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Fox Reeveheart

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Michigan

none q.q

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12 Apr 2007 at 21:20 - 1

Ok this is another promise GW backed out on, I remember specifically before GW was even released that eventually new playable races would be coming out for the expansions >.< but none of that has come to pass, i see there are new races such as the asura but there has been absolutely no mention of them being playable....

I look at GW2 and it says THREE PLAYABLE RACES! LIKE THE CHARR! new!!!! what the hell!? GW2 is not an expansion its a whole new game

it says the asurans are playable... why can't they just give in and make them playable for the new expansion also? actually technically its the first TRUE expansion but whatever.

Seriously gaile and all of you... why do you go back on these? I would just ONCE like get away from the human model.

pigdestroyer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Los Chavos Del [ocho]

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12 Apr 2007 at 21:25 - 2

link to where they said there will be races in GW. k thx.

Fox Reeveheart

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Michigan

none q.q

D/

12 Apr 2007 at 21:30 - 3

dude this was on the guild wars site literally about two years ago because guild wars was released. they announced new races would come with expansions... why do you think people made a stink about no new races when each of the expansions came out? because gw even said they would q.q... i saw it with my own eyes!

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

12 Apr 2007 at 21:31 - 4

I've never heard anyone say they were working on making different races playable in GW. Please provide a link to where you heard that they would introduce them. Thank you.

logan90

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

12 Apr 2007 at 21:32 - 5

They said they might do races after a couple of chapters were out, not that they would. All they were stating was the possibility.

And GW2 does not have 3 playable races. There are the Humans, Charr, Asura, Norns and Sylvari. That's 5 there alone, and they said that there are a few more which havn't been announced yet.

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

12 Apr 2007 at 21:33 - 6

Arena Net has never said they would introduce playable races in Guild Wars. They have however said they will introduce playable races in GW2.

Eldin

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

America. How about you, commie?

Fellows of Mythgar [FOM]

R/Mo

12 Apr 2007 at 21:36 - 7

You've never heard of the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing word "engine" (well, now you've heard it five times).

Guild Wars does not have an engine capable (or does it?) of allowing for new playable races and such. That's why they must wait until GW2, with a new game, and new engine, and new freedoms, for doing so.

GW:EN will introduce us, however, to GW2's races as npcs and such.

MirageMaster

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2007

EU

12 Apr 2007 at 21:40 - 8

Still i dont like to wait 2 or 3 years to play charr!!!! >_<

Lonesamurai

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Cheltenham, Glos, UK

Wolf Pack Samurai [WPS]

R/A

12 Apr 2007 at 21:42 - 9

Please Fow, link us to or Quote where ANet said new races would be added...

All I remember, and after having gone through a lot of the old press releases i still can't see it, but all i remember was the community begging for playable races in GW

Oh, and just for the record, consider GW2 an expansion as you can link it to GW1

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

12 Apr 2007 at 21:54 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by MirageMaster

Still i dont like to wait 2 or 3 years to play charr!!!! >_<

Either deal with it or play a different game.

mazik

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2007

Rt/

12 Apr 2007 at 21:59 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fox Reeveheart

Ok this is another promise GW backed out on, I remember specifically before GW was even released that eventually new playable races would be coming out for the expansions >.< but none of that has come to pass, i see there are new races such as the asura but there has been absolutely no mention of them being playable....

I look at GW2 and it says THREE PLAYABLE RACES! LIKE THE CHARR! new!!!! what the hell!? GW2 is not an expansion its a whole new game

it says the asurans are playable... why can't they just give in and make them playable for the new expansion also? actually technically its the first TRUE expansion but whatever.

Seriously gaile and all of you... why do you go back on these? I would just ONCE like get away from the human model.

They said they would add new professions as new chapters came out. The only thing that was said about new races is some things Gaile or some devs may have mentioned that they are interested in including them in the future. And why does it matter? GW2 will cost the price of a typical game. A new chapter would cost the same price as a typical game. You're paying the same money so why does it matter? Besides, how would you incorporate new races in to previous chapters? I see no problem why they're waiting for the next game to have new races.

P.S. There are 4 new races announced, not 3;P (Sylvari, Asura, Charr and Norn).

