The Arena Shouldn't Matter...

I've read the posts and none of them really make a point about what's being argued. The question is, what makes Fame so special that it's the only current Arena where also earning an emote is possible? There's constant arguments about which title is superior; rather that being Gladiator, Champion or Hero. Each and every one of these titles all revolves around the same basic system, teamwork. It doesn't make a difference if it's 4v4, 6v6, or 8v8.

I'm sure that any serious Glads here would all agree that if you're going to make an emote system for Heroes, then there should be an emote system for every other Arena where players work just as hard or even harder to earn their titles. Why should you be forced to HA if you hate it? I guarantee that a rank four gladiator has spent more time earning his title than a rank six or rank seven hero. So what makes HA more superior and getting an emote at the third rank? Take for example, one of my guildies. He's worked on rank eight gladiator for around two years now and has about 1,000 Gladiator Points. Why should he possibly feel insuperior to somebody in a game that's able to display a rank three emote for bragging rights. Oh sure, he could say "Nice Emote, did I mention that I'm a Rank Seven Gladiator," but why should he have to? It probably takes a rank six hero four months to earn a title and emote however, a player that's been working on Gladiator for two years gets nothing?

Anybody can argue, "Oh, well RA is just too easy." Really? Well if it's so easy to get Gladiator Titles, why are there only 5-6 known Rank 7 Gladiators on US's entire server? Say what you want about RA and TA but none of it's easy. You could have four of the best players in the game on your team and still lose. It doesn't even matter what the build is, it's chance. However in HA, if you have six of the best players on your team you're probably going to be rank nine in no time. Remember [MATH] in their prime?

The whole point is that if everybody works equally as hard to earn their titles, then why doesn't everybody get their own specialized emote? A.net obviously allows Heroes to display their titles in game for bragging rights, so why can't Gladiators do the same? Especially in their own house, Random or Team Arenas?

Favoritism Rox! x_x

Not to be blunt, but because the shiny emotes help further attract the noobs who play HA. So while they spend their time grinding for a pretty shiny emote, the real PvP players can GvG and even TA without having to deal with complete noobs.

I totally get your point but what makes these Noobs better than we are that they get an emote to go with their title? Especially considering it's obvious that others work much harder.

It wouldn't matter, the Noobs would still go to HA because it'd be the easiest emote to achieve.

Watz good watz good!?...this is Jezta aka II Court Jezta II from Guiild Wars lol. Ok I totally Agree with Shoe on this one not only cuz hes my boi, but i would LOVE to have an emote for my glad title!...i mean....im Rank 5 now and all i get is the text below me that says.....Terrifying Gladiator...thats all! Then i can come along a measly Rank 3 Hero and he gets a DEER?!...wow i atleast want a Chipmonk or something for the Rank 1 glads lol....I mean come one now...The gladiators and Champions need emotes as well....its just not fair...any ways, help us out.

..::LOL::..:: *)O(* CourtjeztA *)O(* ::..::LOL::.. ..::1::..

If they made an emote rank system for the other arenas what and how would it be?

Gladiator should be every rank (or at least every other).

It would be interesting and awesome if anet looked into it and in fact made it a reality.

I would really like to see what anet's ideas would be for the emotes.

100% with Shoe

I completely agree with Shoe, this would be a great addition to Guild Wars as well as it would attract more people to the arenas.

PLEASE add Gladiator emotes.

Thanks,

-Tab

I totally agree with Shoe as well!!
Not only would emotes for TA ranks further increase interest in PvP aspects of the game, it would generate alot more revenue for Anet. Also i believe the addition of a mini team ranking system incorporated into TA would also create renewed interested in the game as many times people find themselves logged on with only a handfull of guildies or friends online at the same time, making the incentive of gaining glad rank, emotes for your title and some form of mini TA ladder a huge attraction to the MAJORITY of pvp players. Think about it Anet!! Trial it even!!!! It would be a HUGE success!

Check it out I earn my glad points with 10 freakin wins in a row! Each streak takes a fair amount of time usualy 30 minutes to an hour if u even get the glad point, We have to play against the most random players where there are no set group builds, where unseen unused skills come in to play, u have to know what it does aand how to react to it. If u asked a good player who has done Halls and Team or Random arenas, They will tell u gladpoint streaks take much more skill and time than Fame. There are no maps or side games or strategies to win, its 4 players against 4 players Last team standing wins! are u better than all other 4 man teams that come against u, can u beat all the different senarios with the group build u used with out running a relic to win! If u can do it 10 times in a row u get 1 glad point. Id say we have proven our selves worthy of Emotes rank 3 glads + have spent effort and time just as much or more than Fame farmers. Thank u for reading my thoughts on the gladiotor Emotes and giving your time considering our arguments.

