Zinger’s Ultimate Hero Builds: The Effect of Synergy

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i found the SF build to be quite effective even in hard mode, in Hard mode the MM build, on the other hand, is just about useless as each mob takes so long to kill, you never raise an army successfully and with two heroes trying for the same corpse its just a waste of time

anyone had luck with the duo MM in hardmode? any tips?

I like the MM builds
I used to use only one, but now I've seen this, gg =D

I personally run the paragon myself en added as hero some kind of interupt (mostly jin, sometimes norgu)

I tried the builds posted and were fine, but i have been having great sucess with a slightly different build with one MM, 2 Ranger heroes and myself like ranger too.

Basically i have 3 splinter bp barrage rangers (2 interruptions in each one for a total of six), a quick MM with flesh golem, and 4 white tigers, yes the MM has his pet too, just por bodies purpose.

I did with great sucess Hell's Precipice and Ring of Fire mission and bonus in HM very easy with this team, and 2 henchies healer.

Who needs tanks when you have 4 pets that are tanking, Why you need bodies if you have your pets for bodies reserves.
Why you need Aura of the lich if your vampiric horrors will be healing your MM.

I did Dasha Vestible with this build too and there are no bodies there.

Regards

Dual MM in hardmode is okay, if you can muster enough killing power to get the army started. So easiest to find some weak mobs to kill first before you run into bosses or chokepoints. I've been running minions/horrors and shambling/jagged rather than fiends though. At 25 en each, they are pretty expensive when nearly every hardmode enemy wipes them in seconds. Using the cheaper animates lets me keep replacing them with little trouble. As long as enemies leave corpses. So avoid non fleshy mobs if you can. Quite a few areas in kryta can be low in corpses, and the stony enemies in NF are a pain too. Their sandstorm (and any ele bosses) pwn animates, and you can't even get any corpses when you kill them.

Heroes pretty much spam nova all over, so you can also get good damage with melee animates. Course, my necro runs sup death/curses (depending on build) and sup soul reaping so my health is pretty low. Like about 330 and 60 armour. So minions that throw themselves in front of me are always good. Never underestimate the value of a meatwall

The pet suggestion is good too, I run my ranger with 3 B/P and olias as a N/R MM. Always good

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Hey Great Post Zinger!, right now i am a R/E conjure fire ranger. I have Dunkoro with WoH, Zhed with SF, and Goren with Obsidian tank build. Im stumped! When i go out to i find mobs in the end game kill me fast. Im not sure if my combo isn't working or something. Do you think think if i got 2 sf heroes, 1 monk,and me that would work? I don't see how you guys are living without a monk hero. Any suggestions? Maybe i can try the 2 sf+ ToF general morghan but who will heal me?

How does it work in HM?
Can you still get those titles in HM for the missions?

Hi Zingeri,

Very similar to my setup but I include Mark of Pain as well. It works very well against Afflicted in Factions since they tend to clump together. During Kuunavang mission, I see -42 flying all over my screen and the mobs come and go so quickly before we knew it, the mission was over and we had master much to everyone's surprise (we only had 3 humans both teams combined and none of us bring interrupts).

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The other thing I have yet to try is:

1 MM
1 Curse necro (with Barbs/SS/MoP etc. probably the player since you need good judgement for this role)
1 OOP/OOV/BR blood necro (my MoW does this quite well)

I wonder how well they would perform. This way, you dont have 2 MMs for corpse competition in certain areas where corpses are rare.

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Do you not use a monk when you're in 4 man party size areas? I play a Warrior, so that's not really an option for me. What would you advise running in HM when you have to do that? Monk, me, and 2 Ele's? Because I don't think any area which restricts you to 4 people really has enough corpses for 2 MMs.

I do like the MM build if you run 2 of them. When running one, I agree that replacing AotL with OoU is critical, possibly Animate Bone Horror with Vampiric Horror. Signet of Inscriptions + SoLS might make up for the health loss though.

