kai4321
WarKaster
Ritual del Fuego
kai4321
Brian the Gladiator
Brian the Gladiator
Brian the Gladiator
Brian the Gladiator
Ritual del Fuego
kai4321
Servant of Kali
If you intend to do dmg with your Dervish HoF is a must. |
Originally Posted by Brian the Gladiator
Kai, Dervishes generaly doen't use secondary professions all too often
Actually, Dervishes often depend a lot on secondary profession. While not using a secondary is OK, my Dervish builds NEVER use just Dervish profession. They always work better with secondary. It goes for my D/Mo, D/A, D/P D/E and D/W.
In other words, i hate when i have Dervish in my team not having a secondary profession. At least D/W for Wild Blow which is still an awesome skill (sure it got nerfed a bit but i guess it's not THAT bad hah). It does critical which is cool on a scythe (high crit dmg) and removes stance which increases the killing speed fast in some areas (annoying PvE rangers with blocks etc). Or, D/P for Remedy signet can be nice too.. not needed if your monk is taking care of everything, but in some game areas it's a cool skill to have IMO (not badly needed ofc). And last but not the least, yes (as mentioned), having a hard rez is also nice, and that alone can be a good reason to use secondary profession in PvE. In short, there's a good reason to use secondary profession in PvE if only for one skill. In PvP secondaries are usually more important but that's another topic. .Unanimous.
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Originally Posted by Brian the Gladiator
Kai, Dervishes generaly doen't use secondary professions all too often. Some of the Dervish builds that I know of use the following:
D/W - the build has one warrior skill and that is wild blow. They do this because of the fact that this melee attack always criticals. Because the range of damage on the scythe is (i think) 9-41 and because the skill always criticals, it will deal its maximum amount of damage. D/Mo - Similarly to you, some people like to use this secondary because it allows them to use a hard res (ie rebirth). Also, many people will use mending touch on their dervish monk as a means to remove any sort of condition that is put on them. I like to use a D/E however. The build uses friged armor, conjure frost, and mirror of ice (elite). [Note: this build requires factions skills] This build does a ton of damage as well as it has some nice armor buffing. You may want to try this build out and be sure to use an icy scythe for conjure frost. [This build can be found at guildwiki.org under the tested pve builds section] yeah... mirror of ice build is pretty sweet, but you'll need to ahve almost completed factions to get the elite.
Ritual del Fuego
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Originally Posted by Servant of Kali
I wouldnt. I've used Victorious Sweep for quite a long time, then i switched it for Crippling Sweep. Results were better. Granted, Victorious is a good skill, if it wasnt i wouldnt use it for that long. But i've played around with options and in practice Crippling is awesome. No annoying fleeing monsters, no need for run skill in PvE, -and- you have a crowd control skill. That means your squishies (monk, mesmer etc) wont get ganged.
Crippling + Chilling Victory are the only attack skills i use in PvE now, except when i go with Zealous Vow elite. BTW Chilling is overpowered in PvE One more thing, as for the build you posted, a tip: you need Heart of Fury. Like, badly. It's the best IAS in the game, why not use it? If you intend to do dmg with your Dervish HoF is a must.
Chilling = normal scythe damage + 20-80 damage every 10 seconds depending on if you time it right to hit when your enemy is below 50%.Victorious Sweep = normal scythe damage +77.5 damage every 10 seconds plus you are healed for up to 200hp (averaged over 10 seconds) depending on if you have more health than the enemy. Now for the chilling AOE damage, we have a couple options. if I hit 3 enemies with under 50% health, each would be hit for: 20+60+60+60 = 200 or 2 enemies under 50% 20+60+60 = 140 or 1 enemy under 50% 20+60=80 In my experience, I usually ended up with the last option more often than not where each enemy was hit with the 80 because it is difficult to time it so you hit all three adjacent enemies at a time they have less than 50% health, especially in higher level areas. Granted, if you have more than 3 baddies lined up together then chilling gives you the nice AOE damage to all adjacent foes, however, I find that this isn't usually the case. With victorious you are dealing the same "consistant" damage to up to three adjacents without having to wait for them to get to less than 50% to use it effectively. For me it just depends on what type of enemies you are going to be fighting and what area you are in. Personally I use both depending on the situation, but lean more towards victorious in most areas because of the consistancy and self healing. The reason I compared victorious to chilling and not crippling as you suggested is because I consider Crippling Sweep to be more of a utility attack rather than a damage dealer and as such to compare the two wouldn't make a lot of sense. Don't get me wrong, I like crippling sweep and find it a must in most PvP situations. In PVE I guess it is personal preference. The OP is using Avatar of Balthazar which gives him a speed buff so fleeing enemies shouldn't be too big of a deal. I would rather bring an ele with ward against foes or some other movement control skills as "crowd control" rather than waste a spot on my dervish's bar, but that is just me. As for Heart of Fury, personally I would take it in place of zealous renewal, however, I included zealous renewal because I was trying to fit the build as closely as I could to the OP's since that is what this thread is about. All this being said, I guess this summarizes it with regards to the OP's build: Attacks: Victorious Sweep or Chilling Victory (depending on preference) Mystic Sweep or crippling sweep or Heart of Fury Wild Blow or crippling sweep or Heart of Fury Utility: Balthazar Conviction Vital Boon Zealous Renewal or Heart of Fury Rez Obviously there is more things you can do, I am just summarizing what has been discussed so far if the OP wants to continue using Balth.
