've infact some what tried to defend your english here but in this case I simply can not. It's not about what some people think, and what others don't. You used the word honor. Yes moral, and honor are linked. Look yourself please :
http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/moral
You should have done that to begin with, making your own little language makes things a big confusion.
You said you are not trying to make this a scamming debate, you've now debated it though. Some what of a contradiction but hey...
Look up the word respect please.
They arn't selling an invite to play gvg's, they're selling an invite to look pretty. As you've got a screwed perception of the whole deal, it's no wonder you come to dodgy conclusions.
Heh, who knows. Might end up like football - tell me, will you be saying that you've lost respect for them too? 
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I take it you mean edit your original post? That'll just confuse things.
P.S. Players don't lose skill from selling a guild invite. If you respected them for being a good player, the respect remains. If you respected them for being decent people - you were a fool.
I never said you were flaming, so please don't go off topic by bringing it up. I was simply commenting on the fact you were wrong.
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http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/moral
You should have done that to begin with, making your own little language makes things a big confusion.
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P.S. Players don't lose skill from selling a guild invite. If you respected them for being a good player, the respect remains. If you respected them for being decent people - you were a fool.
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Personaly, the cape trim is equal to their honor, and being proud of their accomplishments.... I have more respect for rank 200 guild, then i do for Team Everfrost (selling 1 month / 100k) no use of alliance chat, talking to officers, blah blah blah) *admited on this thread*
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If people are willing to pay it, someone is going to supply it. Sure, I'd rather be in a guild where I can actually talk to people, but that's opinion and eF officers and the people who buy invites are entitled to their own.
max gladius
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I've infact some what tried to defend your english here but in this case I simply can not. It's not about what some people think, and what others don't. You used the word honor. Yes moral, and honor are linked. Look yourself please :
http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/moral You should have done that to begin with, making your own little language makes things a big confusion. |
Moral: of, pertaining to, or concerned with the principles or rules of right conduct or the distinction between right and wrong
Honor:a source of credit or distinction; high respect, as for worth, merit, or rank
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And my "english" as you call it, i dont care to worry about every word i spell or such, i get my point across....
Maybe you should have looked up a few things before you started trolling on this subject
elektra_lucia
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/honor
–noun 1. honesty, fairness, or integrity in one's beliefs and actions: a man of honor.
high respect, as for worth, merit, or rank: to be held in honor.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/moral
morals, principles or habits with respect to right or wrong conduct.
There is obviously more than one meaning to one word; however, I figured you'd be bright enough to see the link.
If you were never in a top guild, you wouldn't be able to relate to their behaviour. Would you? If however, you related to their kind personality - then you should of head your head examined 
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As I call it? What's that supposed to mean? Do you expect me to say French?
That was why I defended you earlier; however, this time it seems like you don't know what you're talking about. I never mentioned spelling either. I was merely commenting on the fact you did not understand the words you were saying.
I wasn't trolling.
My personal views is that this should be against the EULA or something; however, in no way did I look up to these people or anything. Sure they are skilled players but that's all. That is the point I'm trying to make. They're still skilled at the game, they're still d*ckheads. Nothing changed.
–noun 1. honesty, fairness, or integrity in one's beliefs and actions: a man of honor.
high respect, as for worth, merit, or rank: to be held in honor.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/moral
morals, principles or habits with respect to right or wrong conduct.
There is obviously more than one meaning to one word; however, I figured you'd be bright enough to see the link.
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| Respect:esteem for or a sense of the worth or excellence of a person, a personal quality or ability, or something considered as a manifestation of a personal quality or ability; to show regard or consideration for; to relate or have reference to |
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| And my "english" as you call it |
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| i dont care to worry about every word i spell or such, i get my point across.... |
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| Maybe you should have looked up a few things before you started trolling on this subject |
My personal views is that this should be against the EULA or something; however, in no way did I look up to these people or anything. Sure they are skilled players but that's all. That is the point I'm trying to make. They're still skilled at the game, they're still d*ckheads
. Nothing changed.
Malice Black
I don't like it, I don't agree with it but it's not my money, so I don't care all that much.
If these people wish to waste their money to have some gold on a cape more power to them.
However, any posts selling invites in Ventari will be closed. I'd only have to end up warning people for non-bids so I cut my workload by not allowing the thread in to begin with.
If these people wish to waste their money to have some gold on a cape more power to them.
However, any posts selling invites in Ventari will be closed. I'd only have to end up warning people for non-bids so I cut my workload by not allowing the thread in to begin with.
Isis_In_De_Nile
A scam is a scam is a scam. It's douchery, plain and simple. There is no justification.