Since you mentioned the AI inhuman reflexes, have you tried a Psychic Distraction build on the Ele's? They can shut down stuff like crazy, especially if you bring 2 of them.

And one final note. Wouldn't it be better to tailor Morgahn's build depending on whether you're bringing 2 MMs, 2 SFers, or 1 of each? They're on Fire is only really useful with the SFers, as Anthem of Flame only works on Morgahn and maybe some henchies, but at melee range. Fall Back! is great for getting MM minions to the front lines, and fully healed to boot. Bringing Watch Yourself! would help with the energy with GftE! as he's already a secondary Warrior.

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I've torn up most of regular mode with a primary nuker, heroes and henchies, in the following general configuration:

Human: Searing Flames. Serpent's Quickness when not skillcapping. Meteor Shower when there's room, often thrown at the beginning of a fight to either start the spike of a caster or to slow down the first melee onslaught.

Zhed, Sousuke: Very much like the above. Indeed, most commonly exactly like the above. Signet of Humility and various Inspiration stances also have their moments.

MM: Variable build.

Khim, Mhenlo, Sogolon -- yes, three healing henchies.
Devona, Gehraz, or Herta

Variants:

Take the battery necro henchie in Factions or Prophecies to strengthen the two healers I can take.

Morgahn with They're on Fire and otherwise an offensive build when there won't be any corpses for an MM.

Etc.

Obviously, there were speciality builds for various places. I did Abbadon's Gate on the first try in under 13 minutes taking damage-over-time elemental elites plus a superboss-killing Norgu (Best Skill In The Game vs. Glint, Abbadon, et al. = Wastrel's Worry, because of the 1/2X hex duration and the relatively small number of long-casting skills they activate). For Shiro I took Wiki's recommendation of an Echo chain on Celestial Storm, otherwise kept Blinding Flash on him, and got my first HM Masters result.

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But it turns out my standard builds are too squishy for Hard Mode -- I've only vanquished one zone with them harder than Scoundrel's Rise. I haven't yet tested whether a few wards will be enough to save them, or whether more radical surgery will be needed. (On the other hand, my Slivernewal farming build can SOLO vanquish the Plains of Jarin in Hard Mode, if I'm having a good day vs. the Imps. But I have trouble thinking of other zones where I could have a similar success ...)

hows the engergy management of the eles?

The dual MMs seems like a cool idea, but in hard mode minions die so quickly. I can't see it working that well in HM.

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Thanks for the great info. I have just "finished" Nightfall as a Paragon (spot the newbie) and want to get a good team to tackle Factions (hard to find a playmate there). With me acting Paragon, what would you do for the 3rd hero to run with the dual MMs or SFers? Cheers.

Also, what can I use instead of Aura Of The Lich? -don't have Prophecies.

Good job, as always Zinger. I never really got into the ToF tank, but props for designing it.

Ok, so... Minions, for the most part, don't really work in HM, it's just not a suitable place to run them. SS and SV are much better options, according to 2 guildies who both have Legendary Guardian and I'd be inclined to agree - no matter how fast you raise them, ~40al squishies are 1 hit KO material in HM.

ArKaiN: As for hench to fill out the group, yes, hench monks don't have decent utility, but any caster in your team can be tweaked to cover for that. Just let the hench stick to what they do best and don't blame them when you haven't allocated skills to cover their blind spots. Thats what synergy is.

An AI team of 8 works like this; Total of [64] skills:

Block 1: Unchangeable skills, (Henchmen) [32]

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Block 2: Changeable AI Skills, (Heroes) [24]
Skills here should address any issues with skills lacking in block 1, while contributing towards their own role as the frontline or backline of a team, depending on what is placed here. Eg, an offensive 2xSF+1xMM attack team carying /Mo secondaries in order to have access to monk utilities such as hex/condition removal, if both monks are henchmen.

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Block 3: Player Skills, (Player) [8]
Take skills that require a bit of guile to use here, because heroes and hench fail at that sort of stuff. Interrupts may not be as reliable in the hands of an average player, but they are far more potent and practical.

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