Dead serious. This is the most needed ele spell in the game for PvE. Maybe switch out another skill for meteor shower and make a core skill proph only. But this HAS to be made core.
I'm factions only, and can't get into any elite groups, UW/FoW/Urgoz/Deep and if I had nightfall no DoA JUST BECAUSE I DONT HAVE THIS ONE SKILL.
This skill is probably THE most vital Elementalist PvE skill in the entire game. There is also no alternative to meteor shower for factions and nightfall (searing flames is okay, but still is frowned upon in favor for MS).
Meteor Shower made core.
Kool Kirby
Kool Pajamas
Buy prophecies?
Kool Kirby
Its not that simple, you still have to unlock and then go through the hassle of getting the other builds and stuff. Besides, what if someone was a new player and did not know this site existed or did not know that gwiki existed? he would be pretty damn screwed. Thats the point im trying to make.
Osi Ri S
/agree although you can easily fix it by buying prophecies, some people cant and hes right, its a staple for any ele in high end areas.
Voltar
yeah, i'm thinking that the answer is to buy prophecies. anet would be sorta shooting themselves in the foot by eliminating demand for their own product. it really isn't fair to expect that from them if you think about it from their perspective.
Edit: $19.99 on amazon (get it by Tuesday, April 10 if you order it in the next 17 hours and 22 minutes)
Edit: $19.99 on amazon (get it by Tuesday, April 10 if you order it in the next 17 hours and 22 minutes)
mazey vorstagg
A-net will not make it core probably for the above reason. If you have to buy proph to get into Elite groups then they are going to get a lot more prophs sales and therefore get more money (which is what they need). I don't know how A-net survieves on the money it makes currently, they can't be rolling in profit like blizzard.
nugzta
Why would Anet make it core skill if they can make some people having a thought to buy prophecies because of some these skills.
Faer
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Originally Posted by Kool Kirby
(searing flames is okay, but still is frowned upon in favor for MS).
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/sigh (note: expression of distaste, not signature of approval, for those who are reading impared)
I must say, Meteor Shower used to be pretty key to many PvE Elementalist builds. However, nowadays, you can do much more damage in the same amount of time in a much more efficient manner just by spamming Searing Flames. Yes, you lose the three knockdowns from Meteor Shower (which the mobs can run out of anyway), but you gain a few hundred damage, and you come out of a battle with no exhaustion whatsoever, without having to rely on another skill to offset that particular downside (I personally say that's a more than fair trade-off). Searing Flames is far superior to Meteor Shower, but then again, that should be expected of an Elite spell.
That being said, Meteor Shower being moved to the Core set of skill doesn't seem like it'd be a real problem, other than a possibly insignificant loss of profits... However, as I see no reason for the move to be made, and encourage diversity in builds as opposed to "Bring X or don't play at all", I will not sign this particular petition.
dargon
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Originally Posted by mazey vorstagg
A-net will not make it core probably for the above reason. If you have to buy proph to get into Elite groups then they are going to get a lot more prophs sales and therefore get more money (which is what they need). I don't know how A-net survieves on the money it makes currently, they can't be rolling in profit like blizzard.
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Now add in that ANet currently has 114 employees (according to arena.net) and lets give them an avg salary of $50k/year, which works out to 5.7 million / year, that still leaves atleast 90 million for servers, etc.
Sounds fairly profitable to me.
CassiusDrehyg
/notsigned
Cry more carebears. Buy Prophecies.
Cry more carebears. Buy Prophecies.
I Will Heal You Ally
/signed & /not signed
This is why I love GW2. It will have expansions so everyone will be able to buy from scratches and move forward. The biggest problems with Proph and Factions is that they have stopped stocking in not-well known shops and in smaller parts of Europe, while on the other hand if you're a teen your parents will rarely take out their credit card and buy you another game.
I wish in GWEN that there comes a new skill that will pwn MS and put it in forgiveness (possibly with exhaustion) so eles would rarely use double exhaustion if they combine these two. And since it's an expansion all three campaigns will be able to use it.
As for putting MS in core I don't agree with that as much I would like to have the famous Shower. That would be too much power for other campaigns and not much left for Proph.
As far as spamming SF it would be better spam if you combine MS+SF :P
EDIT: Maybe if they lowered recharge time of Meteor it could kinda replace MS (and/or if they removed the exhaustion)
This is why I love GW2. It will have expansions so everyone will be able to buy from scratches and move forward. The biggest problems with Proph and Factions is that they have stopped stocking in not-well known shops and in smaller parts of Europe, while on the other hand if you're a teen your parents will rarely take out their credit card and buy you another game.
