I read somewhere that with the new game, ANet is planning to scrap the idea of having a new chapter every month. One of their reasons was that not everyone wanted one that quickly. Another is a lot of people don't get a chapter finished in 6 months.
Well I'd like to ask them to keep it and here's why: they've got 2 titles they can work on and continue to support. Take SOE, they are still making EQ1 expansions every now and then even though EQ2 is still out. ANet can do just the same thing, but instead of making a chapter/expansion for the same game every six months, they can switch games with each expansion.
Example
Winter '08 - GW2 releases
Summer '09 - next GW1 chapter/expansion
Winter 08' - GW2 goes to cantha
etc
Petition to keep the new expansion per 6 months philosophy
Winterclaw
Quid Pro Quo
Not signed.
I want full focus on GW2, personally. Splitting up the team to work on all that would lower the quality of everything they do or it would take a really long time for new content. Theres one more option which is the worst one.. the GW1 chapters turn out half assed because they put most of the focus on GW2.
None of those situations sound favorable to me.
I want full focus on GW2, personally. Splitting up the team to work on all that would lower the quality of everything they do or it would take a really long time for new content. Theres one more option which is the worst one.. the GW1 chapters turn out half assed because they put most of the focus on GW2.
None of those situations sound favorable to me.
max gladius
i like the idea, i just dont expect it to really happen... free gameing = less employees / less servers.. their money comes from building on what is new and what is best... only way i could see it actualy happening is if they started charging to play, there fore have an actual staff to work on gw1 still, while making new and better for gw2... personaly, i am shocked that not even 2 yrs after release of first game, they r already talking about release of second.... (new areas and such every 6 months lasted 2 games, now expansion leading to next full blown new game) makes u wonder... 2 yrs after gw2 comes out... they gonna be working on a third....
ok, sorry if im venting, its late...
ok, sorry if im venting, its late...
Does-it-Matter
Here's the thing though. The developers said they didn't like the model. That was one of the largest reasons for scrapping it. As well as it being difficult to constantly add a "world ending" scheme every six months.
Sort of reminds me of the standard action series "villain of the week" model. Personally, I'm glad to see it gone.
Sort of reminds me of the standard action series "villain of the week" model. Personally, I'm glad to see it gone.
Lord Azhren
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Here's the thing though. The developers said they didn't like the model. That was one of the largest reasons for scrapping it. As well as it being difficult to constantly add a "world ending" scheme every six months.
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/notsigned
Knightsaber Sith
/notsigned
Anet has tried the six month system for some time now and they have decided that it's just not allowing them to do include everything they would've wanted into the game. They know what they're doing, if they say it's not enough time- it's not. Would you really rather them release half-cocked expansions that people would be disappointed with and cause them to stop supporting GW1? Or spend a little time to fine-tune it to perfection ensuring the viability of the franchise?
Anet has tried the six month system for some time now and they have decided that it's just not allowing them to do include everything they would've wanted into the game. They know what they're doing, if they say it's not enough time- it's not. Would you really rather them release half-cocked expansions that people would be disappointed with and cause them to stop supporting GW1? Or spend a little time to fine-tune it to perfection ensuring the viability of the franchise?
Not A Fifty Five
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/notsigned
Anet has tried the six month system for some time now and they have decided that it's just not allowing them to do include everything they would've wanted into the game. They know what they're doing, if they say it's not enough time- it's not. Would you really rather them release half-cocked expansions that people would be disappointed with and cause them to stop supporting GW1? Or spend a little time to fine-tune it to perfection ensuring the viability of the franchise? |
Remember nightfall?
"ZOMG BUGGIEST GAME eVaR ANET WTF?!?!?!"
I don't think they liked hearing that.
Haggard
I don't wanna play half of both games. Playing all of one is much more appealing.
MithranArkanere
Hm... I won't disagree to some spare upgrades in time to time... but no real plot content... just some fixes and maybe a next quest or something...
There will be some people still buying the game as long as it is in stock, after all.
There will be some people still buying the game as long as it is in stock, after all.
The Only Warrior
/unsigned
from what ANET says GW1 will end with GWEN and you completely left EotN off you release list, and GW2 will not need to go to cantha, because of the way it will be set up, and even if they did they would relese it in Winter "09"
from what ANET says GW1 will end with GWEN and you completely left EotN off you release list, and GW2 will not need to go to cantha, because of the way it will be set up, and even if they did they would relese it in Winter "09"
max gladius
i typed alot lastnight, hahaha, bit of jiberish from what i wanted to make as a point...
