Ok...so my friend convinced me to get guild wars and i got all 3, that was yesterday. So, today ive gotten it installed and im wondering what profession to choose. I came from WoW and i was a beastmastery hunter so im thinkin maybe a beastmaster ranger? are they good dps, if not what is theyre role? I like to pvp if that helps. If you dont think a ranger is for me plz refer me to a different class that is ok-good dps and is ok in pvp.
thx in advance,
Salvatore
Are Rangers good DPS?
Salvatore Costa
Amy Awien
Yes, you can create a Beastmaster ranger and they are among the rangers with the highest DPS. But damage is not what rangers are usually good at, they have different strength, like interruption and solo/duo strikes.
But I'll add a few notes. Guildwars allows you to change your characters build, his skills, almost everywhere. This means you do not need to focus on one specific role - though you may do so if wanted. A Beastmaster in one mission, an interrupte in another.
True beastmasters are not very much used in PvP, the pets have too much a will of their own, and are, in a way, to vulnerable. But you can try, they can provide good pressure and utility.
But I'll add a few notes. Guildwars allows you to change your characters build, his skills, almost everywhere. This means you do not need to focus on one specific role - though you may do so if wanted. A Beastmaster in one mission, an interrupte in another.
True beastmasters are not very much used in PvP, the pets have too much a will of their own, and are, in a way, to vulnerable. But you can try, they can provide good pressure and utility.
Cathode_Reborn
If you want a high DPS and use of beastmastery, a thumper might be perfect for you.
A "bunny thumper" is a hammer-wielding ranger who fights with his pet. They move and hit fast. The pet is there to increase damage and also needed for other things. The problem with this setup is that this type of ranger is best used in a team since it can't heal itself well. Bunny thumpers are used often in pvp.
Rangers are also used for other things in pvp. They usually spread poison to the entire opposing team to pressure them while interrupting their attempts to cast spells with bow attacks.
A "bunny thumper" is a hammer-wielding ranger who fights with his pet. They move and hit fast. The pet is there to increase damage and also needed for other things. The problem with this setup is that this type of ranger is best used in a team since it can't heal itself well. Bunny thumpers are used often in pvp.
Rangers are also used for other things in pvp. They usually spread poison to the entire opposing team to pressure them while interrupting their attempts to cast spells with bow attacks.
Salvatore Costa
ok, well by your replies i think i might try a ranger even though they seem more interupt oriented. ill play support on him while i make another guy for dps...maybe an assasin. And thanks cathode_reborn but i dont think a "thumper" is for me. But...do you guys know a good secondary profession for a ranger? and if you guys are pretty experianced could you give me some tips on ranger (lvling build, secondary etc. etc.)
thx,
Salvatore
thx,
Salvatore
sabutai
i asked this before, seems just about anything works....and if it doesnt then just switch it in any town
so far dps stinks on mine, even full marksmanship....my mesmer was killing faster
so far dps stinks on mine, even full marksmanship....my mesmer was killing faster
moriz
rangers are pretty good at doing anything. except maybe healing your teammates.
much of a ranger's DPS will come from conditions, although it is quite possible to design a ranger with pretty good upfront damage (the "machine gun") ranger, for example.
as for secondary, it doesn't really matter too much. if there's room, you can go /mo for mending touch. excellent for self condition removal.
for leveling, just grab whatever build you want and get a few heros/henchmen and kill stuff. the real builds will only appear after you reach level 20.
much of a ranger's DPS will come from conditions, although it is quite possible to design a ranger with pretty good upfront damage (the "machine gun") ranger, for example.
as for secondary, it doesn't really matter too much. if there's room, you can go /mo for mending touch. excellent for self condition removal.
for leveling, just grab whatever build you want and get a few heros/henchmen and kill stuff. the real builds will only appear after you reach level 20.
eggs0wn
Apply Poison+Burning Arrow anyone?
Amy Awien
Yeah, works nice. Add bleeding and if they happen to be bunched up, epidemic.
A beast master can do very well, Enraged Lunge kicks for ~100 every 5 seconds, add a few skills for bow and fangs and you have >3000 HP/minute, sustainable indefinitely. Not bad, likely better then the Burning Arrow variations.
A monk secondary is never really wasted, even if it's just for the hard rez in pickup groups. In all chapters you'll be able to switch secondaries later on.
