Faction--a large imbalance...

As I'm sure everyone has noticed, the faction difference between the Kurzicks and Luxons is extremley large. House Zu Heltzer has an average of 50-55 million faction to own, while Cavalon is around 20-25 million. Most people believe that there are many more Kurzicks than there are Luxons, but this is a very big exageration. Yes, there are a bit more Kurzicks than Luxons, but not 30 million faction worth. I did a test and guild-hopped around various Kurzick and Luxon guilds. I went into alliance battle games on both sides. The amount of districts for both Kurzick and Luxon sides of AB is usually around 2 and i encountered long wait times on both sides. What i got out of this is that the Kurzicks lose many more games of AB than the Luxons do. Why is this? This is because Luxons do not have FF (faction farming). Since Luxons do not have FF, they must rely on alliance battles as their main source of faction. And because of that fact, a majority of the teams on the Luxon side are either full guild groups or alliance groups farming their faction, unlike the Kurzicks who almost always have completley random groups made up of random invites (myself included). So what we have is the very unorganized Kurzicks up against more organized Luxon teams made up of more coordinated guild/alliance groups. What is the solution to this? Either add in a way for the Luxons to FF as fast as the Kurzicks can to get faction, or dull down the way Kurzicks are able to get around 400 faction per minute (through fff). This will result in more balanced faction accumulation over time for both sides.

Before you comment on this PLEASE KEEP IN MIND---I personnaly am a dedicated Kurzick player and i have been in both alliances that own House Zu Heltzer and Cavalon. BOTH alliances are very dedicated to farming faction for their alliance! Also, do not take what i am saying down to an individual scale. I wrote this thinking of the entire faction system and all the people involved as a whole. You must also realize that i am not suggesting that my ideas for rebalancing will fix the imbalance of faction right away, but it would take a few months to even out.

Final note--You hear all the time how everything in this game is made to be balanced so one thing doesnt overpower another and become exploitive. The game is constantly changed and rebalanced, but this still remains the same.

Anet ruined the most fun faction run months ago for Luxons (Supply run imo). Factions has sucked since then, if not since release.

I don't know about Luxons being mostly guild groups in AB, I've been ABing a ton in the past week and I've seen barely any guild groups.

so you are saying that the Kurzicks need more faction to hold their house than the Luxons do but the Kurzick side gets an easier and faster way to earn said faction...

Where is the problem in balance with that?

Ive learned to like both luxon and kurzick areas.
The kurzick armors and then the luxons jade sea.

Kurzicks do have that ff run in (however its spelled)ludgaris conservatory.

Lutgardis
And yeah, ive learned to long accept both factions. kurziks mainly for Armours and Jade sea for the Greens.

I agree with the above poster. If the Kurzicks need more faction to farm to hold HzH and have more FF runs available, that sounds fair enough to me. HzH has almost always required more faction to obtain that Cavalon even before the FF nerf.

Amber>Jade

The luxons have an FFF, no one does it. The exact same quest is available for luxons as well.

I think he tried to say the balance between the number of "organized players" in AB between the two sides is off, because most "organized players" on the Kurzick side is too busy "Faction Farming" to do AB (while Luxons don't have FF so they have to AB).

But, I don't think Anet's EVER tried to balance "Players". Seriously, how can you do that? I don't think the fact that Kurzicks lose more games of AB is because good players aren't playing it, since as you said yourself the number of districts between the two sides is the same.

(Following your logic, where all luxons have to do AB to gain Faction points while only some of Kurzicks do AB, the number of people on Luxon side should be larger, even if they have less population to begin with.)

I've always thought Fort Aspenwood is pretty stacked in luxons favor, or at least when i've played it on either side. Even when kurzicks have no leechers they can struggle, the majority of games i've played the lux's won

The only problem I can see with this is the fact that the Kurzick faction titles are much easier to get than the Luxon faction titles, and that's not that big of a problem...

For the imbalance to happen...

It's easier to get Kurzack faction so more people have it, driving up the "cost' to control of towns aka inflation.
or
There's more Kurack players then luxion fighting for control.

@OP - It may be true for the server your on but control is global and not sure the effect from other servers

While the same type of quest is available (scout an area), the Luxon version takes much longer than the 2 minutes that the Kurzick one takes. Fastest Luxon faction I've found is the Jade Arena which still takes around 3-5 minutes depending on team.

That's just a visible sign.

Another side effect is that it's easier for Kurzicks to get and load up on amber than it is for Luxons to get and load up on jadeite.

I think you got the whole thing wrong:

There are more people who play luxons.

There are faction farms in the luxon areas...

i think to get people more serious about the titles thing you should benefit from where the line is. Like you get more faction when it's on your side; this will mean more people would take it serious and actually bother to AB

The majority of the games I've played I've won! (Kurz) LoL

The most important thing in Asp is team composition.
For example, Kurz bonders are invaluable... and if the Luxons don't have enchant strippers, they're screwed. Also melee professions for the Luxons is a tad stupid because all the npc eles use wards.

People don't think enough, imo, when playing Aspenwood. I was on a Luxon team the other day with 5 assassins. Needless to say, we lost.

I suppose in the Faction Farming sense, the Kurzicks have it easier with Lutgardis runs, which also make getting the title quicker than the Luxon one.

I agree with the author, I think there is a problem and I agree with the suggested solutions.

I think the reason more kurzick faction is required to control towns is simply because it is much quicker to obtain kurzick faction than luxon.
Yes there are similar quests on the luxon side, but they cannot be exploited (yes exploited) to gain faction at such a fast rate, hance it is quicker for luxons to gain faction through AB, whereas for kurzicks it is much quicker and more efficent to exploit the fast faction farming quest.

In my opinion the luxons appear overall to be slightly 'better' at AB, I believe this is because of guild teams but also that the majority of luxon FF must AB and hence there will be more experienced and 'better' players on the luxon side. This results in the position of equilibrium being closer to grenz frontier than in the centre of saltspray.
This is frustrating for all involved IMO.

I also believe that there are more luxons ABing because of these reasons, there are the casual players equal to the number of casual kurzicks, but there are far more serious luxons than kurzicks which also results in large waiting times for luxons, especially on the occasions the map swings to kaanai canyon when very few kurzicks bother.

I dont see a reason to be bothered by faction farming at all.Who cares what it takes to hold useless towns.So damn pointless.