I wish in GWEN that there comes a new skill that will pwn MS and put it in forgiveness (possibly with exhaustion) so eles would rarely use double exhaustion if they combine these two. And since it's an expansion all three campaigns will be able to use it.
As for putting MS in core I don't agree with that as much I would like to have the famous Shower. That would be too much power for other campaigns and not much left for Proph.
As far as spamming SF it would be better spam if you combine MS+SF :P
EDIT: Maybe if they lowered recharge time of Meteor it could kinda replace MS (and/or if they removed the exhaustion)
Lydz
/signed
I own all 3 campaigns, and absolutely can't imagine NOT having Meteor Shower, since it's probably the most important direct-damage spell in the game. I feel sorry for those without it!
I own all 3 campaigns, and absolutely can't imagine NOT having Meteor Shower, since it's probably the most important direct-damage spell in the game. I feel sorry for those without it!
The Last Preacher
/NOT SIGNED
That would just make everyone winge about skills they can't get and cause a total mess. Just buy the game and get it. Put some effort in like everyone else.
That would just make everyone winge about skills they can't get and cause a total mess. Just buy the game and get it. Put some effort in like everyone else.
BlackSephir
/not signed
'I dunt have nightfall and i can't get shadow prison- move shadow prison to factions' said whiny assassin
And hundreds of other "move skill x"
'I dunt have nightfall and i can't get shadow prison- move shadow prison to factions' said whiny assassin
And hundreds of other "move skill x"
themeteor
meteor shower is a good skill, but it's only really useful in areas with mass numbers of high health or amour rating as it takes ages to start working. What I'm trying to say is look out side that box and you will find much better builds for normal areas, which really other the challenge argument, you have no reason to leave.
As for it being "THE most vital Elementalist PvE skill in the entire game"
aura of restoration and the attunements are much more important, well in my opinion.
As for it being "THE most vital Elementalist PvE skill in the entire game"
aura of restoration and the attunements are much more important, well in my opinion.
Obey The Cat
any monster in any other chapter DOES NOT HAVE meteor shower. so you don't need it either. 
Not A Fifty Five
/notsigned
If you have only nightfall you have searing flames, and only factions.. well I feel sorry for you in that case lol.
If you have only nightfall you have searing flames, and only factions.. well I feel sorry for you in that case lol.
Div
Find a good guild, go to those higher end areas with your guildies who understand that you don't have prophecies and will work the builds around what the players can play. Anyone who demands meteor shower is not going to be a nice person when doing these missions anyway...
MithranArkanere
Sorry. But It's not like you can't get Meteor Shower at all.
You just get Prophecies, play a cuple of training Arenas, unlock it, then buy it.
You an't buy Prophecies... a shame... I could not buy Collector Factions and had to stuck with normal one. But I'm not asking to make 'Kuunavagh minipet' available for all.
You just get Prophecies, play a cuple of training Arenas, unlock it, then buy it.
You an't buy Prophecies... a shame... I could not buy Collector Factions and had to stuck with normal one. But I'm not asking to make 'Kuunavagh minipet' available for all.
Kool Kirby
Obviously, if they made MS core, they would have to make another core fire skill go to prophecies. So it would be sort of a trade off.
One reason I can't get prophecies right now is that it would take up too much of my time. Some people can't sit and think of tedious builds to work around campaign disabilities. I can, but than other people would reject these builds.
Also @ Shadow Prison: GG moebius strike. Or deadly prison. BoA sin is so vulnerable in a hundred different ways.
The main problem really is; Factions should have been an expansion, and nightfall should have been stand alone like it is, instead of both being stand alone. Factions doesn't have enough good skills to accommodate classes such as PvE eles. It also lacks key skills such as MS and SS.
One reason I can't get prophecies right now is that it would take up too much of my time. Some people can't sit and think of tedious builds to work around campaign disabilities. I can, but than other people would reject these builds.
Also @ Shadow Prison: GG moebius strike. Or deadly prison. BoA sin is so vulnerable in a hundred different ways.
