Got Bored. Got Infused. Touched Markis. Touched Dorian.

capitalist

capitalist

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Markis. Pwnt.


Dorian...




...Pwnt.


Ended up having a friend that need THK, so he brought his Derv, and a Toucher.

Kinda sad.

Div

Div

I like yumy food!

Join Date: Jan 2006

Where I can eat yumy food

Dead Alley [dR]

Mo/R

Touch rangers own. I don't know why people bash on them ^ ^

ss1986v2

ss1986v2

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Mo/

touch rangers are actually pretty strong in the right pve environments. one time, just for a laugh, i brought a touch to thunderhead keep. it worked rather well all the way to the keep. nothing to rave about, but killed some stuff, with dmg taken never really an issue. where it excelled was at holding the keep.

it was a very bad pug. like 3 warriors, i think 2 where wammos. 2 crap healing monks, and maybe a nuker. i forget. anyway, we split 4-4 on each door. my 4 held, fortunately, the other 4 didnt. so eventually the other 3 wandered over to help the struggling team, and left me alone on the other door. and they didnt come back.

but it wasnt an issue. i was able to hold the other door the whole time, with no help from any of them, or any support from the catapult. AI never kites (at least then it didnt), so it was an endless stream of life steal coming in and going out. keeping stances and throw dirt werent even that important with the constant life steal. the funniest part was that after it was over, i realized than one of my pieces of armor wasnt even infused.

ahh, fun times goofing off in pugs.

Sword

Sword

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

Mo/

touch rangers in pvp are sorta useless imo
never actaully seen one in pve

but what gets to me is why touchers dont use 40/40 blood weapons... they always have staves.... with 40/40 you get a ton more damage if u are using a staff, and 40/40 on oob produces a ton more energy...

guess people that play touchers dont really know how to make builds better than what they saw on guildwiki....but I guess thats why they are playing a toucher build in the first place =/

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

Because the touch skills are "skills" and not "spells."

You could go for 40% recharge on OoB, not much point in 40% casting time though.

Lydz

Lydz

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Cape Town, South Africa

The Crazy Dragons [TCD]

E/Mo

I think touch skills should be made into spells. A mesmer has no way of going against one (last time I checked) because Backfire, Mistrust etc. just won't work on them. You can't use Empathy, and Conjure Phantasm etc. isn't much use against the lifestealing.

Maybe there is an anti-toucher mesmer build...but the problem is that it would probably only be useful again touchers, which doesn't help against everyone else.

Yanman.be

Yanman.be

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

Belgium

[ROSE]

A/

Lydz, diversion. ggkthxbai.

themeteor

themeteor

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2007

E/

Touchers are ok, its just when they try to tank aggro about 6-8 mobs and die like the lowest of low stereotypical wammo only to insult everyone and type "res me!!!!!!1"... for the 6th or 7th time.

Mournblade

Mournblade

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2005

Houston, Texas

Dawn Treaders [DAWN]

W/Mo

themeteor: That has nothing to do with touch rangers and everything to do with people who don't know how to play the game. =)

I tried a few combinations of weapons and for me, a +5energy/+5armor weapon and 27/-1 offhand work best. (with OoB, not Serpents Quickness)
Then again, I haven't had the pleasure of hunting as part of a team of Touchers. I can see how that would be handled differently.

capitalist

capitalist

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lydz
I think touch skills should be made into spells. A mesmer has no way of going against one (last time I checked) because Backfire, Mistrust etc. just won't work on them. You can't use Empathy, and Conjure Phantasm etc. isn't much use against the lifestealing.

Maybe there is an anti-toucher mesmer build...but the problem is that it would probably only be useful again touchers, which doesn't help against everyone else. Mesmer Elite: Tease.

A waste, but a solution.

RhanoctJocosa

RhanoctJocosa

Legendary Korean

Join Date: Aug 2006

The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

W/

Thought it'd be more obvious; Diversion>touchers. Seeing as all they do *is* spam, you don't even need to take much care when throwing Diversion around. Just do it. Gg.