Servant of Kali
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Originally Posted by Ritual del Fuego
Victorious Sweep = normal scythe damage +77.5 damage every 10 seconds plus you are healed for up to 200hp (averaged over 10 seconds) depending on if you have more health than the enemy. |
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The reason I compared victorious to chilling and not crippling as you suggested is because I consider Crippling Sweep to be more of a utility attack rather than a damage dealer and as such to compare the two wouldn't make a lot of sense.
Actually, Crippling Sweep is a dmg dealer Less running means more hitting I agree it's not as useful in PvE as it is in PvP, but i tried it, and IMO i quite liked it, and i think it's very useful in crowd control and dmg (because i dun have to chase). I didnt take details tests, it's just an impression i got after trying it, so i'd say it's more of a personal preferance. If OP is using Balth then yea, Crippling is pointless. I also agree than the skills should be worked around the build he is trying to make... still i'd put in Heart of Fury somehow
Ritual del Fuego
I think I was on crack or tired or something in my last post.
Originally Posted by Servant of Kali
  Let me clear some things up...Quote: 2) Your stats for Victorious are downright wrong and have no basis in reality nor math. Victorious has recharge of 4, and with IAS you need 1 second to execute the attack. Thus, for Chilling Victory recharge+hit, you need 11seconds. For 2 Victorious recharge+hit, you need 10sec. Almost the same. 77.5 is an overestimation of the dmg done by Victorious. It's roughly 65, or something along those lines. Heal is cca 170, and not 200hp. Also, this heal wont kick in if you already have maximum health, but when your health is low, and you need this bonus, practically it's not very likely that the enemy will have even lower health. So while in theory you're gaining cca 170 health every 10sec, in practice this is much much different. |
My math was strictly going off of the fact that recharge is 10 seconds for chilling so I was taking 2.5*victorious recharge of 4 seconds, an oversimplification I guess. |
Originally Posted by Servant of Kali
Actually, Crippling Sweep is a dmg dealer
Less running means more hitting I agree it's not as useful in PvE as it is in PvP, but i tried it, and IMO i quite liked it, and i think it's very useful in crowd control and dmg (because i dun have to chase). I didnt take details tests, it's just an impression i got after trying it, so i'd say it's more of a personal preferance. If OP is using Balth then yea, Crippling is pointless. I also agree than the skills should be worked around the build he is trying to make... still i'd put in Heart of Fury somehow
Agreed on the majority of this. I find crippling is good against the corsairs early in the game because they don't stop running around, even with the new AI update, but toward the back end of the game I didn't find that I needed to chase too many foes around and replaced it in my bar.
Servant of Kali
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Yeah trust me, i use it all the time in RA to finish off annoying Shadowsong, or that Ranger who turned on block stance n tried to flee
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I find crippling is good against the corsairs early in the game because they don't stop running around, even with the new AI update, but toward the back end of the game I didn't find that I needed to chase too many foes around and replaced it in my bar.
Yup. Improvisation is the key There is no need to use the same skills in every game area... besides it would be boring.
Ritual del Fuego
[wiki]chilling victory[/wiki]
The description is what it is...nice to know what happens in reality. Thanks for the tip... |