Hi, I get that I can't sell virtual assets etc. as they don't belong to me, and I don't have the retail boxes because I prefer to download. However, it seems ok to sell boxed retail games generally (just look in Game), wondered how it worked with license keys.
Thanks
Can I sell my license keys?
johnactor
RPGmaniac
When people buy accounts for GW, that is what they are buying, the license keys. And in the EULA it says you can't sell anything that belongs to Anet, including the license keys used to make GW accounts.
Short answer: you can't sell the license keys (that is also a common scam too, sell a used license key and get some RL money for it too)
Short answer: you can't sell the license keys (that is also a common scam too, sell a used license key and get some RL money for it too)
Darcy
Selling, or offering for sale, a registered key will result in a permanent ban for the account if reported to ArenaNet. (This also covers letting someone else play on your account.)
You can check under Legal on guildwars.com for further info.
But this is how the story usually unfolds:
1. Player A buys game, creates account, registers key, plays game
2. Player A sells game to Player B and gives the account login info, but no game materials, key slip, account creation info
3. Player B cannot change login email, but changes password
4. Player A wants game back, so reports hacking of account
5a. Player B cannot offer proofs of ownership, so account password is reset and account given back to Player A. Player B is banned from ever owning a Guild Wars account, and if already owns another one, that will also be closed.
5b. Player B can prove purchase from Player A, so account is perma banned. Both Player B and Player A are perma banned for all GW accounts.
You can check under Legal on guildwars.com for further info.
But this is how the story usually unfolds:
1. Player A buys game, creates account, registers key, plays game
2. Player A sells game to Player B and gives the account login info, but no game materials, key slip, account creation info
3. Player B cannot change login email, but changes password
4. Player A wants game back, so reports hacking of account
5a. Player B cannot offer proofs of ownership, so account password is reset and account given back to Player A. Player B is banned from ever owning a Guild Wars account, and if already owns another one, that will also be closed.
5b. Player B can prove purchase from Player A, so account is perma banned. Both Player B and Player A are perma banned for all GW accounts.
Lydz
XD it's a harsh world!
Smile Like Umean It
I know it's against the EULA, but you don't actually agree to it until you create the account, right?
Or the second you buy it you're bound to it?
Or the second you buy it you're bound to it?
Lydz
I don't think there's anything wrong with selling the key before you use it...or am I wrong?
Kook~NBK~
Ask A-net. They'll give you the best answer.
Darcy
The EULA only affects "registered" keys. I can buy a GW game and give it away as a present or re-sell to someone as long as I did not register the key on a GW account.
Once the key has been added to an account, ownership can never be transferred.
Personally, I would never buy a key without the unopened game package as this forum site sees a lot of posts about people buying a key and then finding out its a used one.
Once the key has been added to an account, ownership can never be transferred.
Personally, I would never buy a key without the unopened game package as this forum site sees a lot of posts about people buying a key and then finding out its a used one.
Loviatar
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Lydz
Yes thought so 
EDIT: OK didn't think so Loviatar but nice to know ^^ the above was aimed at Darcy lol
EDIT: OK didn't think so Loviatar but nice to know ^^ the above was aimed at Darcy lol
Darcy
@Lovitar - yes, that quote covers letting your best friend use your account, then he gives log-in info to someone else who changes the password and steals your account.
You will never see the account again. If you complain to ANet, they will go through the usual process to determine ownership and perma ban the account because you violated the terms.
You will never see the account again. If you complain to ANet, they will go through the usual process to determine ownership and perma ban the account because you violated the terms.
flyinhigh
thier eula specifically states that it is against it to transfer in any way. one caveat to that is that there is nothing legally binding you to follow that eula.
Sofonisba
Loviatar’s quote I believe refers to used keys.
I don’t have access to the emails right now, but I can tell you that it is OK to transfer UNUSED keys, or at least it was in 2005.
The reason I know this, is because I wanted to give a second account to a guildie—who lives in a different hemisphere--as a Xmas present 2005. I was very worried about this “transferring” situation so I emailed ANet. (This was back before extra character slots, or even the on-line store.) I explained how I wanted to do it, and asked if it was all right to buy a box in the store and pm the code to my friend via our forum.
I received a real-human-person emailed response, that as long as they key is unused, you may transfer it how you wish.
I don’t have access to the emails right now, but I can tell you that it is OK to transfer UNUSED keys, or at least it was in 2005.
The reason I know this, is because I wanted to give a second account to a guildie—who lives in a different hemisphere--as a Xmas present 2005. I was very worried about this “transferring” situation so I emailed ANet. (This was back before extra character slots, or even the on-line store.) I explained how I wanted to do it, and asked if it was all right to buy a box in the store and pm the code to my friend via our forum.
I received a real-human-person emailed response, that as long as they key is unused, you may transfer it how you wish.
Loviatar
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no it applies to all transference of keys and note your other point which makes all the difference.
that makes all the difference as a purchased gift as no revenue is lost to Anet on that
you are not transfering your key but buying a new game
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you are not transfering your key but buying a new game
Darcy
@flynhigh - It doesn't need to bind you. You are free to act as you please, as long as you are willing to accept the consequences. You might think you could sue ArenaNet and win, but I very much doubt it. ANet enforces their EULA which makes it defensible in court.
ArenaNet's stance is that they are selling you access to their servers, not just a game. They have the legal right to stop that access for any reason. The EULA and other legal statements on their part simply infom you of the most common reasons for denying that access to an individual.
ArenaNet's stance is that they are selling you access to their servers, not just a game. They have the legal right to stop that access for any reason. The EULA and other legal statements on their part simply infom you of the most common reasons for denying that access to an individual.
lennymon
I can't see buying a key from plaync.com and giving it away ever causing a ban, but reselling it *may* be a sticky point is my guess (but... just a guess, Anet will give you a better response should they actually respond)
johnactor
hey thanks all, i knew i'd get a very quick response.
Interesting that you can't even give it away A pity too given I'm off to Lord of the Rings online.
Still, this is without question a tremendous MMO and I've thoroughly enjoyed it, I've talked to a whole load of MMO players here in work, mostly WoW, who have been consistently impressed with Guild Wars but, due to their lack of publicity and marketing, don't advertise all the software's strengths like they could.
Interesting that you can't even give it away
A pity too given I'm off to Lord of the Rings online.Still, this is without question a tremendous MMO and I've thoroughly enjoyed it, I've talked to a whole load of MMO players here in work, mostly WoW, who have been consistently impressed with Guild Wars but, due to their lack of publicity and marketing, don't advertise all the software's strengths like they could.