A beast master can do very well, Enraged Lunge kicks for ~100 every 5 seconds, add a few skills for bow and fangs and you have >3000 HP/minute, sustainable indefinitely. Not bad, likely better then the Burning Arrow variations.
A monk secondary is never really wasted, even if it's just for the hard rez in pickup groups. In all chapters you'll be able to switch secondaries later on.
crime.mob
rangers have a really crappy dps with the bow only. Though of course it can be increased with preparations and conditions, it is still bad for a physical attack and adds low pressure (with a pet things are different , but then again i would use a spear or hammer on my beastmaster to maximize damage).
Bow attacks are, however, great for interupts and strategic conditions like daze and such. With moves like burning arrow and conjure flame, you could yeild high damage but not as much as a spear or anything closer up. The pro to a bow is that you get to attack far to very far away from your target to get strategic advantages and stuff (you can also attack multiple people easier).
Bow attacks are, however, great for interupts and strategic conditions like daze and such. With moves like burning arrow and conjure flame, you could yeild high damage but not as much as a spear or anything closer up. The pro to a bow is that you get to attack far to very far away from your target to get strategic advantages and stuff (you can also attack multiple people easier).
Teh [prefession]-zorz
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Originally Posted by crime.mob
rangers have a really crappy dps with the bow only. Though of course it can be increased with preparations and conditions, it is still bad for a physical attack and adds low pressure (with a pet things are different , but then again i would use a spear or hammer on my beastmaster to maximize damage).
Bow attacks are, however, great for interupts and strategic conditions like daze and such. With moves like burning arrow and conjure flame, you could yeild high damage but not as much as a spear or anything closer up. The pro to a bow is that you get to attack far to very far away from your target to get strategic advantages and stuff (you can also attack multiple people easier). what good builds are there that dont use preperations besides barrage?
Bow attacks are, however, great for interupts and strategic conditions like daze and such. With moves like burning arrow and conjure flame, you could yeild high damage but not as much as a spear or anything closer up. The pro to a bow is that you get to attack far to very far away from your target to get strategic advantages and stuff (you can also attack multiple people easier). what good builds are there that dont use preperations besides barrage?
Amy Awien
Eh ... is there any good reason why you would not use a preparation (besides barrage)?
drupal
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Originally Posted by crime.mob
rangers have a really crappy dps with the bow only.
Ever heard of Needle Shot?
Sophitia Leafblade
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Originally Posted by crime.mob
rangers have a really crappy dps with the bow only. Though of course it can be increased with preparations and conditions, it is still bad for a physical attack and adds low pressure (with a pet things are different , but then again i would use a spear or hammer on my beastmaster to maximize damage).
I would disagree with that, the right built Rangers can delivery great dps, for example an Echoed Sundering Attack + Penetrating Attack build can do continuous high damage hits even without preparations or weapon spells or enchants on them. The Aforementioned Needling shot builds or quickshot based builds or Conjure x based builds to name but a few. Even numerous Barrage based builds can deal great dps. Yes Rangers are amazing interuptors, trappers etc. but like Warriors (aka the tank) when the're needed to be they can also be amazing pressure or spike dealers.
XvArchonvX
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Originally Posted by Sophitia Leafblade
I would disagree with that, the right built Rangers can delivery great dps, for example an Echoed Sundering Attack + Penetrating Attack build can do continuous high damage hits even without preparations or weapon spells or enchants on them. The Aforementioned Needling shot builds or quickshot based builds or Conjure x based builds to name but a few. Even numerous Barrage based builds can deal great dps. Yes Rangers are amazing interuptors, trappers etc. but like Warriors (aka the tank) when the're needed to be they can also be amazing pressure or spike dealers.
No matter how much you spam Sundering/Penetrating attack, you won't get pressure damage like a dervish or warrior can tbh. Even a Paragon with a spear build can deal more physical damage since they have a more sustainable IAS (Aggressive Refrain or Soldier's Fury) and can also apply Deep Wound. Bow rangers make up for this with their increased ability to apply lasting degen conditions along with some of the best interupt skills in the game. Barrage is the exception for damage dealing, but only applies to certain PvE scenarios.
If you want to discuss spiking, then you have a different discussion altogether. You can have poor dps and still be able to put on a great spike. Rangers CAN deal a very strong spike, but it's generally much easier to counter than other methods of spiking and is therefore no longer really seen in PvP much anymore.
