Weapon Requirments YOU NEED 12 In sword/axe etc to get full damage!

I get so annoyed at people PMing me saying a weapon with req 10 is crap and they want to have a max of 8 in sword/axe and use a req 8 sword and think they getting that weapons full damage (i.e whatever it says on the weapon 12-19 15-22 etc)

I try to explain to them that you need 12 in sword/axe/hammer regardless of whether its a req 7,8,9 or 10 to get that weapons FULL damage potential (i.e whatevers writen on the text of the weapon)

Take a guy that has a 15-22 dam sword with req 9 and you have 9 in Swordmanship you will only be doing 77.1% of the potential damage of that sword.

Now put 12 in swordmanship and you will be doing 100% of the 15-22 of the sword

You want proof?? well here it is on this very site

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...nics-id674.php

Attribute
Level Percent of
Weapon Damage
0 35.6%
1 38.6%
2 42.0%
3 45.9%
4 50.0%
5 54.5%
6 59.5%
7 64.8%
8 70.7%
9 77.1%
10 84.1%
11 91.7%
12 100%
13 104%
14 107%
15 111%
16 115%

And thats the table from the link as you can se you NEED 12 to get whats writen on the text of the weapon

Now everyone read that link and buy your cheaper req 12 weapons

Surely your problem is with people in game not knowing this information, most people in the forums would have read and known this already.

You need to give the link in your post to the people that PM you to point them to the information.

i have a question.

when i have swordmanship 12. and a sword with 15-22 damage.

does a req. 8 sword do more damage then a req. 12 sword?

nope, not at all,
if you meet the req, you get the full damage potential, modified by the percentage warrior has listed, if you don't meet the req, the weapon is treated as being .. bad, 2-4 damage.

YEP

This is the same I believe for beast mastery and the damage potential your pets does.

Err, you will probably feel foolish when you reread his comment and see he is answering (correctly no less) the poster above him who asked about a req 8 vs a req 12 weapon doing different damages at the same skill attribute level.

But maybe yelling and cursing feels better than reading and spelling correctly??

Yes notice my quick edit

Oh yeah I wrote this thread in a frenzy after having an argument with 3 level 20`s that think they know otherwise about this so sorry for the snappy comment that I gave after misreading (edited now)

one more question.

why do the level 8 req. weapsons cost so much more, if they arent better then level 12?

Just because of the nearer to PERFECTION value... just the same reason why a +14% dam and a +15% dam above 50% health weapon cost so much different in value...You will not notice the extra 1% but the difference in value is great.

Also you have more option with a req 8 over a req 12 i.e. you might not care about damage much and wish to do a little bit of damage and put the rest in tanking skills, but most warriors would put 12 in sword/axe etc if they all knew this.

thx. its clear to me now.

screw 12... i go 16... all the way... 115%FTW
and dont worry about mending, just kill ppl, lets ur monk handle ur hp

Nice info. Although the majority of tanks don't need 100% plus damage. Just to keep the bad guys occupied with their shields of meatness..

Warrior while what you say is true you are over simplifying the situation.

What most people mean when they talk about meeting the requirement is that you will be allowed to roll the maximum potential of the weapon. If you don't meet the requirement your roll in the base of the formula will be limited to a lesser value. The attribute value is part of the formula in the exponent. Both values affect the damage outcome of the weapon.
Also wands and staves are treated differently:
Another important consideration when looking at that table and the damage return for attribute cost is this statement:
This also fits in with IMehler's question and Andy_M's answer. Tanks don't always need to achieve 100% damage potential (good examples of this are UW invinci tanks, Orozar farming tanks, etc) when they aren't really the damage dealers but the necro and smite monk are.
The reason why you might want a low req weapon is because you want the benefit of the maximum roll of the weapon, but your build is better suited to spending points in other areas.

It can be frustrating when trying to trade with people who are relying on inaccurate information. Getting mad at people because they haven't learned the game mechanics as thouroughly as you have kind of makes you sound like a jerk. Mechanics are really complicated and I'm sure if Ensign could go outside the bounds of his NDA he would explain even more and it would get even more complex. Try and be patient with those that are learning and just ignore and move on from those that don't want to listen.

