Originally Posted by Shuuda
As far as I care, an elitist is someone who ACTS better than others because they are richers, this turns into a form of bulling (or Discrimination) and the elitists simple assume that people don't like them out of jealousy and therefore dismiss their opinions like you have offen done to me.
This is where I can only agree with you the most. However, the moment you meet a player that is rich and just happens to love collecting armor is already an elitist. Don't worry, you aren't that special. There's a lot of players that will huff and puff and find all sorts of bad reasons for another's success, despite the ones you already accomplished, but I guess for you it isn't enough, is it? Awww!! As I said before, you make an overuse of that term.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shuuda
The point is, you buy armor because YOU like it, not so that you can impress people. In my belief, people who constantly try to look good to impress others are rather pathetic. Be yourself and nothing more!
Um...so because I have many sets of ascended armor, I guess that must mean I'm a snob.Only because I have so many sets. Sure.  Wow, from what it looks like, you seem to be swirling some of your real life issues into Guild Wars way too much. Getting bullied in High School too much? Geez.
If I wanted so badly to impress people the way you are putting it, then I'd be in a Kurzick Faction Farming Guild running the Lutgardis Conservatory quest 24/7 just to help keep a pointless imaginary town. I play Guild Wars for myself and just because I seem to be very fond of the different cultures of armor I shouldn't be persecuted for it. Just because not everyone floats your boat and would rather take themselves on a pleasure cruise doesn't make a snob and a noob. Look it's not my fault you're beneath me. It's just how things are meant to be. Deal with it or not.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Vnewbie
Oh boy, this thread is quickly spiralling out of control...
15k Armor =/= to good player, BUT with the "hated" classes (ie. assassin) it normally indicates that the player has some pretty good skill to at least spend the time getting the armor. HOWEVER, it can also mean that their farming 55 monk or Wammo farmed the world to kingdom come because they think sin armor looks better.
I only use 1.5k canthan shrouded armor, and I can rip mobs to shreds in PvE (no, I am NOT using DB). And those mobs aren't lv 2 Mantid Drones :P More like 2-3 lv 20+
You aren't wrong there. However to get to the armor too your assassin has to be able to reach the places to get them. You're character do have their own map. I'm sure you are a pretty good assassin, however when you meet so many bad ones at the majority of the time and you just want to get by one of those time-clocked master missions, you just don't want to waste time, so quick judgements are always in the mix. As long you do what makes you happy, who cares what others say.
17 Apr 2007 at 17:11 - 210
Don't judge a class on their armors~~
17 Apr 2007 at 17:33 - 211
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yanman.be
Don't judge a class on their armors~~
Of course not, but let's stay on topic.
Why do people hate on the assassins so much? What could the solutions be? How are you sure you can trust an assassin player (even when used a favored wiki build, which yet many still get slaughtered) that wont try and be a tank even if you warned him not to?
17 Apr 2007 at 17:47 - 212
1) Back in them days, no I wasn't anthing great, and nor were you, not that we are now, were just 1 in millions of assassins.
2)I mentioned my armors because you keep implying that I don't have them, and are jealous, don't turn it against me
Quote:
The screenshot section is for screenshots, so of course I'd post them there. And to those hating on it would be jealous, and maybe a bit racist. And honestly you don't think people wouldn't get those people are one person...you. LOL. You're jealous outrages scream loudly.
|
Yes, but you didn't post them there after you made 2 topics to show off, and each time a mod told you not to post here. Once more, incorrectly implying my Jealousy. A typical elitist way of trying to undermine me, I like to cause outrages, I like to let you know I don't like you. It's rather comical how you deny your strong elitism by try in insult back.
Quote:
Wow, from what it looks like, you seem to be swirling some of your real life issues into Guild Wars way too much. Getting bullied in High School too much? Geez.
WOW, why did I see this coming, you mentioning something that has nothing to do with this subject in order to undermine me, LOL, YES, I have issues in life, and I'm not ashamed to admit it, I'd rather have them issues than live a normal life. True they have twisted me slightly, but I have the willpower to keep going no matter what happens, it builds character. Normal = boring and no challenge, is that the life you lead?
Remember, I'm not the only person who questioned you, there were plenty of others.
