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Cynical Modder

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

The Saphires

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13 Apr 2007 at 20:12 - 1

I noticed that Europe has Favor of the Gods like 75% of the time. I have been watching this for some time now. America does not get favor until the wee hours of the night. Around 12-1:30 AM EST. And once they get it, they lose it again around 4-6 AM EST. This is a re-occurring problem. And much to say not only for america, but its maybe once a week that Korea might win a single lousy match and lose it again, Japan usually wins a single lousy match maybe once a day. The deal with this problem is being able to venture through the Underworld and Fissure of Woe. My question would be, Is there something that can be done to even it up more? I bet Korea or Japan don't even know what it looks like in these 2 areas. Please do something to make it more fair to the playing community that supports your games only with complaints and tired nights to be able to play in these areas.

Crazyvietguy

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13 Apr 2007 at 20:19 - 2

Its completely fair, If you win and hold HoH you should be able to have favor

To be blunt, America just doesnt play HoH like Europe does. If you really wanna do something about it start rallying your guild to be active in HA. BUT if you dont wanna participate in HA and just want to ***** and moan go ahead, it wont change anything. I've done my share of HA and dont want to put any more effort at it, and I frankly dont mind because there is a million other places to farm besides FoW and UW.

Just do FoW and UW on weekends when Americans have time and get favor around 7-8 EST.

Swift Thief

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Join Date: Feb 2007

Aatxe Pirates [YaRR]

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13 Apr 2007 at 20:34 - 3

it isn't fair at all. Europe has a lot of people with no lives (no offence) and the majority of Guild Wars are Europeans. I think that Taiwan, Japan, Korea, and eventually China and Russia should all be one territory, Asia. It isn't fair because Europe is one continent with like 20 countries. Also, favor should affect the cost of accessing the realm of the gods. With favor, it should be free to 500G, and for those who don't have favor, 1K. Also, America hardly ever has favor at 7-8 EST. America usually gets favor at 10:00 - 1:00 EST. I mean, most of the time, we don't even have favor at 10:00-12:00. In Europe (GMT), that is like 3:00-5:00 AM. I mean, who plays GW this late at night!!!

aB-

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

13 Apr 2007 at 20:37 - 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazyvietguy

Just do FoW and UW on weekends when Americans have time and get favor around 7-8 EST.

Unfortunately, some people might have obligations on weekends and can only participate on weekdays. Why force a PvE player to go out and compete in a relatively high level PvP area to unlock PvE content?

This has been debated to death in many favor threads. It is pointless to continue arguing, but you can search for some of these favor threads.

sykoone

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mystical Chaos

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13 Apr 2007 at 20:38 - 5

This has been an issue pretty much since day one. It used to be America always had favor, and Europe griped about it. Now Europe always has favor, and America gripes about it. The PvE crowd complains they can't access these high-end zones without playing PvP, which the majority don't want to do. The PvP crowd says quit griping and play PvP to get favor.

Unless Anet decides to have more open weekends, or separate PvE access from PvP victories, this isn't going to change.

Cynical Modder

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

The Saphires

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13 Apr 2007 at 20:42 - 6

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazyvietguy

Its completely fair, If you win and hold HoH you should be able to have favor

To be blunt, America just doesnt play HoH like Europe does. If you really wanna do something about it start rallying your guild to be active in HA. BUT if you dont wanna participate in HA and just want to ***** and moan go ahead, it wont change anything. I've done my share of HA and dont want to put any more effort at it, and I frankly dont mind because there is a million other places to farm besides FoW and UW.

Just do FoW and UW on weekends when Americans have time and get favor around 7-8 EST.

First off, this thread wasn't started for people to state how well amercans play, how fair it is, and to recieve negative replies. This thread was started for the simple fact, that wether america plays like europe or not, is to maximize the playing ability of the game. People get enough from HoH let alone having the UW and FoW controlled by who wins. Doing something like on the weekends, make it where the UW and FoW are open for all but still have to pay the fee to enter. Or once a month a weekend where favor is not a virtue. One a month have some kind of a weekend special. This past weekend special from what I understand was the first in over 2 years. And its kind of odd that the times that favor is granted is so close to the same its like a habbit. I could care less about HoH, I could care less about how well Europe, America, Japan, Korea and however many others can recieve favor. I can care less about anything that has to do with any kind of PvP that is involved in the game. The whole PvE section of the game, which more time was put into should NOT be designated around the ability of the PvP community. I posted this thread because GW themselves stated that I should post this in a community fansite. And quote on quote they said, "Thank you for your efforts in assisting us to make Guild Wars the best gaming experience possible." You read it right. BEST GAMING EXPERIENCE POSSIBLE. So if you ain't got nothing better to do than sit there and insult and whine about what I should do, post something with more intelligence in making the BEST GAME EXPERIENCE POSSIBLE.