I'll point out that this isn't strictly correct - the attribute level at which you start to suffer from diminishing returns scales up with your level, hitting 12 at level 20. If you're a level 4 character, for example, you start getting diminishing returns on your weapon attribute after level 3, even though you can pump your natural attribute level up to 5 at that point. I don't know exactly how it scales, but at level 20 the diminishing returns point is at 12 and since your character is going to spend most of his life at 20 that's what really matters in the end.


Right. The easiest way to put this is that weapon damage is equal to:

A*B

A depends *only* on the weapon's stats. If you meet the req it will be the listed damage - if you don't meet the req, it'll be the damage a newbie weapon deals.

B depends *only* on your attributes. The higher they are, the more damage you'll deal.

A low-req weapon is good if you want to get some use out of a weapon at that low attribute, but if you want to deal actual damage you're going to need high attributes no matter what the weapon says.


I'm not under any sort of NDA. The things I haven't explained in depth, like critical hit percentages and how that diminishing returns point scales are simply things I still don't know right now. If there's anything you'd like me to explain better I can do my best to fill you in on it though.

Peace,
-CxE

Same here, though I wouldn't even consider Mending.

Note that skill damage scales up differently than weapon damage; for example, the difference between Eviscerate at lvl 12 and lvl 16 Axe Mastery is 7 points of damage (+24 and +31 damage, respectively) - a 29% increase. Also, damage-dealing Warriors tend not to have many other attributes that are important to doing their main job, so there are few reasons why not to max out your weapon attribute.

The point warrior is trying to make (I think) is, if you aren't going to max out your attribute for a certain weapon, don't even bother using it, as you'll be as useful with that weapon as the idiot smite monks who plague random arena (I had to say that lol). Its nice that you have a max req 7 furious fellblade of fortitude, have fun hitting 2s (no joke) on warriors.

I did it the other way with what seems to be reasonable success:

I got a req 9 sword +15% while enchanted as I use Balthazars Spirit a lot.

Bumped my swordsmanship to 9 so I get reasonable damage, then bumped tactics to 11 and strength to 15 (all with runes).

This way I do reasonable, though not great, damage with the sword, and let Bleeding and conditions do a lot of the work for me.

I have no idea how it would go PvP though it tanks fairly nicley in PvE and still maintains decent damage output over time.

I honestly dont think having my sword at 12 would make up for the lack of damage i'd see using Deadly Riposte and Desperation Blow, plus the additional damage I'd take not being able to keeps Dolyaks and Watch Youself up.

However, when I swap over to my heavy damage hammer/smite warrior my hammer skill goes back to 12.

In summary: It depends on what your trying to do. A low req sword _can_ be usefull.

Ultimately people are paying for additional flexibility. Lower requirement weapons just give players more options when spreading their attribute points.

Who knows what "crazy" build someone will come up with that works out with a 7 point attribute in swords.

Thats pretty much what I think too.

Ahh, I made an assumption there. The beta testers with super secret james bond info seem to have weird colors to their board names and after reading some of your posts I made that erroneous assumption. All apologies. I do occasionally come up with a question. If it's decent I will definitely ask.

I have been leveling a warrior recently and have been playing around with the diminishing returns idea. I have a max damage req 8 sword and then switched to axe with a max damage req 9 axe at about level 9 or 10. What worked for me was pumping my axe mastery up to 9 using cap plus superior rune. This allowed me the max roll from the weapon coupled with +15% dam. If the diminished return curve at lower levels is less than around level/2 + 4 then I found it offset by having max allowable rolls from the weapon.

Having a low req on a weapon is a great way to level your new character among the many other reasons to use one.

Holy shit, Batman! WHY hadn't I read this earlier??? I cannot believe the difference it makes! Sheesh, and here I was using min requirement on my eapons all the time. Bumping my attributes from 9 to 12 made all the difference in the world. Oh, man, oh man!

Alot of people already know this..It doesn't change the fact that low req. weapons are worth, sometimes, upto twice what the same weapon of a high req is worth..

Especially with warriors. Its all about freeing up your attribute pts. When your not the main dmg dealer, its entirely sensible to give up a few percent dmg to free up those pts for a better suited attribute.

For some classes their non-weapon attributes tend to give the greatest percent of their dmg anyway.