Lydz

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Cape Town, South Africa

The Crazy Dragons [TCD]

E/Mo

12 Apr 2007 at 22:11 - 12

Be grateful we're at least getting races in GW2!

jshrimp3

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

Pittsburgh

The AIDS Brigades

N/

12 Apr 2007 at 22:14 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

Oh, and just for the record, consider GW2 an expansion as you can link it to GW1

It can only be linked with the Hall of Monuments stuff, your characters can't carry over. So no, it's not an expansion, because it doesn't expand on your previous character development. You start afresh, but can have some bonus through the Hall of Monuments. Also, an expansion implies that you need the original to play it, which isn't true about GW2.

ElinoraNeSangre

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Near Seattle, WA

Talionis De Cineris [EXUR]

N/Me

12 Apr 2007 at 22:24 - 14

If I understand correctly, Eye of the North requires you to already have a GW chapter. This implies to me that it's all high level content.

Now, perhaps I'm missing the bus here, but the current model is being abandoned in favor of a new one. So they scrapped a lot of things they'd planned anyway. It doesn't matter if they said they would or wouldn't or whatever, it still is how it is. The current model isn't sustainable to ANet, so therefore, it wouldn't make sense to include massive changes to include another playable race when it can just be nicely worked into something new. Mazik's right on the money. It just makes more sense.

Additionally, with EotN looking like high level content and requiring a previous chapter, the impression I get is that there won't be character creation. There may be, but what I'm seeing is that this chapter is a place to take existing characters and play, not to create new ones. So... no matter how you cut it, it makes sense to have this stuff in GW2.

Jamison0071

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

Melbourne, Australia

Morporkian Mercenaries

N/Me

12 Apr 2007 at 22:27 - 15

This may be what he is refering too:

Taken from www.guildwars.com

Quote:

What playable races are there in Guild Wars?

In the first chapter you play characters from the human race. In subsequent chapters of Guild Wars, you may be able to play members of other races.

Link: http://www.guildwars.com/support/faq/prophecies-faq.php

Notice it says may, doesn't sound like a promise to me.

aaje vhanli

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

12 Apr 2007 at 22:33 - 16

This is most likely one of those things that they found too difficult to implement in the current game system; thus one of the many reasons for the coming of GW2 (to introduce ideas that aNet have that they think would be better implemented in a new game altogether).

Fox Reeveheart, you might also be thinking of Professions... as aNet said they'd introduce new professions in every additional Campaign for GW1.

-- Which they did.

The Ernada

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

12 Apr 2007 at 22:37 - 17

This always happens. Whenever ANET says they MAY do something or that something MIGHT be in the works, people automatically think it's a promise. People have such an unreasonable sense of entitlement nowadays.

salamanca

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Bookhouse boys

R/

12 Apr 2007 at 22:52 - 18

I for one am sort of happy it's just humans. The rest of the fantasy games are all cookie cutter races of elves and dwarves and the rest. Been there done that.

This is as bad as the kid I ran into last week crying because his elementalist couldn't get "shoulder" armor like the warrior next to him had. You can't tell me you bought this game solely on speculation races would be added. You bought this game because you liked what you saw at the time and it interested you.

LoKi Foxfire

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Florida

One Corgi Army {OCA}

R/Rt

12 Apr 2007 at 23:11 - 19

They did say there might be new playable races but you also have to take into account that these guys were basically making a brand new expansion every 6 months. It's practically unheard of having new, standalone content provided every 9 months (or whatever the actual time is, I don't know) - either way, they were too busy trying to meet the deadline. Hell, they didn't even have time to release the elite mission with NF itself because they didn't have enough time.

So now they got smart and decided to make one final expansion and also create the new Guild Wars 2 where they would apply what they learned from Guild Wars 1. There's already a ton of articles so I shouldn't have to expand forever on it. GW has by no means been perfect and had been missing a huge amount of basic functionality that MMORPGs have been offering for years but you gotta take into account their insane development time.

It could be worse, we could just have another repeat of Factions where the PvE is stale and boring. :P

Maximumraver

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

The Netherlands

Twisted Revenge [TR]

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12 Apr 2007 at 23:27 - 20

you may be able to play members of other races.

isn't

you will be able to play members of other races.

Onarik Amrak

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2007

Astral Revenants

P/W

12 Apr 2007 at 23:45 - 21

Do you remember how in PCGamer they were coming up with all these ideas, and in the end it culminated in GW2?

Perhaps they were looking to add different playable races into GW but could not fit it into the existing framework of the game and keep it balanced. Therefore, that could have been one of the major reasons why they scrapped Campaign 4 in favor of a whole new game.