Rod Adams

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2006

13 Apr 2007 at 20:48 - 7

For all of those who say things like "If you want to do UW/FoW more, go play HoH and get favor!".....

When have you EVER seen a team win the five HoH matches in a row to get favor, and THEN say "laterz.... we were just here to get access to UW".? The answer is.... never. They are just completely different methods of playing.

Cynical Modder

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

The Saphires

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13 Apr 2007 at 20:50 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rod Adams

For all of those who say things like "If you want to do UW/FoW more, go play HoH and get favor!".....

When have you EVER seen a team win the five HoH matches in a row to get favor, and THEN say "laterz.... we were just here to get access to UW".? The answer is.... never. They are just completely different methods of playing.

Now THAT'S the spirit I'm looking for ^^^ RIGHT THERE!!!! Way to go.

NickelPlate

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2006

N/E

13 Apr 2007 at 20:57 - 9

I've read and heard other places that Europe does have a majority as far as the number of players is concerned. Does anyone have definite numbers on this?

If true, then I think it would be reasonable that Anet does something to "balance" the otherwise imbalance in the number of European players over other countries. Although I'm not sure how practical or easy it would be to do. You can't control how many Europeans, Americans etc buy the game. And even if every country had an equal number of players, you can't control how many are actually active and playing the game, let alone HoH.

Personally I wish they would just do away with the whole favor of the Gods thing to get into FoW and UW and come up with some other requirement to get in. Nothing to easy or cheap but realistically accessible, or have more "favorless" weekend events. I've been wanting to do UW with some guildies for weeks now, but we all work during the week and just haven't been on at the "right" time, we're a PvE guild so winning it for ourselves isn't an option.

Replicant

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/Me

13 Apr 2007 at 20:59 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rod Adams

For all of those who say things like "If you want to do UW/FoW more, go play HoH and get favor!".....

When have you EVER seen a team win the five HoH matches in a row to get favor, and THEN say "laterz.... we were just here to get access to UW".? The answer is.... never. They are just completely different methods of playing.

well said.

PvP should NOT control PvE environments..... EVER... 2 completely separate types of gameplay.

Smile Like Umean It

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

E/Rt

13 Apr 2007 at 21:02 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazyvietguy

Its completely fair, If you win and hold HoH you should be able to have favor

To be blunt, America just doesnt play HoH like Europe does. If you really wanna do something about it start rallying your guild to be active in HA. BUT if you dont wanna participate in HA and just want to ***** and moan go ahead, it wont change anything. I've done my share of HA and dont want to put any more effort at it, and I frankly dont mind because there is a million other places to farm besides FoW and UW.

Just do FoW and UW on weekends when Americans have time and get favor around 7-8 EST.

Uh, I've never set foot in HoH and the only time I've ever seen it was in observer mode when I was bored and waiting on guildies. I have access to FoW/UW 100% of the time. Please explain to me exactly how I deserve it more than any other person on this forum.

Ecklipze

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

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13 Apr 2007 at 21:13 - 12

Lol, nice to see some Americans think of us Europeans as people who play this game 24/7

Cynical Modder

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

The Saphires

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13 Apr 2007 at 21:16 - 13

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Originally Posted by Ecklipze

Lol, nice to see some Americans think of us Europeans as people who play this game 24/7

No. Not 24/7. Just the 20 hours that you contain favor but no offence on my part. Its not who plays more. Its the fact that PvE is Affected by PvP players. As other have said, 2 completely different game types.

Crazyvietguy

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

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13 Apr 2007 at 21:18 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Replicant

PvP should NOT control PvE environments..... EVER... 2 completely separate types of gameplay.

I agree with this totally, however until this is put into a effect we must have players who are interested in PvP/PvE to get interested. I enjoy PvP and PvE as much as any of you.

But for the time being PvP HA effects PvE, simple. You can complain all you want but thats the way it is. All i was saying is if America gets the ball rolling, we can have more players playing HA meaning more chances to win. Simple as that.

And I loved the free weekend, definently should have more of those

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Originally Posted by Smile Like Umean It

Please explain to me exactly how I deserve it more than any other person on this forum.

And, dont act dumb... by "you" I mean your country.

Cynical Modder

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

The Saphires

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13 Apr 2007 at 21:22 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazyvietguy

I've done my share of HA and dont want to put any more effort at it, and I frankly dont mind because there is a million other places to farm besides FoW and UW.