More than agree with that statement.

/signed

Completely agrees with what everyone said. Both Gladiator and Champion should get emotes.

Yeh, why is HA so different, it should have it's emotes removed.

That's actually... a really cool idea Thunder... o.0

I 100% agree with what everyone said. A 10 Win streak in the Team Arenas and a win in GvG and even the process of making your guild have 1200+ rating takes much much more skill and time than getting fame. Why is HA special over other PvP types?

/signed

/signed



Couldn't have said it better. HA has nothing over TA and GVG, gladiator and champion titles should have emotes.

the gladiator system was implemented last year upon the release of Factions and was NOT retroactive. He couldn't have spent two years on that...

Oh, sorry I was off for a few months. Regardless of those few months, do you even have a valid point in this argument? Are you trying to say that 1 year and 6 months is much easier to reach rank seven?

So do it... Respond when you get it. Talk to you in August 08 with your Rank Seven Glad. Good luck.

/signed
Every second rank given an emote would be awesome.

Like I've said elsewhere, its not just that gladiator ranks are harder to get and of more merit.. its that anet can do this VERY EASILY

Gladiator emotes:

Rank 1 Red Deer
Rank 3 Red Wolf
Rank 5 Red Tiger
Rank 7 Red Phoenix

Champion Emotes

Rank 1 Black Deer
Rank 3 Black Wolf
Rank 5 Black Tiger
Rank 7 Black phoenix

Perhaps this is not what people want.. but it would be a way for anet to say "Okay gladiators get an emote now"

(scribble code, one day later)

/glad "oooo deer"

Hey, the color idea is the best of all I've seen.

Models are already there... changing skins or even dying the existing ones should do.

The main reason people do HA is to grind emotes. TA and GvG don't have big flashy emotes, so they don't atract these kinds of people -- this is a good thing.

Gladiator title = Killing hundreds of mending wammos, and firestorm monks over and over again.

Stop being jealous of people who play halls, instead of a 4v4 environment in which the game is not meant to be played in. If halls is the least skilled and easyiest PvP mode why don't prove it and get rank 9 in a day and rank twelve in a week.

If I were to follow your line of reasoning, HA is killing hundreds of searing flame eles over and over again...
Except, of course, you can make progress in the title by just killing one team, then dying. Gladiator title, you actually have to keep winning a bit. Not that I disagree with you completely, but I do think rank3 gladiator takes a heck of a lot longer to obtain than rank3 hero. Also, afaik, most people don't get high ranks in gladiator by doing RA, they do TA, which does require at least a modicum of teamwork/skill. No mending wammos there.

I agree that the other PvP modes should get emotes. Champion, even rank1, is more indicative of your pvp skill than rank3 (and probably 6) hero, and yet no emote. For those saying that an emote will draw a bunch of noobs to gvg, 1) if they're noobs and you're good, you won't have to play them anyway, and 2) if they're noobs, there's no chance of them playing a high enough ranked game to get champion points, so no hope of a title for them.

Maybe it's because HA is global, that's probably why they give emotes to the fame titles.

meh. the reason they give emotes for HA and not TA/RA is simply because gladiator didn't come out until after emotes for HA did. If we complain enough, we may get an update

Umm thats no line of reasoning and as the poster below you said high level glads do it in TA, if you're a group of skilled players you will go far in TA if not you won't, same as HA only you get nothing for making 9 in TA ^^

We have some amazingly skilled players in our guild and I'm sure this is the same with other TA guilds not to mention GVG guilds!
People choose which form of pvp they like the best and it's unfair that only HA gets recognition in the form of an emote. I'm sure there are huge amounts of very skilled players which are in the same situation.

The truth is titles mean little about skill in PVP, there are plenty of high-ranked nubs; titles really represent an investment of time more than anything. Some people get better with experience while others play poorly no matter how many faction points and other accolades they have accumulated.

As someone pointed out, the fame emote predates titles altogether, fame was the former barometer of time-investment and probably would never have existed if the faction system had been conceived first. It could be argued that since it came before, and persists as a sort of legacy, that the "specialness" of having emotes tied to it should just remain unique. However, because fame is now linked with the title system, PVP in HA seems unfairly glorified over other arenas since it is rewarded with a title and an emote.

