Target obstructed? why Anet didnt cut that?

xromania???

xromania???

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

Transylvania

lor

E/Mo

How is posible after years and updates to have this "bug" with target obstructed? The warrior must go himself without player help to a location where the shoot isnt obstructed. Im wonder if heroes, henchies or foes have too this problem. I cant take care every minute if i play 3 hours to avoid wals or other things.
Also how is posible to have until now a so little storage? and still is litlle and the inventory too. Why Anet dont have a section for sugestions and the answers when u try to contact them are superficial? Also they havent a forum?

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

Target Obstructed was created for an effect of realism. Shooting through a wall doesn't make sense.

As for the storage? I'm guessing that at the time of Guild Wars release, they didn't have a way of expanding the sizes of it. It could either be related to game costs, or the engine at the time just wasn't capable of increasing it.

And I'm not sure why they don't have a forum...More cost/related issues? (I hate being so judgemental towards their income, but I got nothing.)

floppinghog

floppinghog

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pit of brimstone

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i guess we forgot to notice the extra storage we just recently got?

if your sight is obstructed while targeting shouldn't you be made aware of it? i can understand that maybe the character should move on its own for no obstruction, but your the player, you are supposed to play and adjust these things.

uhm?

xromania???

xromania???

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

Transylvania

lor

E/Mo

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Quote:
Originally Posted by floppinghog
i guess we forgot to notice the extra storage we just recently got?
I said "how is posible to have until now a so little storage"

Quote:
Originally Posted by floppinghog
the character should move on its own for no obstruction, but your the player, you are supposed to play and adjust these things.
I said "I cant take care every minute if i play 3 hours to avoid wals or other things"

I had a question, heroes, henchies or foes have too this problem? In rest i dont need anymore answers thx, i saw enough (but first replly was good - "Shooting through a wall doesn't make sense" nothing more to say)

explodemyheart

explodemyheart

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by xromania™
I said "how is posible to have until now a so little storage"
Does it matter that we didn't used to have it? We have it now, so what's the use of being annoyed that we didn't have it before?

Taala

Taala

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by xromania™
I said "how is posible to have until now a so little storage"
Yes! Let's complain how long it took since we can no longer whine about our small storages!! No wait:

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Originally Posted by xromania™
and still is litlle
Apparently you can still whine about that.

Enko

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

VA

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Quote:
Originally Posted by xromania™
I said "I cant take care every minute if i play 3 hours to avoid wals or other things"
so you want a game where you push a button and the game does everything for you? if you're getting target obstructed, move somewhere so your view isn't obstructed . ..

Kali Magdalene

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

Washington

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Quote:
Originally Posted by xromania™
How is posible after years and updates to have this "bug" with target obstructed? The warrior must go himself without player help to a location where the shoot isnt obstructed. Im wonder if heroes, henchies or foes have too this problem. I cant take care every minute if i play 3 hours to avoid wals or other things.
It's not a bug, it's intended.

Not only do enemies, henchmen, and heroes experience it too, I've seen some enemies actually continue to attempt shooting through a wall rather than move so its no longer obstructed.

Corran Horn

Corran Horn

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Alliance of Xen

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Actually, obstructions can be a very good thing. It's called cover, use it.

Smile Like Umean It

Smile Like Umean It

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

E/Rt

True, but you can't use it as cover all the time. Me and a guildie went out capping and got to an ele boss. We were no where near the wall but still getting the target obstructed message and the boss couldn't wand us either, but he still sent a 100+ damaging fireball through the wall.

rick1027

rick1027

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

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actually what your boss was doing is something i do all the time while standing behind a wall. the meteor or meteor shower comes from above or sky so isnt obstructed. thats why i like those skills so much but yes you gotta watch those ele bosses that can do the same to you.

thelessa

thelessa

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Texas

Purple Puzycats

R/Mo

I have noticed lately, even if I have direct line of sight to a target it says that it is "obstructed." I can move and be right on top of it and it will still say "obstructed." It can be frustrating.

Kas

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Would be right for Meteor, but doesn't apply to fireball. Obstructed works quite okay at most times, but can turn into a real nightmare when the map designjust plain sucks.
Petrified Arena anyone? :X

Silent Coyote

Silent Coyote

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

UK

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yes there are quite a few places (usually around bridges I find) where the target obstructed thing is bugged. Was doing bonus for one of the fire island missions other day and there was a bridge bit going over some lava. The only place where I didn't get the target obstructed message was when I was standing on top of the titan we were trying to kill, kinda ruins the whole defensive line when the casters have to stand next to the enemy to hit them. ^_^

HawkofStorms

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Join Date: Aug 2005

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Wow. Way to be ungratful about the storage upgrade.

And umm.. yeah shotting through walls makes no sense. Honestly, there is no point to this thread. Also, you broke a forum rule by posting a "multiple idea" thread. Closing in 3...2...1

raven214

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Join Date: May 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Silent Coyote
yes there are quite a few places (usually around bridges I find) where the target obstructed thing is bugged. Was doing bonus for one of the fire island missions other day and there was a bridge bit going over some lava. The only place where I didn't get the target obstructed message was when I was standing on top of the titan we were trying to kill, kinda ruins the whole defensive line when the casters have to stand next to the enemy to hit them. ^_^
I love the fact that you have to consider line of sight. I hate the obstructed bug. As a ranger, line of sight is everything to me -- I'm constantly working for/with it. I notice the obstruction bug all the time when a target is near the side of a bridge or staircase, and less often when near a wall. Sometimes no matter how much I move around, even if I stand right on top of the target, I still can't hit it. When that happens all I can do is stand there and root for the rest of the team... so annoying when a bug renders you completely ineffective.