The main problem really is; Factions should have been an expansion, and nightfall should have been stand alone like it is, instead of both being stand alone. Factions doesn't have enough good skills to accommodate classes such as PvE eles. It also lacks key skills such as MS and SS.
legion_rat
Sorry MS isnt that important. Its good yes, it does alot of damage, but there are other skills such as searing flames, that do massive amounts of damage. My ele-hero has MS but i never equip it. One it has a high cost, two it causes exaustion,three heros suck at echo nuking which is what MS is best at. I do no think it should be core.
As far as factions being a expansion and not having good skills. Then why do rits do so well? Why do people bitch about assassins killing to fast. Eles might not have got as much love as they needed but several other proffs did. Spend the 20 bucks get proph unlock MS in pvp and then map to LA. simple. No major grind.
~the rat~
on the other hand i have MS on my sin and nuke well with it.
As far as factions being a expansion and not having good skills. Then why do rits do so well? Why do people bitch about assassins killing to fast. Eles might not have got as much love as they needed but several other proffs did. Spend the 20 bucks get proph unlock MS in pvp and then map to LA. simple. No major grind.
~the rat~
on the other hand i have MS on my sin and nuke well with it.
EternalTempest
As a flame ele, from Tryia, I consider Meteor Shower as part of my main build.
I've adapted over time, away from "echo nuker" to what I like to call "burst" (fireball, phoenix, etc) and Glyph of Elemental Attunement -> Glyph of Energy (Elite) as primary energy management.
I never did get in to the Searing Flames / Sand Storm builds, I found my "burst" build is a nice effective general purpose build in Nightfall.
To nightfall players, I imagine it's hard to think about playing without Searing Flames / SandStorm builds and you could flip the meteor shower argument and make them SF/SS "core" skills.
The other thing with Meteor Shower is at various times it went to Awesome, to hard to use based on how AOE effects Monsters. At first it was devastating, then you had to rely on slowing them down or corning them... only 1 or 2 would hit before they flee, to the "current" aoe where it's the closet to the original "stand while it's raining death".
Prophecies is also know hitting the $20 mark and is getting pretty cheap.
I've adapted over time, away from "echo nuker" to what I like to call "burst" (fireball, phoenix, etc) and Glyph of Elemental Attunement -> Glyph of Energy (Elite) as primary energy management.
I never did get in to the Searing Flames / Sand Storm builds, I found my "burst" build is a nice effective general purpose build in Nightfall.
To nightfall players, I imagine it's hard to think about playing without Searing Flames / SandStorm builds and you could flip the meteor shower argument and make them SF/SS "core" skills.
The other thing with Meteor Shower is at various times it went to Awesome, to hard to use based on how AOE effects Monsters. At first it was devastating, then you had to rely on slowing them down or corning them... only 1 or 2 would hit before they flee, to the "current" aoe where it's the closet to the original "stand while it's raining death".
Prophecies is also know hitting the $20 mark and is getting pretty cheap.
Darth Kukulkan
/NOT SIGNED
Meteor shower is for dumbass, learn to play with another spell, and you can be usefull to your group even without this crappy spell -_-
Thank the Emperor not all Eles are like you, we would really be ridiculous, the true eles
Meteor shower is for dumbass, learn to play with another spell, and you can be usefull to your group even without this crappy spell -_-
Thank the Emperor not all Eles are like you, we would really be ridiculous, the true eles
Anna Ryan
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Kool Kirby
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/NOT SIGNED
Meteor shower is for dumbass, learn to play with another spell, and you can be usefull to your group even without this crappy spell -_- Thank the Emperor not all Eles are like you, we would really be ridiculous, the true eles |
And that goes for everyone else. You may think you may be 1337 and say "oh MS sucks", but 95% of the GW population will laugh at you, pros and noobs alike, ESPECIALLY in high areas. I shouldn't have to pay $20 just to participate in the higher areas like urgoz and the deep.
And I'm sure Anet knew that. Imho, maybe I'm asking for too much, and I should rather be saying that all stupid factions ele skills be buffed. I mean, let me give you a few stupid examples:
1. Double Dragon. A totally useless elite. PBAoE and does as much as fireball, and then again the same damage after two seconds, and its adjacent. 15 energy and THIRTY second cooldown. Give me a break. How idiotic is that? Looks good on paper, but fails in practicality.
2. Breath of Fire: Targets an area and deals damage to adjacent foes for five second. Just a 5 second but more powerful fire storm. 5 ener and THIRTY SECONDS cooldown.
3. Lightning hammer: Same as lightning orb except it isn't a projectile, and for this you pay 10 more energy. It has 1 second less recharge though.