Because of this, I think it's reasonable to implement emotes for the other title tracks. The question is where to draw the line, should AB and Hero Battles get emotes too? How about Tyrian Explorer? Clearly it could get out of hand. I think emotes could be justifiably restricted to PVP titles, since they are much more difficult to obtain. Also, AB and Hero Battles aren't "core" arenas in the sense of RA/TA, HA and GVG, so I don't think it would be grossly inequitable to omit them.

Adding Gladiator and Champion emotes would satisfy a lot of people, generate more interest in PVP, and make the reward system somewhat more balanced.

Yeh, more grinders interested only in flashy emotes, this is a good thing?

See, this is that single Hero in a heavy post of Gladiators that I knew we'd hear from. I even knew what he was going to say before he clicked the [Submit Reply] button.

So, you're speaking of achieving Gladiator through RA, are you? Well considering that half of the time you have the mending wammo and firestorm monk on your team, tell me how you think this is easy? I mean I'm sure you can generally solo your team to 10 conseq because of your amazing skills but put some actual "thought" into a post before you waste your time. =/

Don't try to discriminate against what we're trying to do just because it took you ten months to get your Bambi.

Also instead of saying, "Why don't you go get rank 9 in a day/12 in a week" or w/e nonsense you were trying to prove, do realize that I have no intention of wasting my time in HA. Didn't I already mention, "Why should you be forced to HA if you hate it?" Yes, I think I did somewhere. Also, your infamous post is ironically a reverse reject on what was already said.

/copy
Stop being so original...

As a final note, I'd just like to add: I can totally see why you might think that an official 4v4 arena setup by A.Net is an area of the game not meant to be played in. (Did this statement make absolutely no sense to anybody else?) Anyways, you probably think this because you wonder why your team of 2 SF Eles, 1 BoA Sin, and RC Monk get rolled within the first three TA matches. Of course you'd call it an area not meant to be played in. I've had my share of laughs at Heroes that try to TA as I'm sure everybody else has. The reason why you get rolled is not because it's an Arena not meant to be played in but that it requires a completely different strategy to succeed. So tell me again, what makes you better than us?

Nah, people who "grind emotes" often *hides... suck and just want to stand out in the game, so attacting more of them to RA would give good RA players some good laughs as they learn to RA the hard way.

HUGE SUGGESTION FOR RA!

Don't take the team to the Team Arena UNTIL everyone on the team has reached 10 wins!!!

Lets get the thread back on track.

You either believe glad and champ titles deserve emotes or you don't, no rants about HA.

So sign or don't sign.

It probably takes more skill to IWAY your fame then to get glad points. Gladiator title is just like saying, "I rage all groups that don't have a monk, so I'm good at this game."

The only thing halls has left going for it is emotes, if you take that away, you might as well delete it from the game because no one will play it anymore.

You must be incredible bad at this game if it took you ten months to get R3.

You don't need emotes, emotes are a unique reward for winning HA battles, a title is enough for other game modes.

Don't forget as well as champ points, GvG gets you Obs mode, money, and capes. Arenas only get you a title beacuse this game is based on 8v8 not 4v4.

Dude, dont smack talk, getting glads takes skill, just as much as HA. Dont be a dork.
Are you saying that because its a stupid system, and that RA/TA are superior? Would implementing emotes for Glads/champs stop you from HAing? I think if you like HA, you HA. If you like RA/TA you RA/TA. And HA still has the advantage of booty, nothing like a 27k sigil or a million dollar sword drop to keep motivation up...

You are right, we dont NEED emotes, we just think that emotes would be a nice recognition for time put into another area of PvP. That fun little bonus that makes gaining ranks that little more interesting. Plus spiking a red deer over some chump that has been smack talking would be cool.


HA gets you obs mode, items and your name splashed over every screen in the game, what is your point? If this game is based on 8v8 then why are you against champ emotes? after all HA was 6v6 for a significant period (one in which Koss won a fair bit, OMG WHY WERE YOU CHEAPENING YOURSELVES?!?!?!!)

This in no way cheapens HA, only gives those players that prefer arenas and high level gvg that little bit of bling.

Cheers to Yule for catching that ridiculous thread before I had a chance to grab ahold of it. Totally agree with every statement made...

I especially would love the opportunity to implement the point of the whole 8v8 idea. Up until WOW, (checks calendar) THIS weekend I recall HA being 6v6? So are you saying that all that time you've wasted was based off a game that is supposed to be played 8v8? Well up until and I'll say again, THIS WEEKEND weren't you doing 6v6 battles? You've done it again man, your attempted excuse as a point makes absolutely no sense and wouldn't have mattered anyways.