Your elitism screams out to me, in the way you constantly try to undermine me with, the "Jealousy" or "you have issues" thing.
Quote:
Look it's not my fault you're beneath me. It's just how things are meant to be. Deal with it or not.
That truely is elitist, just the kind of snob attitude that makes me sick, and you say that I lie, but just how do you plan to prove this over a forum? What are you gonna do next huh, PM me in game to insult me(If you have the guts), or make so offenive posts about me somewhere, it's normally the next step after this.
Ok, now shall we go back on topic, with that out of the way, I'll ignore anymore lies he insults me with.
People hate assassins because of:
1)Many mistaked Assassins for Ninjas
2) they were the 1st melee class without the high armor warriors had, so unlike the Dervish, the low AL on melee was new to people.
3)Like Flux said, using a wiki build, you can get slaughtered still, it's one thing to put the right skills on a bar, but it requires more to use the them skills right. If people take builds off wiki and expect them to work instantly, they are doomed to fail.
17 Apr 2007 at 17:57 - 213
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shuuda
1) Back in them days, no I wasn't anthing great, and nor were you, not that we are now, were just 1 in millions of assassins.
2)I mentioned my armors because you keep implying that I don't have them, and are jealous, don't turn it against me
|
Don't need to. It's something you've already turned against yourself and clearly way before you encounted me.
Quote:
Originally Posted by shuuda
Yes, but you didn't post them there after you made 2 topics to show off, and each time a mod told you not to post here. Once more, incorrectly implying my Jealousy. A typical elitist way of trying to undermine me, I like to cause outrages, I like to let you know I don't like you. It's rather comical how you deny your strong elitism by try in insult back.
Gee I undermine you? Haven't gotten any hugs lately, huh? And you don't like me? What a surprise (sarcasm). Well to dislike anyone over the internet is quite petty of you, but you don't know any better so next....
It's unnecesary to hinge the rest because this thread is about. If an Elitist to you is a snob because they won't give you the loving tenderness you never get in your twisted life, thanks god I am one then.
17 Apr 2007 at 18:11 - 214
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phantom Flux
Don't need to. It's something you've already turned against yourself and clearly way before you encounted me.
Gee I undermine you? Haven't gotten any hugs lately, huh? And you don't like me? What a surprise (sarcasm). Well to dislike anyone over the internet is quite petty of you, but you don't know any better so next....
It's unnecesary to hinge the rest because this thread is about. If an Elitist to you is a snob because they won't give you the loving tenderness you never get in your twisted life, thanks god I am one then.
Petty? Look at what you have written, your no better.  Not liking someone over the internt, it's just a petty as how you undermine someone over the internet. Natuarlly nothing you have said does not prove your better, not once in insulting me have you proven anything. You too have show your bad side like me. Now, I'm going to stop messing, you can accept it equallity, or you can keep insulting, and lower yourself beneth me.
17 Apr 2007 at 18:33 - 215
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shuuda
Petty? Look at what you have written, your no better. Not liking someone over the internt, it's just a petty as how you undermine someone over the internet. Natuarlly nothing you have said does not prove your better, not once in insulting me have you proven anything. You too have show your bad side like me. Now, I'm going to stop messing, you can accept it equallity, or you can keep insulting, and lower yourself beneth me.
LOL, oh darn, where's the fun in that?
17 Apr 2007 at 19:00 - 216
Wow this thread has gotten out of hands since I posted... uhh... I'm gonna go finish Sorrow's Furnace now... k.
Have fun with, whatever you guys were doing 
Assassins ftw!
17 Apr 2007 at 19:27 - 217
I believe the OP's purpose was to band assassins together, and obviously we have a dispute.
To get back on topic(Assassin Hate) I think that people take the assassin profession too seriously such as, I'VE GOTTA KILL THIS GUY!!!!!!!ONE!!!. This leads to not kiting/teleporting out before they die. If you just have fun and pay attention you wont die as much. Unless your idea of fun is tanking ^^
17 Apr 2007 at 19:38 - 218
Flashing blades does make it possible for an assassin to tank, as far as PvE goes, and naturally, most assassins should take some kind of self heal.
17 Apr 2007 at 19:49 - 219
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shuuda
Flashing blades does make it possible for an assassin to tank, as far as PvE goes, and naturally, most assassins should take some kind of self heal.