Lonesamurai

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Cheltenham, Glos, UK

Wolf Pack Samurai [WPS]

R/A

12 Apr 2007 at 23:50 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by jshrimp3

It can only be linked with the Hall of Monuments stuff, your characters can't carry over. So no, it's not an expansion, because it doesn't expand on your previous character development. You start afresh, but can have some bonus through the Hall of Monuments. Also, an expansion implies that you need the original to play it, which isn't true about GW2.

Your right, however, for those like us that have already got GW and will be getting EotN and linking, then it will be just like adding another chapter, especially as to link GW2 characters to GW1 you need to use the same name...

To me, it has the feeling of being, although a new game, a good follow on and a true stand alone chapter

aaje vhanli

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

12 Apr 2007 at 23:58 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

to link GW2 characters to GW1 you need to use the same name...

They said in the PC Gamer article that you will be able to choose which GW1 name to link a GW2 character to for Hall of Monuments. The two linked characters do not have to be the same name, but your GW1 names will be reserved should you choose to reuse them.

KANE OG

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2005

Ogmios Graybeards

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13 Apr 2007 at 00:03 - 24

Asinine whine thread in progress... IBL. Beam me the hell outta here Scotty. Man I can't believe the amount of complaining people do over the stupidest things in these forums.

There ARE other games to play, a world outside, etc.

KANE

lacasner

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

13 Apr 2007 at 00:06 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by KANE OG

Asinine whine thread in progress... IBL. Beam me the hell outta here Scotty. Man I can't believe the amount of complaining people do over the stupidest things in these forums.

There ARE other games to play, a world outside, etc.

KANE

And you're being forced to read them because?

Lonesamurai

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Cheltenham, Glos, UK

Wolf Pack Samurai [WPS]

R/A

13 Apr 2007 at 00:53 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaje vhanli

They said in the PC Gamer article that you will be able to choose which GW1 name to link a GW2 character to for Hall of Monuments. The two linked characters do not have to be the same name, but your GW1 names will be reserved should you choose to reuse them.

Well, apart from all the other interviews, i haven't read teh PC Gamer interview (It's not out here in our PC Zone until may 29th) so thanks for letting me know..

However, even better, but my point still stands that if you link your characters through teh hall of monuments, it may aswell be another chapter, just with a new game engine

Rurik Jangeer

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

[FINE] Fat Insecure Neurotic Emotional

P/W

13 Apr 2007 at 01:19 - 27

LESZ Q Q MOAR PEW PEW pl0x

They didn't make any promises

floppinghog

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

pit of brimstone

Squad Six Six Six [ssss]

A/Me

13 Apr 2007 at 03:09 - 28

I think you call this rage-stupidity or something of that nature... but I'm no expert.

Calahan

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2005

Europe->Poland->Łódź

Alea Iacta Est [AIE]

Mo/

13 Apr 2007 at 05:39 - 29

Link or never happened
It was like "anything is posible in GW" not "There will be other playable races in GW".

Arduin

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

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13 Apr 2007 at 06:42 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calahan

Link or never happened
It was like "anything is posible in GW" not "There will be other playable races in GW".

Posted on the first page:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...5&postcount=15

I'm quite happy with the human-only concept for Guild Wars, to be honest. The different professions make up for the loss of playable races. And because of balance issues, all races would have to have the same stats, so the difference would be only cosmetic.

Craywulf

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

Righteous and Honorable (RAH)

N/Me

13 Apr 2007 at 07:11 - 31

I keep reading comments about expansions every 6 months. Factions and Nightfall are technically NOT expansions unless you already own one or two of the other Guild Wars games, only then does it become an expansion. And if you wanna get more technical You would have to have started from Prophencies in order for Factions and Nightfall to be played as expansion.

Anyway, so when ArenaNet put these games out they HAD to introduce new players to the world of Guild Wars with new professions to keep from it being more of the same.

Eye of the North is actually going to be a true expansion that focuses more on the story to bring everything and everyone together, including the Charr. I suspect that the ending of Eye of the North we will see a threat far greater than the Charr, hence the reason why they will be playable among other new races in Guild Wars 2.

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

13 Apr 2007 at 07:19 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by lacasner

And you're being forced to read them because?

It's my job, and this kind of thing makes me miserable on the job. When that happens, men die!

This thread has spiraled off the first point, and we don't really need another thread discussing EoTN and GW2, especially one that isn't even organized towards it.