I have been through the some odd 10's...20's of pages in the farming section. I farm the UW for ectos to sell to make a little money and not one thread that I have read contains ANYTHING that has to do with the money you can pull out of the UW. Nothing even compares and if there is a spot, I wish for someone to point out a build and location for this so called area that will pull even almost as much in as little the time. It won't happen.

Crazyvietguy

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Join Date: Aug 2005

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13 Apr 2007 at 21:41 - 16

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Originally Posted by Cynical Modder

Nothing even compares and if there is a spot, I wish for someone to point out a build and location for this so called area that will pull even almost as much in as little the time. It won't happen.

Sure I can agree with that. True there are more diverse builds for UW to pull out ectos which sell at 9k (just a general number). Now i can do around a 10-15 min run in UW with usually a net 1 ecto per run. Thats around 5 ectos an hour, which is very very good money.

While you cant make that kind of money out of UW. You can make good money. And if you looked through 10 pages, I suggest you look at the second thread (after the sticky's) on the first page. This is a quick run with about a 3-5k net worth per run. Now I realize thats nothing compared to the around 10k worth of a UW run, but thats not bad considering you dont need favor.

Tombs is fairly profitable, DoA farming is very profitable, Arborstone isnt bad, 55ing elite sunspears isnt bad, dragon mosses are quick, Trolls arent near as good as they used to be but are quick, Giants, Hydras, Bug farming, Dijnns.

Just to name a few. While some of these make more money than others they all net in profit. BUT you have a very valid point that UW is the most profitable by far. However, You cannot rule out these areas either.

Smile Like Umean It

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

E/Rt

13 Apr 2007 at 22:01 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazyvietguy

And, dont act dumb... by "you" I mean your country.

Yeah, that makes sense... except the part where most of the country doesn't go for favor. And even some PVP players would rather do things like GVG.
So, I can't tell whether you mean a country should have the option of FoW/UW because of the few who win in HoH or that only the few who win should have the option since they're the one's who actually won it.

RhanoctJocosa

Legendary Korean

Join Date: Aug 2006

The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

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14 Apr 2007 at 08:57 - 18

America has it's fair share of favour. And, besides, the game doesn't revolve around UW/FoW.

Someone has to say it; QQ MOAR PLZ. Kthxbai

PS: This system has been working for ages, get over it.

Etta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Mancland, British Empire

14 Apr 2007 at 09:08 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swift Thief

It isn't fair because Europe is one country with like 6 countries.

Only 6! rofl, I only wish that EU only have 6 nations.

Yanman.be

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

Belgium

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14 Apr 2007 at 09:25 - 20

Well I guess we forget 2005 then? What region was blaming the other region for being sucky at "tombs"? That's right. Americans on the forum said: "If you want to do UW/FoW, get better at pvp or QQ more."

netniwk

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2005

Bellgium

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14 Apr 2007 at 09:32 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swift Thief

It isn't fair because Europe is one country with like 6 countries.

I lol'ed,dont we have like 25 country's atm?

ss1986v2

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Mo/

14 Apr 2007 at 09:36 - 22

its always been an issue, but not one that ever gathers enough momentum to actually change it. in the end, thats just the way FoW/UW access works. end of discussion. not to be harsh, but if you dont like it, too bad. i dont like that i dont have a 1970 Chevy Chevelle SS sitting in my driveway. but i get over it. sry, but any sense of entitlement, especially when concerning a game, just gets no sympathy imo.

would it be nice to access FoW/UW whenever i wanted? sure. but thats not the way it works, so ive gotten over it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swift Thief

It isn't fair because Europe is one country with like 6 countries.

made me giggle, then weep at the state of our public education system. no child left behind my arse...

Shadow Kurd

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

Netherlands

Scouts of Tyria

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14 Apr 2007 at 09:38 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yanman.be

Well I guess we forget 2005 then? What region was blaming the other region for being sucky at "tombs"? That's right. Americans on the forum said: "If you want to do UW/FoW, get better at pvp or QQ more."

Exactly, it wasn't broken for you guys when you had the favor all the time. So why is it broken all of a sudden?

and it makes perfectly sense. Its a realm of a god, the god will only let you in his realm if your in his favor.

=HT=Ingram

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2005

Anchorage Alaska

Haz Team [HT]

R/W

14 Apr 2007 at 09:47 - 24

To be fair for months upon months upon months Europe didn't ever have favor. it was always America... SO I really don't feel bad either way.

Like the man said, if America wants favor all they got to do is show up to play HA and they will get it... Its a shear numbers thing... ATM America really does not care for UW anymore as Ecto and Shards are not that big a deal now that GW2 is going to happen and all that Useless farming and hording is moot.