Yes, if you want to fight all melee characters.
No, if you want to fight a balanced party.
17 Apr 2007 at 19:53 - 220
Ah, just take vig spirit or whatever, always works for me.
17 Apr 2007 at 20:01 - 221
As I said before and I will say again I have no problems with the class but with many of the people who play the class and reading this post only cements my point of view. I will take a good sin on a mission anytime but most sins I come across have a elitist attitude they dont want to follow any sort of plan they think its all about them and how great they are or how wonderful they look in their armor, they are rude and call anyone and everyone a noob for not better reason then the fact that they think they are better then everyone else, A few of my friend have sins and I will play with them anytime but to pug with a sin is just asking for a headach and a failed mission with them blaming everyone else or just leaving half way through... the class is fine its the class of many of people who play sins that the problem lies. I have found that sins in general seem to be rude, crude, nasty self centered and all around jerks (not saying that all sins are like this and there are many people that play other classes that are the same way just that the sin profession seems to gather more of these types then other professions.)
17 Apr 2007 at 20:02 - 222
Ill stick with my AoD builds. I can honestly say my favorite skill 
17 Apr 2007 at 20:34 - 223
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Bishop Stone
As I said before and I will say again I have no problems with the class but with many of the people who play the class and reading this post only cements my point of view. I will take a good sin on a mission anytime but most sins I come across have a elitist attitude they dont want to follow any sort of plan they think its all about them and how great they are or how wonderful they look in their armor, they are rude and call anyone and everyone a noob for not better reason then the fact that they think they are better then everyone else, A few of my friend have sins and I will play with them anytime but to pug with a sin is just asking for a headach and a failed mission with them blaming everyone else or just leaving half way through... the class is fine its the class of many of people who play sins that the problem lies. I have found that sins in general seem to be rude, crude, nasty self centered and all around jerks (not saying that all sins are like this and there are many people that play other classes that are the same way just that the sin profession seems to gather more of these types then other professions.)
I blame rap music.....and Naruto.
17 Apr 2007 at 21:26 - 224
I honestly can't remember the last time I had/saw any 'assassin hate', I thought those days were over. Don't judge people by their armour, what if they simply don't like the 5/10/15k armours. Although I admit a more dedicated assassin player would probably buy the more expensive armour, not everybody is the same(that's not a bad thing either).
17 Apr 2007 at 22:05 - 225
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiba of hidden leaf
Ill stick with my AoD builds. I can honestly say my favorite skill
Aod is my favorite Assassin Skill too. I also like Shadow Meld. With them you step in and out when it gets good and nasty. Even when you get disenchanted, it's still all good.
Flashing blades however, a bit overrated. Yes bring a self heal since most of the monk players you'd encouter would refuse to heal an assassin, but if you are to use flashing blades, atleast bring a smart shadow step in and out skill. With FB you're a generic tank. You maybe half as good as a warrior, but in the long run, it's just another Assassin build reinforcing why people mostly hate on assassins.
17 Apr 2007 at 23:22 - 226
imo, it all comes to this:
One Must Know When To Get In And When To Get Out.
ive played an assassin, and probably more importantly, ive played monk with an assassin in my party. imo, if the assassin knows how to fully utilize the window of opportunity he has to unleash his stuff, then he IS a good player.
imo, armor and titles dont tell anything. ive played with an assassin with a survivor title, and all he did in the party was spam healing spells and staying at the back. armor, on the other hand just tells you how "financially blessed" he is.
to really know how an assassin plays, the only way is to invite him to the party. if he keeps getting killed, tell him what he's doing wrong. and if he doesn't listen, then dont heal him at all.
18 Apr 2007 at 03:30 - 227
Quote:
Originally Posted by ensoriki
I blame rap music.....and Naruto.
Even people who dont know what Naruto is will just act like a ninja. Blame it or not, its not the reason. For the rap part, I would like an explanation because I don't get it(is it making them go TO THE WINDOWS! TO THE WALL!)LOL!
Edit: I know why Naruto and dead sin come together now. Mostly young kids like naruto and this game requires you to make mature thoughts to stay alive. Sorry if I was a little slow on that.