I think this forum was started preemptively because the true fate of GW is unknown... they say they wont turn off the servers and such, but i think alot of ppl r expecting them to just let GW die... like i said, this is all assuming...
Some games have disappeared but others have not...
Prime example is Everquest.... released 1999, with expansions to this day coming out every 6 months... Everquest II was released in 2004 and have had expansions about every 6 months also....
i think the OP is trying to get the point across that there r alot of us out there that love GW, have invested alot of time into it, and would hate to see it just go away... i know, its just a game, blah blah blah...
I honestly believe that once GW2 gets going, Anet will assess how active GW is, then either charge / month as other companies do, and or then sell off the rights to the original game....
Once again, its all up in the air, noone knows what will happen.... but i feel that GW shouldn't just be cast off to the side....
I think this forum was started preemptively because the true fate of GW is unknown... they say they wont turn off the servers and such, but i think alot of ppl r expecting them to just let GW die... like i said, this is all assuming...
Some games have disappeared but others have not...
Prime example is Everquest.... released 1999, with expansions to this day coming out every 6 months... Everquest II was released in 2004 and have had expansions about every 6 months also....
i think the OP is trying to get the point across that there r alot of us out there that love GW, have invested alot of time into it, and would hate to see it just go away... i know, its just a game, blah blah blah...
I honestly believe that once GW2 gets going, Anet will assess how active GW is, then either charge / month as other companies do, and or then sell off the rights to the original game....
Once again, its all up in the air, noone knows what will happen.... but i feel that GW shouldn't just be cast off to the side....
Shmanka
I sorta would only want one game... unless GW2 sucks insanely then this is signed until then...
/notsigned
/notsigned
SpeedyKQ
I expect it is too late for this to matter, but
/signed.
Every six months was just about perfect timing to keep me interested. Now I'm looking for another game to tide me over until GW:EN. And I'd be much happier if they threw away the whole GW2 idea.
/signed.
Every six months was just about perfect timing to keep me interested. Now I'm looking for another game to tide me over until GW:EN. And I'd be much happier if they threw away the whole GW2 idea.
Predatorus Viktus
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I read somewhere that with the new game, ANet is planning to scrap the idea of having a new chapter every month. One of their reasons was that not everyone wanted one that quickly. Another is a lot of people don't get a chapter finished in 6 months.
Well I'd like to ask them to keep it and here's why: they've got 2 titles they can work on and continue to support. Take SOE, they are still making EQ1 expansions every now and then even though EQ2 is still out. ANet can do just the same thing, but instead of making a chapter/expansion for the same game every six months, they can switch games with each expansion. Example Winter '08 - GW2 releases Summer '09 - next GW1 chapter/expansion Winter 08' - GW2 goes to cantha etc |
I agree with their new philosophy and their reasoning behind it. If you read the May issue of PC Gamer, they address this. In a nutshell, if they have to concentrate on new content in the form of expansions every 6 months, they will never be able to do the great things they have planned for GW2. GW2 will have content updated live on the servers, driving the existing and new storylines, and changing the world. I am with the GW team on this.
Predatorus Viktus
"The Father," First Order of Blood Knights
"There is an ancient Repticus saying, that something lasts only as long as the last person remembers it. My people have come to trust memory over history. Memory, like fire, is radiant and immutable. Those who renounce the flame of memory in order to put out the dangerous fire of truth: Beware these men, for they are dangerous themselves... and unwise. There are false histories written on the blood of those who might remember, and on those who seek the truth."
Trylo
so far GW2 sounds like total junk to me... with that said my sources are a tidbit less than reliable 
from what i understand of what the OP said: was that he wants to see more chapters for GW1 while GW2 is being developed. Maybe not EVERY 6 months, but they at least come out with them every once in a while.
i would like it if they scrapped GW2 unless it is almost eerily similar to GW1 and if it is i would of had rather them just worked on GW1 until it was on par with anet's original idea for GW2 (without the races+non-instanced!)
personally i do not finish and fully explore the chapters, i am rather rushed. i am quite casual on gaming compared to some people i have met and i dont really want to have to play as much as them just to get everything i wanted FOR PVE (PvP is somewhat easy to catch up with as you can read about the recent gvg builds etc.). i have only one character through NF and 2 about 1/3 of the way. i havent gotten through SF on any char, i have gotten through the deep and urgoz' a few times just for the fun of it. i would rather have them come out maybe every 9 months, 10 months, maybe even during the summers when casual people have some time to commit to the game. this is of course just my opinion.
