So, from what I can gather about GW2 it will abandon the Story-Missions design and change over to a WoW style persistant world with quests, but no overall story. Here are some paraphrased quotes from the PC Gamer article.
"As opposed to the linear story of Nightfall , GW2 will have a setting that isn't so much a story as it is a premise, where different storys will unfold and emerge."
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"With GW2 rather than an epic story, there will be bubbles of stories. Expect a premise that transcends any one overreaching (Save the world) epic quest."
So this sounds to me like they are going to (big suprise) abandon the story and mission based gameplay that GW has always had and copy WoW. Persistant world with quests but no real story. Great now all the people who can't afford a monthly fee can play a cheap WoW knockoff! Can't wait.
You know, I have read through the article several times now, and every single change they are making (Or contemplating) will make the game more like WoW. If you read the article it's pretty clear that the designers were just plain bored with making new campaigns, and wanted to work on a totally new game. Unfortunatly they seem to be making a game that's already available! It's called WoW!
No epic story in GW2? Way to copy WoW again!
SwordOfAVirgin
Ork Pride
It is 2 years away, stop making new threads about GUILD WARS 2 when we have hardly any information on it.
reetkever
Please don't compare excisting things with things from years in the future that we know little-to-nothing about.
Perhaps GW2 won't be made like that, but it will be made like a pokemon-like rpg, where you can hold 8 characters and train them to learn skills... -.-
Perhaps GW2 won't be made like that, but it will be made like a pokemon-like rpg, where you can hold 8 characters and train them to learn skills... -.-
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It is 2 years away, stop making new threads about GUILD WARS 2 when we have hardly any information on it.
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Komes I
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Perhaps GW2 won't be made like that, but it will be made like a pokemon-like rpg, where you can hold 8 characters and train them to learn skills... -.-
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And seriously how can u write about a game that will be finished in few years?
Vandal2k6
Why is it such a bad thing though? I mean, WoW must have something going for it because it's so popular (8 million people at last count). I personally don't like WoW but if Anet can take the good things from it and do a better job then it's win-win for us.
The idea of being in a quest and passing somone that is on another sounds great to me. Still, as mentioned we don't know for sure how GW2 will work, so there's little point in guessing atm.
The idea of being in a quest and passing somone that is on another sounds great to me. Still, as mentioned we don't know for sure how GW2 will work, so there's little point in guessing atm.
Tazaki
How can you make assumptions when the game is still on the drawing board for Anet let alone just announced. The details in the magazine articles isnt even 100% garenteed. Assumptions of story line and such really shouldnt be made until you are actually playing the game as you have no clue what is and isnt in it. Heck I bet most of Anet doesnt even know what all is and isnt in it yet.
I dont understand how so many whiners can complain about something that is no where near made. Heck it was just announced.
I dont understand how so many whiners can complain about something that is no where near made. Heck it was just announced.
FeuerFrei
wow...another "GW2 is a WoW clone" response to GW2...
mazik
Oh my lord. The OP just doesn't have a life does he? This is the second topic he has created where he is crying about how HE doesn't want to happen(and according to his last topiuc, what he thinks is what we all should think). Dude, WoW was NOT the first to do ANY of the things you've mentioned, nor will they be the last. They are getting rid of the mission based gameplay because it is unsustainable and will get dry after another 2 chapters or so(if it's not already). If you have a problem with a game that is 2 years away and we know almost nothing about I can only recomed 3 things: 1) Get a life 2) Wait until we get more infortmation before you continue making entire assumptions on what? 2 quotes, speculation and your hatred for WoW. 3) Don't buy it! If you don't wan to play it then don't! Stick to GW1. I don't like WoW either and if it sounded to me like they wee making it into a WoW clone I'd probably not be so mortally annoyed by your complaints, but seriously dude, A-Net knows what their doing, knows the reason msot of us are playing GW is because we don't want to play WoW and the game is 21 years away. Chill out and just enjoy GW1 until we get more news.
Onarik Amrak
/yawn
Let the baby have his bottle.
Let the baby have his bottle.
SwordOfAVirgin
First of all I'm not making assumptions or guessing anything. I'm reading the damn article where the developers are telling us what they plan to do with Guild Wars 2. No epic story, 100+ levels, races, persistant world, only one henchman etc... all these thing are ephasized in the article as the new direction GW is taking. How am I guessing or making assumptions?