18 Apr 2007 at 10:20 - 228
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phantom Flux
Aod is my favorite Assassin Skill too. I also like Shadow Meld. With them you step in and out when it gets good and nasty. Even when you get disenchanted, it's still all good.
Flashing blades however, a bit overrated. Yes bring a self heal since most of the monk players you'd encouter would refuse to heal an assassin, but if you are to use flashing blades, atleast bring a smart shadow step in and out skill. With FB you're a generic tank. You maybe half as good as a warrior, but in the long run, it's just another Assassin build reinforcing why people mostly hate on assassins.
Flashing blades is actually better than most warrior stances for tanking, due to 2 simple reasons 1) it can be kept up all the time. 2) It takes out no point from your weapon mastery (To get lots out of a warrior stance you must invest into tactics/ strength)
AoD is still an awsmoe skill dispite being a bit uncommon these days, I normally take Shadow walk, it pretty much the same idea as AoD but frees my elite slot for something else.
At 1st glance Shadow Meld looks just like recall, but the difference between them is rather important. For example, flag running, you activate SM outside of the area of combat, when you need to run the flag, you can end SM and get safely far out of the battle, which would be harder to do with recall. It also has uses in RA/TA where you can use it to get out of action if you need some time to res a teammate.
Speaking of uncommon elites, Mark of Insecrity has always looked attractive to me, pack deadly paradox and some Deadly arts or Mesmer skills, and it could prove to be annoying shut down.
18 Apr 2007 at 10:32 - 229
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiba of hidden leaf
Ill stick with my AoD builds. I can honestly say my favorite skill
When Factions beta came out and I unlocked this elite I knew I was gonna have fun in AB
18 Apr 2007 at 11:08 - 230
why hate assassin? As a fellow assasin user I would think all you assassin haters are crazy. assassins are as good as all other meele combatants, people just dont understand their capaibility. just because they played with one or two thats not really good doesnt mean all of them are no good. The only real problem are the people using them not the character class.
ppl like warriors because they have fat health and can take lots of beating with monks constantly healing them as their first priority.
ppl like deverish because they have the forms and lots of fancy area dmg attacks and enchanments.
but they are both liability as well to a group if the players who use them is not good. I have played with lots of players who uses warriors and deverish but they die almost as much as assassins.
pluse assassin players are not the only ones that leaves half way through missions many people leaves doesnt matter what class they use.
and alot of people like to boast about their skill and builds as well why does everyone just point fingers at assassins and say they are the only one that does it?
if you ask me the only real thing to hate is players who think they are better than everyone else boasting about their armour and skill being perfect and telling others that they are noobs.
(I have gotten masters for all the missions with only henches and heros for bothe factions and night fall with my assassin and i dont see whats bad about them)
18 Apr 2007 at 11:12 - 231
Why did you call us crazy when many of us are defending assassin?
Don't take that as an insult, everything else you have said I agree with.
18 Apr 2007 at 11:22 - 232
 ah sry for that i found out i had a error in my sentencing so i changed it XD to (All you assassin haters) XD
18 Apr 2007 at 12:57 - 233
I don't hate assassins it is just I have so many bad experiences with them that I rather not risk it in pve. Especially the infamous naruto assassins. I advoid any assassin with the name umikaze,naruto,sasuke, and kakashi. In pvp though I will gladly take an assassin with out me because they rock in pvp. I think the BoA build pre nerf didn't help the assassin's image. I personally had no problem with it since I knew how to conter it <3 blind.
In pve survivability is very important. I have seen assassins carry just shadow refuge on their skillbar as a heal and I don't see the logic in it. You have much better spike heals like death's retreat,heart of the shadow, etc. Shadow refuge is good against degen but if the dgen is soo much then one would think it is best to port out.
But i think assassins make great secondary proffessions for most proffessions.
18 Apr 2007 at 15:31 - 234
I wish there was a cure for stupidity... /sigh
Quote:
Originally Posted by ensoriki
I blame rap music.....and Naruto.
Yes. War on Narutards!
18 Apr 2007 at 16:01 - 235
There is a cure for stupidity, it's called a good education.
18 Apr 2007 at 18:00 - 236
ya ma kidz r ganna get sum edumacazion
18 Apr 2007 at 20:38 - 237
[QUOTE=Spartan Link] why hate assassin? As a fellow assasin user I would think all you assassin haters are crazy.