from what i understand of what the OP said: was that he wants to see more chapters for GW1 while GW2 is being developed. Maybe not EVERY 6 months, but they at least come out with them every once in a while.
i would like it if they scrapped GW2 unless it is almost eerily similar to GW1 and if it is i would of had rather them just worked on GW1 until it was on par with anet's original idea for GW2 (without the races+non-instanced!)
personally i do not finish and fully explore the chapters, i am rather rushed. i am quite casual on gaming compared to some people i have met and i dont really want to have to play as much as them just to get everything i wanted FOR PVE (PvP is somewhat easy to catch up with as you can read about the recent gvg builds etc.). i have only one character through NF and 2 about 1/3 of the way. i havent gotten through SF on any char, i have gotten through the deep and urgoz' a few times just for the fun of it. i would rather have them come out maybe every 9 months, 10 months, maybe even during the summers when casual people have some time to commit to the game. this is of course just my opinion.
Lonesamurai
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Ferret
/not signed
I'd rather they took the extra time to produce a great product than rush it and bring out something less impressive than it could have been.
I'd rather they took the extra time to produce a great product than rush it and bring out something less impressive than it could have been.
Buttermilk
/not signed
I actually started laughing when I read this. Whether to keep the original expansion model or not is something ArenaNet decides, not the community.
I actually started laughing when I read this. Whether to keep the original expansion model or not is something ArenaNet decides, not the community.
Sophitia Leafblade
/not signed
I think Anet has the right idea
I think Anet has the right idea
Caith-Avar
I would like to see GW1 expansions (not campaigns), of course. But I'll have a look at GW2 first. They will see how active good old GW1 is, and I wouldn't mind if they try to tap into a secondary source of income by releasing a new expansion every year or something.
I have to clarify on the developers words here, at least on how I read them. They specifically mentioned the 6-month-release on campaigns, which means full-fledged, stand-alone games meant to attract new players. Content-Updates through an expansion, such as GW:EN would be, would eliminate most of the factors they dislike in the current system.
I do, however, agree with those people mentioning that there are limited resources, and that they like one whole game rather than two halved ones.
So: If the GW1 servers are still buzzing with activity, half a year after GW2 release, maybe they will release a GW1 expansion. It would be win-win. Additional income on the side-line, new content to make players happy.
But before I do more speculations on what I'll do beyond preordering GW:EN, I'll wait what the future brings. I want to see how GW2 is. Maybe it will be so great I'll never go back to GW1. Maybe I'll stay with GW1 and hope for another expansion like GW:EN.
One thing is sure: The "one campaign per half year" system is dead.
I have to clarify on the developers words here, at least on how I read them. They specifically mentioned the 6-month-release on campaigns, which means full-fledged, stand-alone games meant to attract new players. Content-Updates through an expansion, such as GW:EN would be, would eliminate most of the factors they dislike in the current system.
I do, however, agree with those people mentioning that there are limited resources, and that they like one whole game rather than two halved ones.
So: If the GW1 servers are still buzzing with activity, half a year after GW2 release, maybe they will release a GW1 expansion. It would be win-win. Additional income on the side-line, new content to make players happy.
But before I do more speculations on what I'll do beyond preordering GW:EN, I'll wait what the future brings. I want to see how GW2 is. Maybe it will be so great I'll never go back to GW1. Maybe I'll stay with GW1 and hope for another expansion like GW:EN.
One thing is sure: The "one campaign per half year" system is dead.
MithranArkanere
I'll pay for a remake of the old chapters so all of them have the same good things:
Insignia armor, inscriptions, challenges giving prices, missions started by talking to an NPC, replay of all cinematics by talking to NPCs, lvl 20 monsters and hechmen and parties of 8 from Lion's Arch, etc...
That won't really be 'expansion' but something they could do in spare time.
In Diablo II, they made an update after a long time. Adding some items and fixing some bug.
I don't think they will completely forget about GW.
Already existing events could be used again, and some bugs found in late time should be fixed.
Insignia armor, inscriptions, challenges giving prices, missions started by talking to an NPC, replay of all cinematics by talking to NPCs, lvl 20 monsters and hechmen and parties of 8 from Lion's Arch, etc...
That won't really be 'expansion' but something they could do in spare time.
In Diablo II, they made an update after a long time. Adding some items and fixing some bug.
I don't think they will completely forget about GW.
Already existing events could be used again, and some bugs found in late time should be fixed.
Lexar
As if a forum petition is going to make Anet hire and pay for 75 employees and develop a game for 12 months based on no economic marketing model whatsoever.