Even when the America had favor you have any idea how many groups went down to UW overall to actually DO something down there, instead of solo farm it? I'm betting its less then 1/2 of 1%. So I just don't find it in myself to care now. HA the way it was was fun, now, its just stupid... So says practically anyone that ever played it in the classic days IE when it was TOMBS!

Ever since the battle isle came about its been down hill. With all time low at the reduction to 6 and the new HoH rules... Its just not the game I purchased anymore... So I moved on to other more interesting things in PvE instead.

savage vapor 33

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Regems Basement

The Malevolent Wolfpack [tMw]

14 Apr 2007 at 09:49 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cynical Modder

My question would be, Is there something that can be done to even it up more?

Win halls 4 times, switch ur account to Europe, wait for Anet to do something about it. I gave you three options, pick 1.

Option 2 is my fav. :P

Illuminator

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2007

Elysium of Angels

W/R

14 Apr 2007 at 09:56 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swift Thief

it isn't fair at all. Europe has a lot of people with no lives (no offence) and the majority of Guild Wars are Europeans. I think that Taiwan, Japan, Korea, and eventually China and Russia should all be one territory, Asia. It isn't fair because Europe is one country with like 6 countries. Also, favor should affect the cost of accessing the realm of the gods. With favor, it should be free to 500G, and for those who don't have favor, 1K. Also, America hardly ever has favor at 7-8 EST. America usually gets favor at 10:00 - 1:00 EST. I mean, most of the time, we don't even have favor at 10:00-12:00. In Europe (GMT), that is like 3:00-5:00 AM. I mean, who plays GW this late at night!!!

This made me laugh, people from the USA got so good geography knowledge.
Europe is a CONTINENT, and surprise we got lifes!!! zomg ohnoz!!!
And there is about 30+ countries in Europe and 27 of the is a member of EU.

Got to love american ignorance, so funny when they think that Iraq lies in Australia..

Shadow Kurd

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

Netherlands

Scouts of Tyria

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14 Apr 2007 at 10:45 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Illuminator

This made me laugh, people from the USA got so good geography knowledge.
Europe is a CONTINENT, and surprise we got lifes!!! zomg ohnoz!!!
And there is about 30+ countries in Europe and 27 of the is a member of EU.

Got to love american ignorance, so funny when they think that Iraq lies in Australia..

WE ARE GONNA INVADE CANADA!!!

the famous video

Free Runner

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

GW2G

Knights Of The Sacred Light [KSL]

14 Apr 2007 at 11:06 - 28

Yep back in 05 America held favor and Europe had it for about an hour at a time. Now that we hold favor more it is broken all of a sudden......

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swift Thief

it isn't fair at all. Europe has a lot of people with no lives (no offence) and the majority of Guild Wars are Europeans. I think that Taiwan, Japan, Korea, and eventually China and Russia should all be one territory, Asia. It isn't fair because Europe is one country with like 6 countries. Also, favor should affect the cost of accessing the realm of the gods. With favor, it should be free to 500G, and for those who don't have favor, 1K. Also, America hardly ever has favor at 7-8 EST. America usually gets favor at 10:00 - 1:00 EST. I mean, most of the time, we don't even have favor at 10:00-12:00. In Europe (GMT), that is like 3:00-5:00 AM. I mean, who plays GW this late at night!!!

Europe has alot of people with no lives!!!!! its not that the different countrys in Europe have different times its just that our whole 6 countries have people with no lives!

Man that post made me laugh.

darkknightdominator

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2006

Scotland

Greedy Monkeys

E/Mo

14 Apr 2007 at 11:41 - 29

If its true that europe has more players, then thats an interesting one. Considering the fact that America is A) Larger than europe, B) has a significant population, somewhat comparable to europe, C) Invented the internet in the first place, D) gets PC hardware and software SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than europe does, and E) is always the favoured time zone by Anet for releasing weekend events.

Oh im complaining? sorry. ill stop. After all, i do have favor. ^_^

MirkoTeran

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Slovenia

Scars Meadows [SMS]

Mo/

14 Apr 2007 at 11:57 - 30

Poor dead horse.