{/QOUTE]
I don't see many reasons why people would hate sins either, but if their argument is logical than why would they be crazy?
[QOUTE]
assassins are as good as all other meele combatants, people just dont understand their capaibility. just because they played with one or two thats not really good doesnt mean all of them are no good. The only real problem are the people using them not the character class.
[/QOUTE] Most people are not basing from a once or twice scenario they either do this from personal experience of finding the class hard, or many failed attempts. The real problem is not always the people using them, well of course it is in a way, but most people started GW when warrior was the only melee class. They would try to play it like a warrior, and in other MMO's an assassin class would not have shadow step capabilities, their used to charging in. Though ya, not the classes fault.
[QOUTE]
ppl like warriors because they have fat health and can take lots of beating with monks constantly healing them as their first priority.
ppl like deverish because they have the forms and lots of fancy area dmg attacks and enchanments.
[/QOUTE] Warriors dont have fat health, they have health Adjustments, but so does ritualist and monks, and Rangers have symbiosis.... and anything can take a beating now your just making warriors seem useless (although I kinda think they are)
Don't go smacking the dervish please...its just like....not cool. Dervishes had to go through some of the beef sins went through.
[QOUTE]
but they are both liability as well to a group if the players who use them is not good. I have played with lots of players who uses warriors and deverish but they die almost as much as assassins.
pluse assassin players are their skill and builds as well why does everyone just point fingers at assassins and say they are the only one that does it?
[/QOUTE] The thing is a Liability which isnt as hard to screw up. I mean a idiot MM would be pretty annoying but well the build is noob friendly. so is some dervish stuff, would you rather have something where if someone messes up they can easily screw themselves or a class where idiots can fix themselves. Your other point is giving me a headache.
[Qoute}
if you ask me the only real thing to hate is players who think they are better than everyone else boasting about their armour and skill being perfect and telling others that they are noobs.
[/Qoute} So you wish to hate 3/4 of the GW community...
...mmm I just needed someone to nitpick on.
Assassins are a great class and stuff, but from the latest skill changes I've seen, A-Net is trying to make everything else even better
18 Apr 2007 at 20:41 - 238
hai guise wuts goin on in dis thread? is dis p2p? im so confused help me pls i dun know wuts goin on!!!! dis is kl u guys r kl ninjas hi im new
OK
so can this thread go back on the actual topic please?
^poster above, its called "quote", not "qoute".
18 Apr 2007 at 20:51 - 239
And [ != { && ] != }
18 Apr 2007 at 20:51 - 240
Quote:
Originally Posted by ensoriki
Quote:
if you ask me the only real thing to hate is players who think they are better than everyone else boasting about their armour and skill being perfect and telling others that they are noobs.
So you wish to hate 3/4 of the GW community...
...mmm I just needed someone to nitpick on.
Assassins are a great class and stuff, but from the latest skill changes I've seen, A-Net is trying to make everything else even better
Uhh? Assassins have been buffed more than any other class in the game so far. Other than BoA(which was VERY MUCH needed, and still easily replaced, and which isn't even an assassin skill) Assassin's haven't been nerfed much at all. Sharpen Daggers, Deadly Paradox, and Feigned Neutrality were the only real big ones, and they are all easily replaced.
And about the boasting about certain game aspects, its true. Armor means nothing more than you are willing to spend many hours of your life to achieve something based entirely on looks. FOW armor has no advantages over 1.5k shing jea armor TBH. I mean I agree its great to look nice and unique in the game, but boasting about getting it? That only shows one thing, and I'm not going to say it because I'll get flamed straight out of GW. It's usually the same with other achievements, anyone can get them as long as they are willing to invest the time to do it. Some people do just need to realize that it's a game...
BUT back on topic: Assassins. Anyone seeing any differences in PUGs lately? I wouldn't know as I've been on my Ritualist and Warrior getting through the games, but hopefully some people are being a bit smarter about Assassins(and other characters) in teams. For example if your team leader doesn't ask everyone to present their builds and ping skills, leave the party. It won't be going far. Hopefully new players are learning how to play them correctly as well... I hate seeing other assassins and realizing how badly they play when the person behind them isn't serious about it.
| | | |
