Lost Respect for a High Rank Guild or Two...

omfg

This blows on many levels but the one thing that ticks me off is my guildies that braged bout how they went to try outs for HA , gvg and TA for hours so they could proove themselves to these peeps.
After beeing taking in by these guilds they came on ts to tell us how they are joing a better guild because of their rank 2/3 abilties had surpassed that of our guild with rank 3/12 players.
Now I find out they paid the guild in qustion just cause of a tin foil cape efect they left a their guild of 1yr1/2.I know you two nubs will read this and expect rage pms and get reading to increase your ignore list.

Well, I think that our viewpoints are not too far off, elektra and max. I think some of the discussion is more semantical than topical. I especially like your analagy of using your guild to make money with football. However, it does not completely fit. The scenario is that the capes are used to identify players that are skilled and that should get respect for their skill (not who they are as a person). But now, that standard can no longer be used. Those with trimmed capes may have just as well bought it, rather than earned it. How do those that earned it feel about those getting recognition for their "leetness" when all they did was pay for it? It would be like if Joe Montana's jersey read "Trump" and all of the videos had been photoshopped so that Donald Trump's face was their instead of Joe Montana. Montana gets paid a few hundred million dollars, but Donald Trump is recognized as one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. Joe Montana is okay with it (not saying he actually would be, but hypothetically) since he sold it. But how would Dan Marino feel about his Hall-of-Fame induction if Donald Trump was already in...having never played a game of football in his life? The Hall of Fame is not for sale, should status by cape design be? Absolutely respect people for their skills...but how can we identify them if what we used in the past is now for sale?

Its a game.

Who cares?

Play it.

Its not that big of a deal.

People ebay gold.

People buy invites to guilds.

Its the ingame version of ebaying gold.

You can't stop them.

Why does it bother you?

I agree that it is wrong.

But whining about it won't solve anything.

In the end.

It takes a really desperate person with a low low LOW self esteem to buy an invite to a guild.

Instead of getting angry, we should pitty them.

i payed 20k to a silver trim guildand then i got kicked out lol ...
then i never got money back. lol but itll be nice if the eprsn that got kick and person that invited him returns the money to the person tat got kick

This was the conversation about 10 minutes ago....
Actually got some Anet personnel input on the matter... this is just another persons opinion though...

Would you be very pissed if i told you you deserved that?

This is why one should never buy his way into a guild.

ya im still pisss i try pming the person that invited me and then no reply

They may have payed there way in but I can almost guarentee you that they will not get to GvG/HA/ with the core group. All they get to do is walk around showing off there cape, and if they start to annoy the core group, well, they'll probably get booted It's not like paying to join one of the guilds will allow you to actually do any activities with them.

I dont think you understood me...

I ment you deserved to get kicked. Anyone trying to buy fame and glory deserves it.

If someone invites anyone to their guild it's their business and none of yours, if they get bad rep or not.

See me feeling sorry for some noob PvE'er in Kamadan wanting a silver cape the "easy" way and then geting scammed" , Yes I'm really sorry. Not.



Basicly, people have been doing this since ever, the only guild that might have been a bit, erm, unpleasent to people was DeeR, this is basicly like geting power-leveled, or doing that guild hall cheat for survivor, or buying gold off eBay, there are consequences, you cheat, you lose. Maybe if they actually cared about the silver cape that much, they would try and join a gvg guild and maybe take months to get there, but work for it, instead of thinking they can just get the jackpot and buy it off for 10k, lmao 10k.

To Wilhelm, yes, my old guild was sold for 1000k, we were going to lose the trim in about 2 weeks, my leader told him that, do you think they cared? No, they still bought it.

So basicly, to guilds that might get bad rep doing this, erm you're missing the point here, they are only doing this because they will lose trim soon or are going to disband. Blame, I think your friend was selling guild invites because he knew you guys were going to disband soon, no?
To people that might get scammed or not, first, for a PvE'er 10k is nothing, it's like a penny, second, 10k for 24 hours with a trim to walk around showing off and acting like a jerk is a price most of them are willing to pay and don't really care.

To the OP. If like you giving a example, joe only had 9.4k, etc etc, well then I doubt joe knows what a silver cape really means, and should really go play the game more, I don't think new players know, what gold/silver/bronze is until later, unless they start pvp'ing straight away and have friends to tell them, but if you are talking about PvE players, I doubt that.


Peace~

Being kicked after you buy the invite is scamming and wrong. I don't think anyone can back down from that argument.

Buying an invite, selling an invite - aslong as you don't kick the person or what not, it's not scamming. Both parties know what's involved.

If of course, you do get scammed (get kicked). It should teach you a lesson.

I do think these people who do that should be banned though. I would never buy an invite, but I can support the idea of it. Shame it isn't scam free though.

I'm fine with it, as long as they don't kick those who pay for invites. I can understand kicking troublesome members, but otherwise not.

Seeing them sell invites is pretty damn low, but you still shouldnt pay for those invites... its just a problem waiting to happen.

But I lost most respect from higher guilds seeing as how they trash talked and stuff

After seeing what happened to kgyu in the one tournament >_>... wow

Dextus Ironheart 'Anyways its free money we might as well.'

...Selfish


I agree with this post. A Net has given you an inch and now your trying to take a mile. Just enjoy your trim and stop giving the game a bad name.

For the guild that wins the tourny, have all the members in the guild at the time it was earned have the trim. Anyone who joins after doesn't get it. Or make it account-based like titles and have individual cape trims regardless of guild membership. Some solution of that nature would work imo.