Ecklipze
Oh how I miss that beautiful feeling when I played Guild Wars for the first time in '05.
SpeedyKQ
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I don't want to wait 2 years.
No new content for my existing characters. I like my characters and want to have new things to do with them. It isn't that I'm worried about "losing all of my work" - the Hall of Monuments does nothing to make me feel better.
I chose to get into GW, and not any other MMO because everything is instanced. I come from a long history of single-player RPG's and I want the world to revolve around me, dammit.
I'm also kinda bummed about the high level cap and the zoo of character races, but those issues are secondary.
Vilaptca
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A silly little petition isn't going to change the fact that they have already given up on the new chapter every 6 months. Just read the PCGamer, they don't want to do it...at all. This whole GW:EN and GW2 isn't just some experiment, they're moving on, trying to create a better game that implements a lot of things that they could never possibly add into any regular GW expansion.
You're basically asking them to continue doing something they hate.
If you read the other articles, they state that they will continue to support GW1, they've set a small team aside whose sole purpose is to continue to update the game while the other team is developing GW2. Not just skill updates, but more free updates, from what they said it sounds like they are planning things larger than our holiday events, but maybe not as big as the Sorrow's Furnace update.
Thomas.knbk
The whole chapter system is stupid. A system with monthly fees is much better both from customer and business point of view.
The chapter system means that now, in order to get into high level pvp, you need to spend $150 on a game of which you don't even know if you like it. If they just made one guild wars with a $5 monthly fee it would cost just as much for anyone who played from the start, but it would be a significantly more realisitic investment to step in (only $50 instead of $150)
I hope they give GW II monthly fees, and do away with the chapter system.
The chapter system means that now, in order to get into high level pvp, you need to spend $150 on a game of which you don't even know if you like it. If they just made one guild wars with a $5 monthly fee it would cost just as much for anyone who played from the start, but it would be a significantly more realisitic investment to step in (only $50 instead of $150)
I hope they give GW II monthly fees, and do away with the chapter system.
SpeedyKQ
Double post.
matt_longbow
Hopefully they will keep running GW1 servers especially if there is alot of people still online and if its still popular enough keep coming out with expansions just for those who are still dedicated but then again that all depends on how GW2 is going to be.
Dreikki
They will keep running GW1 servers.
And oh, almost forgot to not sign this :P
/not signed
And oh, almost forgot to not sign this :P
/not signed
Lonesamurai
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Hopefully they will keep running GW1 servers especially if there is alot of people still online and if its still popular enough keep coming out with expansions just for those who are still dedicated but then again that all depends on how GW2 is going to be.
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Especially due to the fact that some GW1 character information (titles, etc) will be used by GW2
Appologies before i start here, but I WILL get harsh!
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I don't want to wait 2 years.
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No new content for my existing characters. I like my characters and want to have new things to do with them. It isn't that I'm worried about "losing all of my work" - the Hall of Monuments does nothing to make me feel better.
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Oh and the hall of monuments enables you to carry over information so you CAN carry on characters in one form or another, for reasons i shall explain at the end
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I chose to get into GW, and not any other MMO because everything is instanced. I come from a long history of single-player RPG's and I want the world to revolve around me, dammit.
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I'm also kinda bummed about the high level cap and the zoo of character races, but those issues are secondary.
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And character races? well cry more, cos the communtiyhave said they want to play other races, and ANet is following the strongest tenet of thier original business model: "To make the best game possible with player feedback and involvement from he community"
GG ANet, carry on!
EDIT: Please do not double post. -Swampgirl
prism2525
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Appologies before i start here, but I WILL get harsh!
You don't, you have new content in GW:EN, plus the possibilities of other chapters before GW2 release and maybe even afterwards So GW:EN is what? not new content? go away Oh and the hall of monuments enables you to carry over information so you CAN carry on characters in one form or another, for reasons i shall explain at the end And it still will DAMNIT! FFS, they are adding bonuses for those solo players like yourself that don't want to use heroes and henchies, or actually play the game as it was intended... As a TEAM BASED CO-OP GAME! They have already stated that the skill system will, although upgraded, work along the same system... They have already stated that the level system, will be a flat gradient, so there will be very little difference between levels, its a god damned number for those that like numbers and means nothing And character races? well cry more, cos the communtiyhave said they want to play other races, and ANet is following the strongest tenet of thier original business model: "To make the best game possible with player feedback and involvement from he community" GG ANet, carry on! |
Darksun
/not signed
Quality over quantity any day.
Quality over quantity any day.