If you want to discuss spiking, then you have a different discussion altogether. You can have poor dps and still be able to put on a great spike. Rangers CAN deal a very strong spike, but it's generally much easier to counter than other methods of spiking and is therefore no longer really seen in PvP much anymore.
Sophitia Leafblade
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Originally Posted by XvArchonvX
No matter how much you spam Sundering/Penetrating attack, you won't get pressure damage like a dervish or warrior can tbh. Even a Paragon with a spear build can deal more physical damage since they have a more sustainable IAS (Aggressive Refrain or Soldier's Fury) and can also apply Deep Wound. Bow rangers make up for this with their increased ability to apply lasting degen conditions along with some of the best interupt skills in the game. Barrage is the exception for damage dealing, but only applies to certain PvE scenarios.
I dont pretend Warriors or Dervishes cant do good pressure damage because they can but i would not definitely say a ranger cant pressure like they can. For example in SF ive yet (keyword is yet cause im sure there probably are ones that can) to see a warrior or other class that can out deal my ranger attacking the Dwarves and Dredge, Even the Ele in the team couldn't deal out as much damage as my ranger.
ArKaiN
Thumpers are as good or better at pressure than any Dervish. I can say that for certain because I have both a dervish and a ranger and I CAN play both well in pvp.
Not sure about a Warrior.
Not sure about a Warrior.
XvArchonvX
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Originally Posted by Sophitia Leafblade
I dont pretend Warriors or Dervishes cant do good pressure damage because they can but i would not definitely say a ranger cant pressure like they can. For example in SF ive yet (keyword is yet cause im sure there probably are ones that can) to see a warrior or other class that can out deal my ranger attacking the Dwarves and Dredge, Even the Ele in the team couldn't deal out as much damage as my ranger.
There are three big reasons that BP rangers are used in SF. The first is that a BP group can make good use of Barrage in SF since there are a lot of big mobs that can be controlled by pet and minion blocking. Also, the inclusion of pets, as said, assists in aggro control along with minion production. Finally, they have a stronger defense than a nuker. Before AI was nerfed, people used to put a warrior up to tank and have an ele nuke the mob. Since aggro can't be controlled as easily, people use rangers.
Arguing that a bow ranger can produce good dps as a Barrage ranger is very area specific. If there are 6 enemies bunched up at every shot, then a Barrage ranger of course has great dps, but this doesn't happen everywhere and is only really a valid tactic in PvE.
@ ArKain:
The debate was about bow rangers. There is no doubt that a Thumper can produce good pressure. If they couldn't, they wouldn't be near as popular in PvP, especially after the RaO nerf.
Arguing that a bow ranger can produce good dps as a Barrage ranger is very area specific. If there are 6 enemies bunched up at every shot, then a Barrage ranger of course has great dps, but this doesn't happen everywhere and is only really a valid tactic in PvE.
@ ArKain:
The debate was about bow rangers. There is no doubt that a Thumper can produce good pressure. If they couldn't, they wouldn't be near as popular in PvP, especially after the RaO nerf.
Fallen Nephilim
imho, Rangers have good spike damage, but not very sustainable DPS unless under specific circumstances (foe under 50% HP, grouped mobs)
Corpselooter
Splinter Barrage, Conjure barrage. If you are going for pet only, i advise you to take a R/P, they also attack at range, with an pet. But Rangers are mostly recognized for 3 aspects: Interruption, conditions and barrage. Not much besides that.
Program Ftw
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Originally Posted by drupal
Ever heard of Needle Shot?
Needleshot is horrible DPS.
Thanks,
Pr0gram~
Thanks,
Pr0gram~
drupal
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Originally Posted by Program Ftw
Needleshot is horrible DPS.
Thanks,
Pr0gram~ I love it <3
Thanks,
Pr0gram~ I love it <3
XvArchonvX
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Originally Posted by Program Ftw
Needleshot is horrible DPS.
Thanks,
Pr0gram~ If you use it strictly by itself the dps isn't great, but when used with a good damage buff (prep, weapon spell, or enchant), the DPS is amazing, especially since the last buff it recieved. The true strength of this skill is that it can let you pump out arrows at an incredibly fast refire rate.