Silent Coyote

Silent Coyote

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

UK

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Yes don't get me wrong, I like line of sight, and would hate the game without it. Just wish they would fix the bridge bugs.

Loviatar

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Join Date: Feb 2005

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Originally Posted by xromania™
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I said "I cant take care every minute if i play 3 hours to avoid wals or other things"
if you are not even bothering to watch where you are going why even play?

Zedd Kun

Zedd Kun

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Join Date: Aug 2006

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Would you like to shoot through walls? Play CS then..

moriz

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there's a LOS bug with rotscale. if he moves onto the very top of the stairs of his little fort, it is impossible to hit him with projectile attacks even at point blank range.

as for bridges, it is important to note that what's a clear LOS to you might not be the same for your character. change your camera angle to the same level of your character. you'll find that the target really IS obstructed from that angle.

Enchanted Warrior

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

W/Mo

If it is obstructed, it should not be targettable. Plain and simple. It's abug, goof, oversight..whatever.

xromania???

xromania???

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Join Date: Jan 2007

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lor

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Corran Horn
Actually, obstructions can be a very good thing. It's called cover, use it.
Yes that why they didnt solve this "bug", because is good, but should be a way...
Im wonder if heroes have target obstructed and if they have they move?
I dont blame Anet, is a fantastic game. Nothing is perfect

lucifer_uk

lucifer_uk

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by xromania™
Yes that why they didnt solve this "bug", because is good, but should be a way...
Im wonder if heroes have target obstructed and if they have they move?
I dont blame Anet, is a fantastic game. Nothing is perfect
That's because it isn't a "bug" to fix.

Remember this game does not have a vertical axis so bridges can sometimes cause strange LOS effects.

Yes heroes can get target obstructed. Generally they move to a clearer view before and during attacking though.

Kali Magdalene

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

Washington

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enchanted Warrior
If it is obstructed, it should not be targettable. Plain and simple. It's abug, goof, oversight..whatever.
No, it should be targetable. Otherwise, wow...add some extra tedium to the game.

Plus, several spells can be cast through obstruction. Pretty much anything that doesn't involve a flying projectile works like this.

A. Noid

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

N/A

R/E

Lord help me...I'm going to try and assume where the OP is coming from.

*wish me luck*

I've noticed- specifically with Nightfall, that some of the bridges (Kournan encampment ones) have given me the 'obstructed' error.

Yeah, it's not fun, but, all things considered, I never thought to write it down, or file a report with ANet.
There are just too many wonderful things about Nightfall to let that get in the way of my fun.


-ANoid

Admael

Admael

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

California

Xen of Heroes

If hero's line of sight is obstructed, they will not move, you will have to nudge them so their sight is directed in a good angle.

floppinghog

floppinghog

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Join Date: Oct 2005

pit of brimstone

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Quote:
Originally Posted by xromania™
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I said "how is posible to have until now a so little storage"
yeah, maybe you should try re-reading your own posts, you said, "Also how is posible to have until now a so little storage? and still is litlle and the inventory too." thus, your still complaining about storage, which we got, and is no-longer small (you're gonna need all the campaigns though).
Quote:
Originally Posted by xromania™
I said "I cant take care every minute if i play 3 hours to avoid wals or other things"
Well, I don't see a question mark there, but ok. Also, maybe you should take some of the 3 hours you play and test the things your wondering about.
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Originally Posted by xromania™
I had a question, heroes, henchies or foes have too this problem? In rest i dont need anymore answers thx, i saw enough (but first replly was good - "Shooting through a wall doesn't make sense" nothing more to say)
Correct, but you're not going to ask your target to kindly not run behind a wall, corner, tree, tower, or any other obstructing structures while you try to kill them, now are they?

Well, yes depending on your calls and where you are, heros/henchies will not try to get around something to make attacks hit, plus, they are usually only as smart as the person controlling them anyways.

VGJustice

VGJustice

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

Tyria, cappin' ur bosses

Boston Guild [BG]

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Hooray for forum topics that have no purpose beyond flame bait! \o/

strcpy

strcpy

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

One of Many [ONE]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Enchanted Warrior
If it is obstructed, it should not be targettable. Plain and simple. It's abug, goof, oversight..whatever.
There are quite a few reasons to target something that is obstructed. As was mentioned before many spells do not require line of sight - no reason to make the Ele move when they are perfectly able to cast. There is a need to call targets that you can not attack, both in human groups and *especially* in hench/hero groups. And finally you can use it to initiate an attack from a distance and have your toon run towards the targets until in range (I use this many times to find a narrow path into an area).

Nor do I think you really want your guy *automatically* moving to where it isn't obstructed. I would bet after you start an attack and they automatically shift around and aggro another group resulting in a party wipe there will be tons of threads complaining. It is easy to get in trouble simply with the automatic pathing when you know it is going to happen, let alone when you do not know and they would simply shift, especially given that it can be quite a distance they need to move sometimes.