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Aegeroth

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

Sydney, AUS.

Sons of Dark Magicians [SoDM]

N/Me

02 Apr 2007 at 09:48 - 1

So today i was in RA, and, heh, no great shock, my entire party leaves me sitting dry.

But im a fighter, and a mesmer, so i stick it through, almsot killed an Ele 4 v 1. I was doing random stuff like singing through Chat.. but thats not my point;
This is:

I'd like to know why im considered
"Douche"
For remaining in an RA and not bailing just because we were one player short?

Anyone got answer as to why playing the game makes me douche?

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TheLichMonky

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

Does it matter?

Im to good for guilds

02 Apr 2007 at 10:04 - 2

Lol its not the reason, they were probably mad because they wanted you to leave and save them a few seconds >:l

Aegeroth

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

Sydney, AUS.

Sons of Dark Magicians [SoDM]

N/Me

02 Apr 2007 at 10:06 - 3

i just wanted a full game, not my fault my team wrecked it for me.

so i just plodded on, anyway i reckon im the person who least derserved the grand title of "Douche".

deserter'sfactionpentaltyplsanet!

Etta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Mancland, British Empire

02 Apr 2007 at 10:09 - 4

Welcome to RA.

Kas

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

02 Apr 2007 at 10:44 - 5

I still wonder who told the RA Players that someone is more likely to do something when you show them your impressive collection of childish insults. I mean seriously, did any monk ever stop kiting just because the warrior was shouting "stop running noob". Did any runner ever leave when someone called him "Moron"? Doubt it, yet people think that's the way to go and if their insult did not work, it must not have been impressive enough. Time for another.

Cass

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

02 Apr 2007 at 11:54 - 6

I don't approve of the insult, but if you consider the sequence of events, you were being selfish.

So you wanted a match, but your team left you ("no heal, no chance" mentality, for better or worse). You were denied this match at that point. But then you decide to exact a toll on the opposing team too. Although they cannot fix things for you, you force them to stay with you while you waste time "fighting" (singing?) a pointless battle 4v1 until the timer ran out. You forced them to waste their time, punishing them for the leavers on your team.

IMO the right thing to do there is to leave. If it was a matter of 1 kill and they win, then you may indulge and get yourself slain. But on a timed map it's not nice.

Coridan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

US

Old Married Gamers {OMG}

W/

02 Apr 2007 at 12:18 - 7

^^ i have to agree with that....its not like its hard to get a group in RA...just exit out and enter again and hope for the best..

Tiyuri

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

02 Apr 2007 at 12:25 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aegeroth

I was doing random stuff like singing through Chat..

Ho Hum .

Xenex Xclame

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

DPX

R/

02 Apr 2007 at 12:26 - 9

The right thing do is is whatever you want, but that doesn't mean you should go on a leaving or leeching rampage in RA.

Do whatever you want, even if it is annoying to the other cause you both know you will not win, who knows maybe you can kill one or two of them when they slip up.

Hell i know i get that sometimes when i go RA with my Air ele, even if my whole team leaves i will stay and quite a few times i can get a kill, most of the time thats all i care about, just not letting them get flawless.

The thing is you just happend to have done that in the kill count map, which sucks for the other team, if it was any other map they would have killed you fast,unless you just ran around,which would be lame, if your gonna stay ,stay and fight try and kill one.So yes if it was another map you would have died fast and you wouldn't have "wasted" their time.

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

02 Apr 2007 at 12:26 - 10

Well, Cass, that would be true if he was just running around, trying to stay alive. It sounds to me that he was actually fighting (almost killed an ele), and more or less just trying his best, possibly hoping that he got a real bunch of idiots. But, meh. Fine line between griefing, stupidity, and courage.

Diddy bow

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

Jawsome!!!!!!!!!!!

looking for one :p

A/D

02 Apr 2007 at 12:31 - 11

Its accually possible to WIN 4v1 in ra i did with flashing blades of all things

But ye there just idiots

The Last Cruzader

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

Who Kicked Down Our [Door]

W/A

02 Apr 2007 at 12:38 - 12

Well at least you didn't try to run the whole game.... that's what gets on my nerves in RA, but eh expect your ignore list to get full every now and then

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

02 Apr 2007 at 13:50 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cass

You forced them to waste their time, punishing them for the leavers on your team.

1. They were going to have to play 2:00 if they faced a full team.
2. The OP forced them to play 2:00.

I don't see how it "wasted their time"....

XvArchonvX

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

R/

02 Apr 2007 at 13:54 - 14

@ OP: Stand around in any district of RA and read local chat for a while. You will quickly learn that many of the people there really don't need a reason to act like a half-pubescent insecure, loud mouth brat.

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

02 Apr 2007 at 17:30 - 15

Funny that ppl say it was Aegeroth who was being selfish but not a word about those ragequitters, which are to blame...