Thanks,
Pr0gram~ If you use it strictly by itself the dps isn't great, but when used with a good damage buff (prep, weapon spell, or enchant), the DPS is amazing, especially since the last buff it recieved. The true strength of this skill is that it can let you pump out arrows at an incredibly fast refire rate.
pingu666
i think with glass arrows, conjure whatever/vamp u can get pretty nasty dps with needling shot.
i used conflagoration and a vamp bow, and i think u can hit 60dps~ with needling.
30+5+19+15 or something like that
duelshot and maurders can hit for over 100 that buffed up.
brutal weapon and forked arrow would be pretty painful too.
screaming shot might be worthwhile too, depends how many slots u got and average time to death
/a for augry of death, if u must have a deep wound
i used conflagoration and a vamp bow, and i think u can hit 60dps~ with needling.
30+5+19+15 or something like that
duelshot and maurders can hit for over 100 that buffed up.
brutal weapon and forked arrow would be pretty painful too.
screaming shot might be worthwhile too, depends how many slots u got and average time to death
/a for augry of death, if u must have a deep wound
pingu666
i think with glass arrows, conjure whatever/vamp u can get pretty nasty dps with needling shot.
i used conflagoration and a vamp bow, and i think u can hit 60dps~ with needling.
30+5+19+15 or something like that
duelshot and maurders can hit for over 100 that buffed up.
brutal weapon and forked arrow would be pretty painful too.
screaming shot might be worthwhile too, depends how many slots u got and average time to death
/a for augry of death, if u must have a deep wound
i used conflagoration and a vamp bow, and i think u can hit 60dps~ with needling.
30+5+19+15 or something like that
duelshot and maurders can hit for over 100 that buffed up.
brutal weapon and forked arrow would be pretty painful too.
screaming shot might be worthwhile too, depends how many slots u got and average time to death
/a for augry of death, if u must have a deep wound
Nilator
That is the beauty of Guildwars, you can change your attributes when ever your in a city. It's basically equivelant to an Inn in WoW. You can change your skills to be a beastmaster one time, interrupter next time, trapper the next, back to interrupter. You can do whatever you wish.
Evilsod
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Originally Posted by pingu666
i think with glass arrows, conjure whatever/vamp u can get pretty nasty dps with needling shot.
i used conflagoration and a vamp bow, and i think u can hit 60dps~ with needling.
30+5+19+15 or something like that
duelshot and maurders can hit for over 100 that buffed up.
brutal weapon and forked arrow would be pretty painful too.
screaming shot might be worthwhile too, depends how many slots u got and average time to death
/a for augry of death, if u must have a deep wound Or... you know.... you could NOT gimp your entire skillbar by making it revolve around Conjures.
Needling Shot + Glass Arrows is fairly decent DPS, works nicely against dazed targets too. Speaking from a strictly PvE standing point obviously... Was proving its worth yesterday in GoP, Needling Shot hitting for 71 + 5 vampiric damage each arrow.
i used conflagoration and a vamp bow, and i think u can hit 60dps~ with needling.
30+5+19+15 or something like that
duelshot and maurders can hit for over 100 that buffed up.
brutal weapon and forked arrow would be pretty painful too.
screaming shot might be worthwhile too, depends how many slots u got and average time to death
/a for augry of death, if u must have a deep wound Or... you know.... you could NOT gimp your entire skillbar by making it revolve around Conjures.
Needling Shot + Glass Arrows is fairly decent DPS, works nicely against dazed targets too. Speaking from a strictly PvE standing point obviously... Was proving its worth yesterday in GoP, Needling Shot hitting for 71 + 5 vampiric damage each arrow.
Marverick
Conjures are kinda bad especially since they do elemental damage; Needling and Glass Arrows are armor-ignoring.
Although Spirit's Strength + Needling Shot does more damage at the cost of poorer energy management and no IAS.
Although Spirit's Strength + Needling Shot does more damage at the cost of poorer energy management and no IAS.
Omar_Sharif
TOUCHER is imho one of the best dps ranger 
pingu666
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Originally Posted by Evilsod
Or... you know.... you could NOT gimp your entire skillbar by making it revolve around Conjures.
Needling Shot + Glass Arrows is fairly decent DPS, works nicely against dazed targets too. Speaking from a strictly PvE standing point obviously... Was proving its worth yesterday in GoP, Needling Shot hitting for 71 + 5 vampiric damage each arrow. mark of rodgort on zhed would make it worthwhile, specialy with conflag and bone fiends? settin stuff ablaze
how did u buff your needling shot damage upto 71?
the bigger issue with my build is the reliance on buffs for damage, prebattle casts are annoyingly long. its what i really disliked about the dervish too..