This is not a thread to hear Heroes cry about their precious emotes but a chance to implement the emote among different and more skilled types of PvP. So far you're losing and as long as every Gladiator and Champion out there has a chance to respond to this thread, you will continue to lose.

Why respond?

FYI: If this is indeed implemented, the HA arena will still be full of nubs for you to pwn. You might even get your precious rank 15 faster this way as all skilled players will be moving along to TA and GvG. Hey, it's the bright side of life for you.

Turn that frown upside down.

Lol, build wars and random arenas takes skill, lol that's funny.


Chest drops are meaningless because most of the time they suck, and many PvP players don't PVE.

Why don't you just go ahead and get a deer if you really want to, 180 fame is almost nothing.


I'm against champ emotes because emotes are a unique reward for HA

I haven't mentioned this yet before but think it needs to be brought up with you guys that commented on changing the color codes and what not of the emotes.

Now, I could go into the whole system of which gladiator rank needs to be [insert emote here] but my personal opinion is a little more evolved solely based off of skill. I for one, do not think that we should have the same emote. Especially for the vast fluctuation of skill involving HA and TA teams.

For example, GvGers or TAers, let's say you were trying to form a TA team based off of titles that would guarantee you 10 conseq in "our" house. Considering that most R3 and R4 heroes are a joke, who would you consider more? A Rank 3 Gladiator standing pub or a Rank 3 Hero? A Rank 4 Gladiator or a Rank 4 Hero? It takes so much more skill to reach R3 and R4 Gladiators than it does heroes that the comparison of the two is just ridiculous.

Based off what I've seen I'll throw together a little guide that shows some skill comparisons. Please feel free to comment on this as it all belongs in the same thread, I believe.

R1 Gladiator ---> Rank 3-4 Hero (easily)
R2 Gladiator ---> Rank 4-6 Hero
R3 Gladiator ---> Rank 7-9
R4 Gladiator ---> Rank 9-10
R5 Gladiator ---> Rank 11
R6 Gladiator ---> Rank 12
R7 Gladiator ---> Rank 13-14
R8 Gladiator ---> Rank 15

As pathetic as it looks on the "Heroes" side, I believe this to be an extremely close if not exact comparison based off of "skill."

How many R3 or R4 Heroes have you seen out there that play exactly like R1 Gladiators? That play worse than R1 Gladiators? The model is a stretch for Heroes more than it is for us Glads.

I think that the ranking system should totally be A.Net's opinion. Don't necessarily think that we need to implement our ideas on such as it's probably not going to make a difference. These guys play the game as much as we do and probably understand the "skill" system as much as we do, boys & girls.

Besides, I want to be unique. I want absolutely nothing to do with Heroes or HA. It makes me sick to my stomach.

E.X.A.C.T.L.Y.

R3 Glads > R3 Heroes...
God, how I wish the post directly after Randomway's was submitted minutes before he did. I was actually typing the message when he [Posted Reply]. This further proves my point on the rankings system.

It's easier to get R3 Hero than it is R1 Glad obviously because R3 Hero is almost nothing. Gladiator actually takes a little bit of work. GG, Randomway.

Way to make more pot shots instead of actual arguments...

Im guessing with a statement like this you have never actually TAed, there is a lot of skill involved in actually getting a 10 win streak. Build wars could easily apply to HA though, where it is all about the build, very little to do with tactics/skill (and yes, i have played both and do know what im on about...)
Watch obs mode sometime, i think youll find that a lot of pvpers do pve, hence the huge amounts of FoW armour, tormented shields, Mursaat hammers etc. that you see in there. "Pimpin your ride" is something that a lot of pvpers pride themselves on.

I have a deer. I still think that glads and champs should have rewards of a similar kind. There is nothing special about HA.
Under the proposed changes, your emote would still be unique. There would just be other unique emotes.

/Unsigned for emotes for Gladiator points.

...But I'd sign for removal of emotes all together. It's only fair, eh?

I dislike HA because it takes too long to find a party or at least a decent party. I stick to RA because you don't need to find a party (save 10 mins) but take the chance of having a non-decent party. Imo it is a lot more difficult to gain glad points than fame (eg countless times I've got 9 wins and lost on 10 or err 7 or went to TA). I think it would be pretty cool to add an emote system to the other pvp areas. The only reason I can think of for not having an emote for other pvp is because I think HA was devolved before gladiator points and symbolized to ur "area" that u were a hero and got favor for them. But now that there's been numerous updates, I think that there should be a little something else for glad and champ titles.

actually glad points are only matter of luck, they do not show skill level at all