Sigh...

Zui

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

Mo/

02 Apr 2007 at 17:47 - 16

...You're griefing the other team and making fun of it. Do you honestly expect anything less from people who've just had 3 minutes of their time wasted by you feeling the need to type random crap (or 'sing' if you prefer) in local chat? I'd be pretty RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing pissed if I were on the other team, too.

Shmanka

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

In Your Head

The Brave Will Fall [Nion]

Me/

02 Apr 2007 at 17:55 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zui

...You're griefing the other team and making fun of it. Do you honestly expect anything less from people who've just had 3 minutes of their time wasted by you feeling the need to type random crap (or 'sing' if you prefer) in local chat? I'd be pretty RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing pissed if I were on the other team, too.

They had to play for a full 2 minutes and could have possibly lost anyway if the OP's team still stayed? /ggkthxplzmakeanewaccount?

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

02 Apr 2007 at 17:57 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jetdoc

1. They were going to have to play 2:00 if they faced a full team.
2. The OP forced them to play 2:00.

I don't see how it "wasted their time"....

If they faced full team, they would have had fun fighting it, and those two minutes would be well spent.

If they face lone person, fight was decided before it even started, they were hadly having fun and "gg". Their time was wasted.

What op did is roughly comparable to runners or tanking wammos - pointless spitefull waste of time of oposite party, bascially griefing.

Is it so hard to accept defeat and simply /resign? Its RA, get used to it.

Shmanka

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

In Your Head

The Brave Will Fall [Nion]

Me/

02 Apr 2007 at 18:05 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by zwei2stein

If they face lone person, fight was decided before it even started, they were hadly having fun and "gg". Their time was wasted.

When was the last time you raged and insulted when you didn't get your fun? Oh yea when your mother took you away from Disney Land. The opposite side was immature, which is all of RA.

Zui

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

Mo/

02 Apr 2007 at 18:21 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shmanka

They had to play for a full 2 minutes and could have possibly lost anyway if the OP's team still stayed? /ggkthxplzmakeanewaccount?

First, once the start timer ends and the gates open on The Crag, the actual game timer lasts for three minutes. Not two minutes. There's usualy a 30 second travel time, and you res at a shrine every 30s. The OP died 5 times, and 5 * 30s + 30s = 3 minutes. It's pretty clear that I'm right on it being 3 minutes if you even understand very basic game mechanics and math... If you don't think this is correct, though, why don't you actualy play the game, ok?

Obviously the other team could have possibly lost if the OPs team was there. I didn't even comment about that, because it's really stupid to comment on "Well, if this didn't happen then this might have happened, but we don't actualy know and never will." His team left him. There is no way they could come back, and most obviously even if there was, they wouldn't want to come back. So, why continue? The OP could have simply left the game, and saved the other team three minutes of their time. There was no chance of him winning. None at all. So, he has three options really. 1) Leave immediately. 2) Ask the other team if they want faction for killing him, and if they don't respond or say no, leave. If they say yes, die once and leave. 3) Waste the other teams time for three minutes. 4) Waste the other teams time for three minutes and be a dick about it. He chose option four, and is wondering why the other team is upset.

/lern2reason, ok?

Zui

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

Mo/

02 Apr 2007 at 18:28 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shmanka

When was the last time you raged and insulted when you didn't get your fun? Oh yea when your mother took you away from Disney Land. The opposite side was immature, which is all of RA.

Are you saying that the OPs time was/is more valuable than the time of four other people? WTF?

Shmanka

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

In Your Head

The Brave Will Fall [Nion]

Me/

02 Apr 2007 at 18:28 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zui

There was no chance of him winning. None at all.
/lern2reason, ok?

Whatever the math is, the OP did not extend the time intended when the game began. It was most likely "annoying" to the other team because it was 4v1 and the odds were against him. Although who was to say that the other 4 could has possibly been W/Mo's with HH? and he was a Anti Melee Dom mesmer? Could he have won? Yes. Just because the odds are against you does not mean you are going to lose, the odds of it are increased.

With a guild cape like yourself you should note this, and understand that its not 1v8 in GvG. This is RA with a time limit and restrictions. There are too many theorhetical things that can happen to sway the favor of both sides. Reasoning with posts like above are what drive me to just make it quick and simple yet I think sometimes people cannot understand to read between the lines as well.
In defence of the OP you did nothing wrong you played the game, and because they are driven like mad for glad points for whatever reason they were ignorant. Now on the other hand the OP was not an angel either, he could have left early but that was not his decision nor did he know they were frustrated with him until the very end of the match, although not much typing ever happens in RA matches except for the lingo that was posted already.

/learntoviewbothsides k?

Shmanka

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

In Your Head

The Brave Will Fall [Nion]

Me/

02 Apr 2007 at 18:30 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zui

Are you saying that the OPs time was/is more valuable than the time of four other people? WTF?