....can we get a lock on this?

idicious

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

Holland

LoD

P/W

14 Apr 2007 at 12:01 - 31

To all the pvp haters I'd say go try it and broaden your horizon's a bit, I was pure avid pve no pvp till about a month ago and started then a bit there. At first I thought it was frustrating but once you learn to understand it it gets very fun, it did for me at least. Now I do a fair share of both, I love my pve chars but I also enjoy just quickly making and deleting pvp chars for what I need, its different, but definately not mutually exclusive. The knowledge I've gained there has also helped me become better in pve besides that.

savage vapor 33

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Regems Basement

The Malevolent Wolfpack [tMw]

14 Apr 2007 at 12:21 - 32

America is always supposed to be out on top! We should never not have favor! Europe is just a bunch of nerds who never walk away from comp! God this is stupid! PVP+PVE shouldnt be linked with UW+FOW! Why can't America have favor for more than 2 hours?!

*Sarcasm....if you have heard these shouts, rants and/or questions... then we r just beating a dead horse.

NickelPlate

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2006

N/E

14 Apr 2007 at 15:43 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by MirkoTeran

Poor dead horse.

....can we get a lock on this?

/signed

Particularly now that it has degenerated into an mud slinging contest.

Vandal2k6

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

Manchester, UK

The Manchester Marauders

W/Rt

14 Apr 2007 at 16:43 - 34

I do know this for a fact.

A GW player that won the chance to meet some Anet devs was told that they're looking into ways of changing the favour system. No mention on how yet but I'd expect something on this popping up in the future. I heard this on an episode of GuildCast btw, can't remember the episode I'm afraid. The people that went to Anet provided GC with the info they got and he passed it on.

Swift Thief

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2007

Aatxe Pirates [YaRR]

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14 Apr 2007 at 16:56 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Illuminator

This made me laugh, people from the USA got so good geography knowledge.
Europe is a CONTINENT, and surprise we got lifes!!! zomg ohnoz!!!
And there is about 30+ countries in Europe and 27 of the is a member of EU.

Got to love american ignorance, so funny when they think that Iraq lies in Australia..

I did say continent. o_O

I never said anything about Iraq or Austrailia. I want Asia to be one territory and they can actually get favor. Also, I want favor to do something other than access. Adding more bonuses to shrines would be better.

Xiooua

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2007

Rt/

14 Apr 2007 at 17:16 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swift Thief

I did say continent. o_O

No, you just edited your original post after everyone pointed out your ignorance.

Anyway, I'm sort of neutral on the whole thing. Yeah, Europe has favor all the time, but that's because they're doing better, so the European players are rewarded for it. It'd be nice for America to have favor more often, but I really don't see much of a problem with the current system. Though I do agree PvP should never control PvE, but hey, what can ya do.

Just wait a little while, once the GW2 hype starts to get bigger, no one's going to care anymore.

Smile Like Umean It

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

E/Rt

14 Apr 2007 at 19:27 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiooua

Yeah, Europe has favor all the time, but that's because they're doing better, so the European players are rewarded for it.

That's not necessarily true. Someone posted a list of PVP players (not individuals, but something like the guilds) and 60-70% of it was composed of Europe*. Even if all American teams were very good the sheer force of numbers would still probably win.

*The list was a while ago, so I don't remember everything that was on it.

Xiooua

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2007

Rt/

14 Apr 2007 at 20:21 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smile Like Umean It

That's not necessarily true. Someone posted a list of PVP players (not individuals, but something like the guilds) and 60-70% of it was composed of Europe*. Even if all American teams were very good the sheer force of numbers would still probably win.

*The list was a while ago, so I don't remember everything that was on it.

Well, that's true too. Obviously numbers are a big part of it, and I'm sure that's part of the problem. I'm not saying the current system shouldn't be changed, but it is what it is. I can't blame ANET for the fact that more European gamers are PvP'ing instead of Americans. But it would be nice if a system were introduced where all territories had an equal chance to unlock certain areas, regardless of the size of the player base belonging to that territory.

Thomas.knbk

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

14 Apr 2007 at 21:28 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

America has it's fair share of favour. And, besides, the game doesn't revolve around UW/FoW.

Someone has to say it; QQ MOAR PLZ. Kthxbai

PS: This system has been working for ages, get over it.

The system is stupid. It makes PvP players influence the gaming experience of PvE players. You can't just go 'win hoh'.
It's never been working. Remember when america had favor for like 4 months?
I'm not saying this because I'm an american who's pissed off because he can't get into UW. I live in Europe and I never do UW/FoW. The system is just stupid.

Quote:

Originally Posted by netniwk

I lol'ed,dont we have like 25 country's atm?

In the EU yes. Europe actually has like 50 countries.

Hugh Snyder

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

The Vault

Urban Knights

Me/

14 Apr 2007 at 22:20 - 40

We created our guild on Friday for this sole reason :P

Our guild is on the Korean server now and we held halls for four rounds on friday, but were kicked out after losing the fifth. So close, we had koreans whispering us telling us "good try" too, lol