D E C E P T I V E
I liked GW, but I think alot of players were beginning to bet bogged down with the release of campaign after campaign, and although I will miss GW, it has been the only game I have played since its release, I will be glad to see the campaign system end, it was really starting to get old. I think they are going in the right directions with GW 2, and think that GW 1 would have lasted longer if they had just gone with expansions to the original rather than adding campaign after campaign.
Keithark
/don't care
Main thing is that if GW:EN is last update I will play it for about 2 months, finish up on some titles and items I want and then buy LOTR and play it...if it sucks then when GW2 comes out I will try it, but if LOTR is as good as friends say then GW lost a customer due to the extended wait between new chapters/games. And yes I am sure they could care less if they lose one customer, just stating my opinion.
Main thing is that if GW:EN is last update I will play it for about 2 months, finish up on some titles and items I want and then buy LOTR and play it...if it sucks then when GW2 comes out I will try it, but if LOTR is as good as friends say then GW lost a customer due to the extended wait between new chapters/games. And yes I am sure they could care less if they lose one customer, just stating my opinion.
tyche7
Although I would definitely like them to continue to add expansions or chapters to Guild Wars 1 as I have invested so much time and effort into it already and I have loved every minute of it -- I'd have to say that keeping them on a timeline of 6 months and only 6 months is a little stringent and unrealistic.
I DO want them to continue to keep adding stuff and improving GW1 when GW2 comes out -- full-heartedly! But I don't necessarily think a 6 month policy is the best either.
/unsigned
I DO want them to continue to keep adding stuff and improving GW1 when GW2 comes out -- full-heartedly! But I don't necessarily think a 6 month policy is the best either.
/unsigned
Winterclaw
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A silly little petition isn't going to change the fact that they have already given up on the new chapter every 6 months. Just read the PCGamer, they don't want to do it...at all. This whole GW:EN and GW2 isn't just some experiment, they're moving on, trying to create a better game that implements a lot of things that they could never possibly add into any regular GW expansion.
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And if you ask me, it doesn't have to be every six months on the dot or a full new chapter (which would take a bunch of time). It could be a sorrow's furnace sized expansion that maybe has a few new skills and would fill up some of the unused areas of the maps or tie up some lose ends or whatnot.
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EDIT: It would also be wise for Anet to show more than a little support for the original GW in case GW2 falls short of the mark. Let's face it, sequals don't always do well... GW2 could be as loved as factions is loved when compared to prophecies. All these changes they are doing might not mesh.
And Lone Samurai, the charr are the only new race I know anything about so from aside from them, I can't say much postive about having new races as an option.
Predatorus Viktus
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The whole chapter system is stupid. A system with monthly fees is much better both from customer and business point of view.
The chapter system means that now, in order to get into high level pvp, you need to spend $150 on a game of which you don't even know if you like it. If they just made one guild wars with a $5 monthly fee it would cost just as much for anyone who played from the start, but it would be a significantly more realisitic investment to step in (only $50 instead of $150) I hope they give GW II monthly fees, and do away with the chapter system. |
Predatorus Viktus
"The Father," First Order of Blood Knights
"There is an ancient Repticus saying, that something lasts only as long as the last person remembers it. My people have come to trust memory over history. Memory, like fire, is radiant and immutable. Those who renounce the flame of memory in order to put out the dangerous fire of truth: Beware these men, for they are dangerous themselves... and unwise. There are false histories written on the blood of those who might remember, and on those who seek the truth."
MithranArkanere
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The whole chapter system is stupid. A system with monthly fees is much better both from customer and business point of view.
The chapter system means that now, in order to get into high level pvp, you need to spend $150 on a game of which you don't even know if you like it. If they just made one guild wars with a $5 monthly fee it would cost just as much for anyone who played from the start, but it would be a significantly more realisitic investment to step in (only $50 instead of $150) I hope they give GW II monthly fees, and do away with the chapter system. |
One of the points that makes people buy GW is that in the box says:
"No monthly fees".
D E C E P T I V E
How did fees even get into this thread???? The thread is not about fees, and fees could be charged regardless of what type of path a net wants to follow, chapter or campaign based, or just 1 permanent base with periodic expansions. I think GW 2 is going the right direction in 1 permanent base with periodic expansions though, the whole campaign grind in GW1 was getting really old, and Im glad they arent going to have monthly fees. I would like to see them continue to add expansions to GW 1 that just simply add a little to the existing campaigns, but pleas no more chapter grinds.
Gimme Money Plzkthx
/notsigned. 6 months is too fast for campaigns, I hate it.