4 people being immature does not mean that one persons time is more valuable then the others... where did you get this?

VanDamselx

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Buffalo, NY

[TTBH]

02 Apr 2007 at 18:42 - 24

I don't think you should have stayed. Typing /resign would have saved their team the time of a pointless battle and possibly could have got you closer to your glad point with a new team. You knew you couldn't progress in that particular battle any further with yourself. Not only is it a waste of their time, but yours as well.

If you're just singing and staying there for the sake of allowing time to run out, I'd be mad too.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

02 Apr 2007 at 18:46 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shmanka

4 people being immature does not mean that one persons time is more valuable then the others... where did you get this?

Why do you think OP was being mature? Because he posted nice well spelled piece about how immature others are?

Chances are, if one person from other side posted similar article, you could be VERY suprised what chat was about before very mature "they keep photos of me, yananananana".

Point stands: in case of 4 jerks (whatever) having fun vs 1 jerk havign fun, well,is is so hard to choose?

Traveller

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Finland

League of Extraordinary Explorers [LOST] (my one man guild)

Me/

02 Apr 2007 at 19:28 - 26

What seems extremely funny to me from a casual PvP'ing perspective is that people are so angry over 3 minutes wasted. Is it really that big of a deal?

Shmanka

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

In Your Head

The Brave Will Fall [Nion]

Me/

02 Apr 2007 at 19:33 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Traveller

What seems extremely funny to me from a casual PvP'ing perspective is that people are so angry over 3 minutes wasted. Is it really that big of a deal?

I guess it is, its like scrapping your way through when your in line to watch a movie... we spend on average I recall 7-8 years of our fully lived lives "waiting". That was pretty scary.

Does-it-Matter

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

N/

02 Apr 2007 at 21:42 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Traveller

What seems extremely funny to me from a casual PvP'ing perspective is that people are so angry over 3 minutes wasted. Is it really that big of a deal?

You'd be surprised. I watch my roommate, who will actually go through MORE work (opening up map, clicking on RA) instead of waiting 3-4 seconds to have the computer automatically do it for him.

And I'm assuming the same is for others who quit and then I see in the next game.

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Anyways, I have never left a game, and never will. Regardless of how hopeless it is (you can blame the military for that state of mind.) I don't give up, and I don't expect my team to either, but sadly they don't have the same resolve.

This is how I look at it. By clicking that "enter match" button you've agreed to play (hopefully) ten matches. There is no set time those ten matches could take, since the maps are random (it could be mostly death matches, or kill counts). There is no set team composition, you don't pick your team, the whole point of it is you play with what you have.

I've been in matches of 2v4 and still won. I've been in matches that last 30 minutes. The majority of my gladiator points were earned with teams that lacked a Monk. You never know what works, until you try.

People want perfect, but there is no such thing as a perfect team in guild wars.

If I set down at the computer for two hours, then however I'm playing the game for two hours is fine enough for me. That could be six levels of PvE, farming, 20 RA matches or 1 (or a combination of the above.) Playing the game is fun for me, regardless.

Exoudeous

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Honor Warriors

E/

02 Apr 2007 at 21:59 - 29

I would have done the same thing as the op, people that start tossing insults like that don't deserve to be appeased.

I had an experience when I started a Hero battle where my opponent kept telling me to quit, even before the battle started. I couldn't really care less about what pvpers like that think. As for as I can tell, this is a video game I am playing. they only play to win, I'm doing it cause its fun. I really couldn't care less if I'm gunna win or get "pwnd".

Ill play no matter how many members i lose, if the other team wants to cry about it for "wasting" 2 minutes then tough ****, they could quit just as easily, they just wanted free wins.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

03 Apr 2007 at 06:00 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exoudeous

I would have done the same thing as the op, people that start tossing insults like that don't deserve to be appeased.

We saw hadly any insults aimed to OP. In fact, all he have evidecne of very VERY mild insult after 2 / 3 minute mark.

I am quite sure that OP would post more of how those bad bad people treated him, if it was remotelly possible.

whatever.

cyberjanet

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

The Netherlands

Rich Mahogany

N/

03 Apr 2007 at 06:40 - 31

Amazing how people who spend hours spamming in the towns will weep about three minutes wasted in RA.....

[And yes, I'm saying the four immature insult-posters are the same guys who go spamming in the towns. Immature is immature and it reflects in game-wide behaviour. It even reflects in the posts in the forum.]

around

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

Aussie Trolling Crew - Diplomatic Embassy

I Have Three Pennies [Pnny] - forever in my heart <3

R/

03 Apr 2007 at 10:57 - 32

If you take anything said in RA to heart enough to make a forum post about it...

You probably don't deserve to be PvP'ing.

Someone called you a douche. Oh dear. Want mummy to kiss it better?