*EDIT: I'm aware that the duration Diversion lasts has been reduced to 6 seconds but that should be enough time to snare/kite/heal up. Also, if you don't like Diversion use Crippling Anguish and degen them to death. : D

bungusmaximus

bungusmaximus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Guild Of Handicrafted Products [MaSS]

W/Mo

I can recall seeing a screenie of a 6-toucher team winning HA, the comedy. A simple AB-er knows how to deal with touchers, guess the HA crowd just wasn't used to them :P. Since zealous benediction touchers don't pose much of a threat anyway. I always love it when some ape in AB makes a 4 toucher team. Turn on local chat, sit back, and don't forget to bring popcorn. I LOVE TOUCHERS, people always play them for the sake of being an ass, they're just funny as hell.

bungusmaximus

bungusmaximus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Guild Of Handicrafted Products [MaSS]

W/Mo

I can recall seeing a screenie of a 6-toucher team winning HA, the comedy. A simple AB-er knows how to deal with touchers, guess the HA crowd just wasn't used to them :P. Since zealous benediction touchers don't pose much of a threat anyway. I always love it when some ape in AB makes a 4 toucher team. Turn on local chat, sit back, and don't forget to bring popcorn. I LOVE TOUCHERS, people always play them for the sake of being an ass, they're just funny as hell.

Faer

Faer

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sword
but what gets to me is why touchers dont use 40/40 blood weapons... they always have staves.... with 40/40 you get a ton more damage if u are using a staff, and 40/40 on oob produces a ton more energy...

guess people that play touchers dont really know how to make builds better than what they saw on guildwiki....but I guess thats why they are playing a toucher build in the first place =/
Well a pair of 20/20's doesn't actually add up to 40/40, but other than that...

+15e, +60HP > +12e

That's why Touch Rangers use staves. Or at least, that's why I use a staff when running a TR. Quote:
Originally Posted by Lydz
Maybe there is an anti-toucher mesmer build...but the problem is that it would probably only be useful again touchers, which doesn't help against everyone else. As previously stated, Diversion is pretty harsh on TR's, and Crippling Anguish works wonders on them as well as Warriors, Assassins, Rangers, and Paragons (not as much on the last two, but effective nonetheless). You can easily counter a TR as a Mesmer with quite a few Illusion builds, and even a couple Domination ones.

ss1986v2

ss1986v2

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Faer
+15e, +60HP > +12e

That's why Touch Rangers use staves. Or at least, that's why I use a staff when running a TR. well, thats not entirely right. i assume your staff looks something like this:

* Energy +10
* Cold damage: 11-22 (req. 9 Blood Magic)
* Halves skill recharge of spells (Chance: 20%)
* Energy +5 (while health is above 50%)
* Health +30
* Health +30

but with the sword/offhand route you could have this:

* Cold Damage: 15-22 (req. 9 Swordsmanship)
* Health +30
* Energy +5

* Energy +12 (Requires 9 Blood Magic)
* Halves skill recharge of Blood Magic spells (Chance: 20%)
* Health +30

so its actually 15e, 20% HSR, +60 hp vs 17e, 20% HSR, +60 hp.

you lose the ability to wand, but i usually bring a high energy wand/offhand set to make sure i can put down a target if things get tight, so i still have that option as well. never understood why someone would run 2 less energy and 5 conditional energy just to get the ability to wand. agreed on the duel 20/20 though. its not as hot as a lot think when you look at all you can get with a sword/offhand.

Faer

Faer

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by ss1986v2
<snip> Indeed; weapon swaps are key. I carry both a staff and a martial/focus set with me when I TR (which is rare these days, as I'd rather play Mesmer or Monk). Probably should have mentioned that in my post, but I suppose hindsight really is 20/20.

Nexus Icon

Nexus Icon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Natis Ignigena

Me/

I always found that snares were very effective against touchies in FA.
Pump illusion and spam Crippling Anguish, Ethereal Burden and Kitah's Burden, then chuck in some extra degen with the likes of Conjure Phantasm and Phantom Pain. Finish off with some Images of Remorse and Clumsiness for when the touchy summons her big bad wammo friend to help when she can't touch the nasty mesmer, and bam, yer done.