Zaz Xax
my monk cant get Gift of Health because its a Faction-skill. Make it a core spell!!
And please dont tell me that it isnt an importent spell.
You see, a lot of spells are VERY importent as soon as you cant have them :P
And please dont tell me that it isnt an importent spell.
You see, a lot of spells are VERY importent as soon as you cant have them :P
Guardian of the Light
I got a better idea lets nerf Meteor shower
Seriously though you can work around not having Meteor shower. If anyone doesn't let you in then thats a pretty good sign that they you don't want to be in that group anyway.
Seriously though you can work around not having Meteor shower. If anyone doesn't let you in then thats a pretty good sign that they you don't want to be in that group anyway.
Osi Ri S
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[FONT="Book Antiqua"]I must say, Meteor Shower used to be pretty key to many PvE Elementalist builds. However, nowadays, you can do much more damage in the same amount of time in a much more efficient manner just by spamming Searing Flames. Yes, you lose the three knockdowns from Meteor Shower (which the mobs can run out of anyway), but you gain a few hundred damage, and you come out of a battle with no exhaustion whatsoever, without having to rely on another skill to offset that particular downside (I personally say that's a more than fair trade-off). Searing Flames is far superior to Meteor Shower, but then again, that should be expected of an Elite spell.
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Shadow Kurd
/not signed
pay the 20$ do the quest "Chaos in Kryta" and unlock it in LA
You don't hear monks that don't have Nightfall saying ZB should be moved to core or necros that don't have Prophecies saying SS should be moved to core.
pay the 20$ do the quest "Chaos in Kryta" and unlock it in LA
You don't hear monks that don't have Nightfall saying ZB should be moved to core or necros that don't have Prophecies saying SS should be moved to core.
Fender
People still use meteor shower?
/notsigned
/notsigned
Evilsod
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By who, exactly? The legions of people who don't know how to properly execute quick and efficient battle? Please don't say such things, as many people will disagree with you, possibly backing their statements up with factual information.
/sigh (note: expression of distaste, not signature of approval, for those who are reading impared) I must say, Meteor Shower used to be pretty key to many PvE Elementalist builds. However, nowadays, you can do much more damage in the same amount of time in a much more efficient manner just by spamming Searing Flames. Yes, you lose the three knockdowns from Meteor Shower (which the mobs can run out of anyway), but you gain a few hundred damage, and you come out of a battle with no exhaustion whatsoever, without having to rely on another skill to offset that particular downside (I personally say that's a more than fair trade-off). Searing Flames is far superior to Meteor Shower, but then again, that should be expected of an Elite spell. That being said, Meteor Shower being moved to the Core set of skill doesn't seem like it'd be a real problem, other than a possibly insignificant loss of profits... However, as I see no reason for the move to be made, and encourage diversity in builds as opposed to "Bring X or don't play at all", I will not sign this particular petition. |
Aside from MS still been useful in some areas its obviously not that vital... but as elite areas go, it is!
Tbh i think the only reason they made Meteor Shower Prophecies only is to force ele's to buy Prophecies.
Whisper Evenstar
/notsigned
wow, this thread is lasting much longer than it should....
wow, this thread is lasting much longer than it should....
mortis corpus
acually i have to say /notsigned on this one, i have all 3 and if metor shower became a core skill so it be unlocked anywhere whats next cause someone doesnt have a particular game, then there going to beg for there skill as core, phophecies is cheep go buy it add it and unlock it.
Esprit
/notsigned
Meteor Shower is nice, but has limited use if you want it to be worth the energy, the cast time, and the exhaustion. It should not be made core so you can get into a DoA group or wherever it's needed to destroy a large group of enemies at once.
Meteor Shower is nice, but has limited use if you want it to be worth the energy, the cast time, and the exhaustion. It should not be made core so you can get into a DoA group or wherever it's needed to destroy a large group of enemies at once.
Master Ketsu
/notsigned.
If Anet gives you your favorite skill, then others will start whining for their favorite skill to be made core.
Just buy prophecies like the rest of us.
Can this thread die now ?
If Anet gives you your favorite skill, then others will start whining for their favorite skill to be made core.
Just buy prophecies like the rest of us.
Can this thread die now ?
Thomas.knbk
MS kinda sucks.
How about making CRUSHING BLOW core? It's the frekin only way to inflict a deep wound with a hammer warrior.
How about making CRUSHING BLOW core? It's the frekin only way to inflict a deep wound with a hammer warrior.