Secondly, when do you think I should start complaining? After the game is made? At that point what good is complaining going to do? The game will be done, it's not like they will redesign it from scratch in a patch.
Thirdly, maybe if every single change they were making in GW2 didn't make it less like GW1 and More like WoW, there wouldn't be so many people making that connection.
Secondly, when do you think I should start complaining? After the game is made? At that point what good is complaining going to do? The game will be done, it's not like they will redesign it from scratch in a patch.
Thirdly, maybe if every single change they were making in GW2 didn't make it less like GW1 and More like WoW, there wouldn't be so many people making that connection.
Swift Thief
You have NO IDEA what you are talking about. Even with the little information we have about GW2, it has nothing that is taken from WoW. Races? WoW did not invent races. High lvl cap? So what, ANet announced 100 times that if they make the lvl cap higher, than they will make it faster to get xp.
Milennin
Maybe there will be epic quests with cool story and challenging bosses, but you just don't have to take them if you don't want to.
Maybe reaching level 100 won't take 5 months but something like 5 weeks, it just depends on how much exp you'll need to gain a level and how much exp you'll get for monsters.
What's bad about races, just adds more variety in the world, and maybe different storylines per race.
Maybe reaching level 100 won't take 5 months but something like 5 weeks, it just depends on how much exp you'll need to gain a level and how much exp you'll get for monsters.
What's bad about races, just adds more variety in the world, and maybe different storylines per race.
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what is your beef on that?
SwordOfAVirgin
"In Guild Wars 2 we wanted to have the best of both worlds. We are retaining the strengths of instanced areas, but we are also integrating a persistenced world. We are not making a World of Warcraft clone here, we are not trying to do what other MMOs have done."
I don't see how this isn't exactly the same as WoW. Persistant world with instanced areas? Thats WoW.
I don't see how this isn't exactly the same as WoW. Persistant world with instanced areas? Thats WoW.
Loviatar
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it has wheels and a seat so it is a car.
make/model/features dont make a difference ..........it is a wow ....i mean car
Onarik Amrak
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thank you for making your position clear.
it has wheels and a seat so it is a car. make/model/features dont make a difference ..........it is a wow ....i mean car |
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You may as well just say "It's another game" and be done with it. Because all games end up the same right? A waste of time.
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Darcy
ANet hired Jeff Grubb to write the story for Nightfall. As he is still listed on ArenaNet's Our Team page and was present at some of the meetings when Billiard visited them in January, I would say he is still working for them.
With his persistant world (using quests/events to drive world story) experience, I don't think you have to worry about the end results or GW2 resembling any other on-line game.
Here's a link to his bio on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Grubb
You should stop worrying.
1. Stress is bad for your health.
2. ArenaNet does nothing like anyone else.
With his persistant world (using quests/events to drive world story) experience, I don't think you have to worry about the end results or GW2 resembling any other on-line game.
Here's a link to his bio on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Grubb
You should stop worrying.
1. Stress is bad for your health.
2. ArenaNet does nothing like anyone else.
ElinoraNeSangre
Or maybe! Just maybe! There might be...
Multiple epic stories! :: gasp :: OH NOES.
To be fair: yes, some of this stuff *does* add some aspects that are also present in WoW. There's no two ways to cut that. And it also has aspects of any other number of "MMORPGs". These games by their nature have a lot in common.
A lot of it is also stuff fans have asked for. I had a guy here at my house last night who wasn't impressed with Nightfall because it was too linear. He read the May PC Gamer while here and was pretty excited at the concept of GW2.
I'm probably going to reserve judgement. I love having an epic story with a solid conclusion, but I'll see how this goes because I really don't know. And in the end, it's just a game. I'm sticking my cynical side in a box and putting it on hold. It may work, it may not work. If it works, great. If it doesn't, well, it's not like GW is the only thing I have in my life.
Edited to add: Jeff Grubb is THE MAN!
(he was very cool in person and really happy to chat with fans) They really do have a fabulous team, a lot of people with some real gaming history.
Multiple epic stories! :: gasp :: OH NOES.
To be fair: yes, some of this stuff *does* add some aspects that are also present in WoW. There's no two ways to cut that. And it also has aspects of any other number of "MMORPGs". These games by their nature have a lot in common.
A lot of it is also stuff fans have asked for. I had a guy here at my house last night who wasn't impressed with Nightfall because it was too linear. He read the May PC Gamer while here and was pretty excited at the concept of GW2.