Yich, post the screenie!!!!

not sure if this is spreading, or i am just more aware... but i recently saw another gold trim and another silver trimmed guilds selling invites....

Man you guys think you got it bad?
I keep seeing this stuff almost everyday.
Its just messed up.

bumping to revive the topic... after the long weekend figured this could use some fresh replies

Sorry, but when most people play a game, they don't say to each other "Man, I don't think we should sell memberships, our honor will be ruined"....I mean after all, it is a GAME.

Also, if your really that stupid to BUY your way into a guild, than you deserve to get kick. Its pretty obivous that its a scam.

To the people that just started playing and this happened to them:

When you first play a MMO, you should already know there will be scams.

Don't do anything stupid or risky untill you know what is a scam and what is not.

Get a nice list of friends that are exp in the game and ask them about these things.

Is this still going on in HA? I haven't seen it in a while now. All the silver trims must be gone...

Yea, it still goes on every now and then. And no, people still have there trims from the Celestial Tourney.

Most guilds have stopped by now because most people that like to buy there way in are actually getting smart and not doing it anymore.

totally agree with that, guess what I got recently in RA?



who would respect a player like that even he/she is in high rank guild

fully agree as well, yet... doesnt that put a bad taste in your mouth for others from that same guild now?

and i love the ppl in ra, calling other ppl "ra trash".... that always makes me laugh....

sometimes rank is deceiving. On the top of that, if they trash talk when he/she get mad for whatever reason.

usually you can ignore what they say for now and remember whoever that person is. If you're a pvper and got a decent guild bounded by great players, you can easily seek revenge in battles. I mean that's how I normally do it if someone's really annoying...(rarely happen) ^^;

Just a couple comments on member selling:

1, its their guild, and more pvp guild will have on average 10-15 people in the guild. this means they have extra slots to work with. Right now, I am a co-leader of The Black Parades, which is a HA guild, and people request to join fairly often. Im sure its much the same with high ranked guilds. People want in just because you are well known. Thus the basis of Charging for Invites.

2, Its not a scam. Some guilds kick members, and then nobody will pay for an invite again. Usually they allow the members to stay. I saw an earlier post about PUFF. The leader of puff (Goes by LAAL, but that isn't his ingame name, so dont bother) SOLD THE GUILD. The core that got them where they are is now in a different guild. This happens alot, and allows the core team to reap the benefits of their trim, albeit in a touch more permanent way.

3, Seriously. You pay to get an invite, and you are angry if your treated like a 3 year old in the guild? Look at it this way: you are in the guild for the name and the cape, why would you WANT to talk with the officers? The core membership also has no idea of your skill level, so why would they risk a GvG with you. I was talking with LAAL and he said the people who bought invites expected to GvG with the core. WAKE UP. seriously...


Now I dont mind people selling invites. We will never do it in The Black Parades, but that doesn't mean its wrong. Learn which players are in the guild, and treat everyone else like they just weren't in it. If they try and hold it over your head, just tell them you know they bought their invite. If you HA or GvG regularly, you will earn friends and enemies who know who you are, and you will learn who made and is in what guild. Its a neat community. If someone thinks they can jump from PvE to being a member of this community with just 100k gold, they need to think again. It takes much much more then that.



just my two cents

--Angelic Loki
--Co-Leader of The Black Parades

You couldn't have said it better than that.
Selling a membership invite is no scam and I see nothing wrong with that, If the guild decided to sell invitations to random players let them do it, If you're not interested then simply ignore it. Personally I think the ones joining just for the cape trim and that expect to HA/GVG with the core team are immature kids who wanna be popular. If ppl think they can get everything with money they are wrong, sometimes they need to use the brain.

I think the noob-bashing has pretty much finished.

Quite frankly, as has been said, the guilds that sell invites don't care about Joe Scrub's respect; it's not like Joe Scrub is going to convince anyone. Last time I saw Joe Scrub complaining about it in HA ID1, the overwhelming response was: "lrn2GW imo."

And honestly, most of the "o i dont respect u guyz nemoar lolz" comes from the fact that Joe Scrub has to spend hours farming to make the money that those guilds do in ten minutes. If it's jealousy that's driving your concern, lrn2gvg imo. The ladder is for farming... use it.

First of all, I love it how you people compare the actions of those to their real life. Honestly I don't think anyone cares what someone thinks of them in a game. I think they'll be able to sleep at night despite their "morally wrong and dishonorable actions."
Remember people IT'S A GAME. It's their guild they are allowed to do whatever the hell they want with it as long as it complies with the rules of this game. They worked hard for their accomplishment.
I'm pretty sure that they could care less about what few RA/TA/HB/AB/HA players think about them. It's the players not the guild that makes them. As stated earlier the ladder is worthless right now the only real indication left in this game are tournaments.
Blaming selling of invites of top ranked guilds the cause of the death of the competetiveness of GW? LOL... Certain skills and builds have contributed to that. This game's competetiveness is barely hanging to the tiny shreds of life it has left. As stated earlier, "learn2gwimo" kthxbai.

Personally i think what they're doing is fine. They're selling memberships? so what? they earned it, fair play to them. If idiots want to buy glory(albeit short term), let them. I'm not associated with any of these guilds but i am pretty sure that most of you would be doing the same thing if you were in those guilds(myself included).

Just stop buying memberships and this will go away.