Needling Shot + Glass Arrows is fairly decent DPS, works nicely against dazed targets too. Speaking from a strictly PvE standing point obviously... Was proving its worth yesterday in GoP, Needling Shot hitting for 71 + 5 vampiric damage each arrow. mark of rodgort on zhed would make it worthwhile, specialy with conflag and bone fiends? settin stuff ablaze
how did u buff your needling shot damage upto 71?
the bigger issue with my build is the reliance on buffs for damage, prebattle casts are annoyingly long. its what i really disliked about the dervish too..
ShadowsRequiem
Melandrus arrows
Tons of Pve and PVP is based on enchantments
go dual shot someone with an enchantment and watch you get +27 +27 on both arrows
its fun. Used to run it a lot in ab and with one dual shot you'll be doing about 100+ dmg on a 60 al caster
Tons of Pve and PVP is based on enchantments
go dual shot someone with an enchantment and watch you get +27 +27 on both arrows
its fun. Used to run it a lot in ab and with one dual shot you'll be doing about 100+ dmg on a 60 al caster
AnonTerror
Rangers don't have very good upfront DPS. If you want that, make a warrior, or a dervish, or an assassin, or a dervish. Where the ranger shines is it's ability to strike from a range, spread conditions (Poison, bleeding, burning, daze, crippled, blind) that are easily to apply and aren't too situational, having the best interupts in the game, and having the best stances (Whirling defence and Natural stride beat the pants off anything else) for surviving. Also throw in a decent self heal in troll unguent, useful spirits, and traps.
Marverick
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TOUCHER is imho one of the best dps ranger
ew.....
65 damage in 1.5 seconds? ~43 DPS..... terrible
A Dervish or Sin can easily top that... heck even a Ranger with a proper build can top that.
ew..... 65 damage in 1.5 seconds? ~43 DPS..... terrible
A Dervish or Sin can easily top that... heck even a Ranger with a proper build can top that.
malko050987
Trappers are the best DPS . With the Echo build, you have 9*26 = 234 per second, for 10 seconds, which makes 2340 damage. Nothing can survive that, especially if you add a crippling trap.
. With the Echo build, you have 9*26 = 234 per second, for 10 seconds, which makes 2340 damage. Nothing can survive that, especially if you add a crippling trap.
Amy Awien
Afaik trap damage is specced against 0 AL, so it's about 1/4 of that.
malko050987
Bladed Aatxes take 26 dmg per second from a Dust...
pingu666
what about the time to set the traps? also fixed location, interuptablilty etc make it a poor choice to use in group. for farming its just like dumping 20+firestorms in the same instant, so it is effect
Amy Awien
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Originally Posted by malko050987
Bladed Aatxes take 26 dmg per second from a Dust...
Yeah, I see, you are right, [wiki]Dust Trap[/wiki] is "the only trap that ignores armor".
stormrunner
I'm going to refute what people have been saying about bow dps. Lets keep in mind that dps means *everything* that causes health loss over time. With that in mind, lets take burning arrow as an example...
Assuming a ranger has at least 14 points in marksmanship (a reasonable assumption), burning arrows deals 5 seconds of burning. Thats 14 damage per second for 5 seconds(70 damage in all). Since burning arrows has a five second recharge time, a ranger can almost constantly keep an enemy on fire. Thats pretty good considering we just ignored the added damage from burning arrows, preparations, and any shots the ranger may have fired within the 5 second period.
I call that pretty good dps
Assuming a ranger has at least 14 points in marksmanship (a reasonable assumption), burning arrows deals 5 seconds of burning. Thats 14 damage per second for 5 seconds(70 damage in all). Since burning arrows has a five second recharge time, a ranger can almost constantly keep an enemy on fire. Thats pretty good considering we just ignored the added damage from burning arrows, preparations, and any shots the ranger may have fired within the 5 second period.
I call that pretty good dps
SnipiousMax
^ Not when an auto-attacking warrior with no skills/IAS/Buffs/or mods can pump out over 30 dps.
ClarkeDodd
Rangers arent too good without buffs/ skills , but they are very strong when considering preparations and speed increased etc.
So Rangers can have great DPS if used correctly
So Rangers can have great DPS if used correctly