I'm probably going to reserve judgement. I love having an epic story with a solid conclusion, but I'll see how this goes because I really don't know. And in the end, it's just a game. I'm sticking my cynical side in a box and putting it on hold. It may work, it may not work. If it works, great. If it doesn't, well, it's not like GW is the only thing I have in my life.
Edited to add: Jeff Grubb is THE MAN!
(he was very cool in person and really happy to chat with fans) They really do have a fabulous team, a lot of people with some real gaming history.
sabutai
if it is EXACTLY like WoW except the gear grind i would be very very happy
i loved WoW, played it 2 years...but the need to constantly be on farming for gear to compete in pvp was the most god awful thing i have experienced in a mmrpg...if i ever had to see molten core, bwl, arathi basin etc again i would stab out my eyes
dark age of camelot was the best...get to 50 and buy some 99% gear from a crafter, get it spellcrafted and your good to go (played that 5 years)
having no subscriber fee is a boon, the company has less interst in keeping you on constantly trying to get better gear, instead they release a new "expansion" every 6 or so months to add new content to buy
i dont understand not liking woW for anything other than the grind, i have no interest in pve much so a lack of a "story" doesnt bother me...but thats just me
but as others have said, its too early to say anything on a game two years away...other than saying its coming out in 2 years and is named guild wars 2
this company appears to have broken the mold in a way, this is quite the odd game if you try to lump it together with other mmrpg's, yet it has had great success...i dont see it going backwards in terms of its future product
i loved WoW, played it 2 years...but the need to constantly be on farming for gear to compete in pvp was the most god awful thing i have experienced in a mmrpg...if i ever had to see molten core, bwl, arathi basin etc again i would stab out my eyes
dark age of camelot was the best...get to 50 and buy some 99% gear from a crafter, get it spellcrafted and your good to go (played that 5 years)
having no subscriber fee is a boon, the company has less interst in keeping you on constantly trying to get better gear, instead they release a new "expansion" every 6 or so months to add new content to buy
i dont understand not liking woW for anything other than the grind, i have no interest in pve much so a lack of a "story" doesnt bother me...but thats just me
but as others have said, its too early to say anything on a game two years away...other than saying its coming out in 2 years and is named guild wars 2
this company appears to have broken the mold in a way, this is quite the odd game if you try to lump it together with other mmrpg's, yet it has had great success...i dont see it going backwards in terms of its future product
Thomas.knbk
It's bloody 2 years away! Why does everyone act like they know anything about what's coming?
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Before your next thread, stop, and think.
Predatorus Viktus
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So, from what I can gather about GW2 it will abandon the Story-Missions design and change over to a WoW style persistant world with quests, but no overall story. Here are some paraphrased quotes from the PC Gamer article.
"As opposed to the linear story of Nightfall , GW2 will have a setting that isn't so much a story as it is a premise, where different storys will unfold and emerge." and this one... "With GW2 rather than an epic story, there will be bubbles of stories. Expect a premise that transcends any one overreaching (Save the world) epic quest." So this sounds to me like they are going to (big suprise) abandon the story and mission based gameplay that GW has always had and copy WoW. Persistant world with quests but no real story. Great now all the people who can't afford a monthly fee can play a cheap WoW knockoff! Can't wait. You know, I have read through the article several times now, and every single change they are making (Or contemplating) will make the game more like WoW. If you read the article it's pretty clear that the designers were just plain bored with making new campaigns, and wanted to work on a totally new game. Unfortunatly they seem to be making a game that's already available! It's called WoW! |
What I don't get is how certain people piss and moan that it is like WoW. Really? And WoW is just like EQ, so what is your point?
I feel bad for game companies. Why? Because people like you don't even give them a chance when they want to go in a direction they haven't gone before. Instead of waiting for the new product to come out and giving it a fair shake, you blast and flame it. Flaming the game before you even play it is counter-productive, ridiculous, and on top of everything else - USELESS.
I have yet to see a company change its direction on an unreleased product yet because of the rants of a few people who don't like what they are reading in a magazine, and who are usually reading TOO FAR into it.
Wait until it comes out, and give it a chance. What do you have to lose? There is no subscription fee, they always offer trial versions of their games, and they will have BETA.
Predatorus Viktus
"The Father," First Order of Blood Knights
"There is an ancient Repticus saying, that something lasts only as long as the last person remembers it. My people have come to trust memory over history. Memory, like fire, is radiant and immutable. Those who renounce the flame of memory in order to put out the dangerous fire of truth: Beware these men, for they are dangerous themselves... and unwise. There are false histories written on the blood of those who might remember, and on those who seek the truth."
SwordOfAVirgin
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What I don't get is how certain people piss and moan that it is like WoW. Really? And WoW is just like EQ, so what is your point?
I feel bad for game companies. Why? Because people like you don't even give them a chance when they want to go in a direction they haven't gone before. Instead of waiting for the new product to come out and giving it a fair shake, you blast and flame it. Flaming the game before you even play it is counter-productive, ridiculous, and on top of everything else - USELESS. |
Why should I give them a chance to go in a new direction? It sounds like the direction they are going is to make it like every other MMORPG on the market.
Guild wars is the only MMORPG I know of that has an actual campaign story. EQ, WoW, Uo, Ao, CoH etc... are all persistant worlds without a campaign. Why for the love of god does GW2 have to abandon its roots to be like everyone else!!??
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You're absoulutly right! WoW is exactly like EQ, so much so it's practically an EQ mod. Hell, all they really did was mod in new artwork and locations, and change the classes races and loot tables. Now factor in the fact that every other MMORPG out there is also pretty much the same thing thing as EQ and I wonder why we need another game just like it!
Why should I give them a chance to go in a new direction? It sounds like the direction they are going is to make it like every other MMORPG on the market. Guild wars is the only MMORPG I know of that has an actual campaign story. EQ, WoW, Uo, Ao, CoH etc... are all persistant worlds without a campaign. Why for the love of god does GW2 have to abandon its roots to be like everyone else!!?? |
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You're absoulutly right! WoW is exactly like EQ, so much so it's practically an EQ mod. Hell, all they really did was mod in new artwork and locations, and change the classes races and loot tables. Now factor in the fact that every other MMORPG out there is also pretty much the same thing thing as EQ and I wonder why we need another game just like it!
Why should I give them a chance to go in a new direction? It sounds like the direction they are going is to make it like every other MMORPG on the market. Guild wars is the only MMORPG I know of that has an actual campaign story. EQ, WoW, Uo, Ao, CoH etc... are all persistant worlds without a campaign. Why for the love of god does GW2 have to abandon its roots to be like everyone else!!?? |
Liberations
I don't mean to flame you, so I will go easy, while stating my points, SwordOfAVirgin.
Please, what you are saying right there is you don't even trust ArenaNet for innovation. You're saying you'd rather stay with Guild Wars as it is and be bored to death rather than experience something that could define an MMO. ArenaNet and Guild Wars WILL NEVER be the same as WoW. If you really read the article through with more open-mindedness and less cyniscim, you would see that ArenaNet is trying VERY hard to break the mold and prove that you don't need to be another WoW to be a successful MMO. You're wasting your time judgeing something that has barely been announced, and you probably feel miserable about your thoughts, so upset because you think Guild Wars is becoming a "WOW 2.0", which was even MENTIONED in the article as a definite no-no! I'm solemnly trying to help you here out of sympathy! Your statements lack basis, and worst of all, your destroying your Guild Wars mentality and annoying people. For the love of yourself and for the respect of other, lighten up. Guild Wars won't die so easily
PS- Sorry if I was a bit harsh, I'm just tryin to help is all.
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PS- Sorry if I was a bit harsh, I'm just tryin to help is all.
Liberations
One last thing, from the info, Guild Wars 2 will have an even more epic story! Their tying everything together at the end, and i doubt it'll be as insubstansial as WoW.
Das Hip
Heh, exactly... Thank you Smokey... This guys last 4 posts weren't even worth replying to.. , and ALL of his posts have been to bitch about something?
Come on dude...
Oh, and to the rest of you... I enjoyed you commentary but please, PLEASE learn to spell for godsakes, or use a damn web spell-checker.
Come on dude...
Oh, and to the rest of you... I enjoyed you commentary but please, PLEASE learn to spell for godsakes, or use a damn web spell-checker.
sabutai
WoW is nothing like everquest except that it has warriors, mages etc and quests and gear to get
if thats the criteria for something being exactly like everquest then this game is a copy of everquest
and god of war is a copy of mario bros if one was to go a step further
if people are posting this kind of negative speculation about gw2 now, i can only imagine the drama as the months go by
sit tight, if you play beta and dont like it i'm sure by the time its released there will be several other options for you to spend your cash on for a similar experience
if thats the criteria for something being exactly like everquest then this game is a copy of everquest
and god of war is a copy of mario bros if one was to go a step further
if people are posting this kind of negative speculation about gw2 now, i can only imagine the drama as the months go by
sit tight, if you play beta and dont like it i'm sure by the time its released there will be several other options for you to spend your cash on for a similar experience
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b) Make sure what you're complaining about isn't what the developers stated as reasons for the change. (In other words, many of the things you listed as complaints are things that Gaile (or developers, etc) have said are specific changes THEY want in the game, either because they presented problems (multiple epic-story chapters... "world-ending disaster" of the week scenario), or were things they just didn't prefer.)
It's going to be a different game, yet at the same time it's going to include many of the things that made other games successful. It would be foolish to look out at the market, see what's popular, and NOT want to include some version of that in planning. That does NOT mean something will be a clone, but that they have similar elements. Every story told by man has a foundation or similarities within other stories, that does not mean they are copies of each other.
Liberations
Everybody just chill... GW 2 is going to be great and you got nothing to worry about. Wait until the game has a lot more info out about it and then judge. I mean c'mon. Alpha testing, let alone Beta testing has barely been announced! Just wait and see. Watch your fears be wiped away.
Nothing, but complaining at this early stage is too early. Start when the new features have been thoroughly explained and when we understand the insight of the developers.
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Lol, I agree 100%. The game is so far off, I can say confidently that Anet is going to make it a LOT different that WoW. Their goal when they started was to be different and still fun, they intend to keep it this way.
As long as they tell us ahead of time any major changes, we can just complain (that Guild Wars players do oh so well) and our suggestive comments will be taken. Don't worry about it man, the game isn't going to change for the worse.
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So, from what I can gather about GW2 it will abandon the Story-Missions design and change over to a WoW style persistant world with quests, but no overall story. Here are some paraphrased quotes from the PC Gamer article.
"As opposed to the linear story of Nightfall , GW2 will have a setting that isn't so much a story as it is a premise, where different storys will unfold and emerge." and this one... "With GW2 rather than an epic story, there will be bubbles of stories. Expect a premise that transcends any one overreaching (Save the world) epic quest." So this sounds to me like they are going to (big suprise) abandon the story and mission based gameplay that GW has always had and copy WoW. Persistant world with quests but no real story. Great now all the people who can't afford a monthly fee can play a cheap WoW knockoff! Can't wait. You know, I have read through the article several times now, and every single change they are making (Or contemplating) will make the game more like WoW. If you read the article it's pretty clear that the designers were just plain bored with making new campaigns, and wanted to work on a totally new game. Unfortunatly they seem to be making a game that's already available! It's called WoW! |
Without a question this is just another QQ GW2=Wow
doesn't belong in Q&A and this entire stupid thing should be closed!With that aside I will presume a question and give you the answer, DON'T BUY IT I know I for one will miss having you there greatly. or not.
Kuldebar Valiturus
Missions don't equate to story. Stories can be told in various ways: quests, in-game lore, events, cut-scenes. Often Missions actually get in the way of exciting story-telling because they are very rigid, repetitive and required.
Adding flexibility is a great thing, no story teller likes being painted into a corner, which is often what missions and the complete lack of a non-persistent world can inflict.
Adding flexibility is a great thing, no story teller likes being painted into a corner, which is often what missions and the complete lack of a non-persistent world can inflict.
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I don't see how this isn't exactly the same as City of Heroes. Persistant world with instanced areas? Thats City of Heroes.
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I don't see how this isn't exactly the same as Lineage. Persistant world with instanced areas? Thats Lineage.
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I don't see how this isn't exactly the same as Matrix Online. Persistant world with instanced areas? Thats Matrix Online.
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I don't see how this isn't exactly the same as Runescape. Persistant world with instanced areas? Thats Runescape.
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I don't see how this isn't exactly the same as Ultima Online. Persistant world with instanced areas? Thats Ultima Online.
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Gli
I bet they'll have little graphical representations of characters running around in 3d rendered landscapes too. Shameless!
unienaule
Don't make threads bashing a game which is a year away from BETA.