Public relations nightmare!

So you are you just ignoring 95% of the forums?

Pretty sure this is the worst thing you've ever done to the game, besides nerfing dual orders.

thankyou ^_^

Please explain this update from the point of view of reduces sized teams set up for farming. If I can do an area with a team of 5 as opposed to a team of 8, why would I? Why do you want to discourage innovative strategies?

I very much doubt that you and the "Lords of the Dead" have beat many faces in.

You know, not everybody's been playing the game for 2 years.

A lot of gold? Not really... at all. Cleared Perdition Rock and got 684 gold. That's less than 1/4 of what I got from regular drops from the monsters while clearing it. I could have gone and played in normal mode for the same amount of time and made just as much money (monster drops + vanquisher bonus).

I enjoyed myself just fine, thanks.

The difference there is that Anet has acknowledged that the SR change was not ideal. This is still new, a great many people who play the game were asleep when the update went live and haven't even had a chance to find out what's happened. If you want to tell people to stop whining about it, 1) wait a week or so and/or 2) wait until Anet admits that it's not an ideal situation.

Universal appreciation, not from my Guild so far. Higher levels in HM is what was expected, but the same amount of loot from them as their NM counterparts is not ok at all.

We decided to try Sorrows Furnace on Hard Mode, and right away noticed that the cash drops were the same as NM - no special drops either.

Then we decided to experiment and do the same run in Normal Mode. Well, 4 greens, 2 golds, and more loot & cash.

Then we did a 5 man run - same cash, and we were in NM.

So much for better drops I guess. Far easier for me to grab a guildie and hero some runs in NM than spend who knows how many hours waiting to get into a party in HM.

I'll mess around in game for awhile, see what changes are made and reserve final judgement.

Ok this is how I look at the situation.... I love doing solo and full group farming and whatnot, I am not happy with the update...But what I think some people are missing is the fact that ANET wants to drag everything out... What I mean by this, it will take longer to make money, to get the items and the armor that one wants in the game.... If they reduce loot drops this will take longer tp achieve those goals, allowing them time to dev EOTN and gw2, by trying to keep us entertained in the mean time. As far as the lock picks, hard mode and whatnot, just makes it easier for people to get their titles, and grind for them with the hope of some benifit in gw2. I know that Anet will never make everyone happy, those that dont solo farm, could care less. Those that do solo farm care greatly, sometimes you jsut cant win.
Having said that, the update itself is not bad.. The reduce loot drop will effect everyone... The way I see it, solo farmers can control alot of the economy. (i.e constant echo buys/sells) highend items they might get and evrything else ppl solo farm to gain. We shall see how this effects the markets. I really hope though that ANET will decide to fix the one mistake in this update that might very well turn many ppl away from GW1 and stay away from EOTN and GW2

haha, nerfing dual orders. Good jk.

Seriously tho, scale up teams rather than scaling down solo farming.

Also, less Public Relations Bullshit. We know what we think, dont try and tell us its a success when its viewed as broken. Its insults our inteligence.

And now that we've heard from the solo farmers....

We've heard over and over that they want more people to be involved in the "player based economy", yet they do the very thing that makes things even more rare. Scarcity of desired items = higher prices. It's simple economics. Gradually they are getting to the point where there will be no bot farming. Of course at the same time they will manage to drive away enough players that it won't matter because not enough people will continue to play to make farming worthwhile for the botters anyway. It's kind of like shopping. You expect a store to take some steps to stop shoplifters. However, if they strip-searched every person who left a store every time, pretty soon no one would shop there. This loot thing is a giant step in that direction.

And Gaile, please don't insult our intelligence. There's no way I believe that you honestly thought farmers would rejoice over this update. That's kind of like saying you thought criminals would rejoice when they were handcuffed.

Anet started the "need" for farming with things like FOW armor. The average player will never ever be able to afford it or gather the needed materials without farming. So this little charade about wanting the average player to be able to afford the rare items is disingenuous at best.

Again we aren't talking about more effective items. Max damage/effect items are available from the collectors and can be modified to emulate nearly any green or rare item out there. A player with the cheapest max armor and collector weapons/items is every bit as effective as those with the rare stuff. All we are talking about here is graphics and fake money.

If everyone can get it then it isn't special. If it isn't special then not many people want to get it. If you kill the incentive and ability for people to strive for things that are difficult to get then many will just give up and move on.

There's not much of an incentive to try to do missions/quests with smaller parties now. If you get the same loot whether you solo or have a full group, you might as well take the maximum amount.

The bottom line is the "scaled" loot drops was a very bad idea IMHO. I could be wrong and it's your game so do what you want, but don't be surprised to see the active player base drop dramatically within the next few weeks if that change is permanent.

No.

Giving players the freedom to choose group sizes when farming would be freedom to do so.

And what of high end items ? The prices will skyrocket. solo farmers are important to the economy, their shenanigans bring prices down a lot more then people realize.

Lets watch as ectos and pretty much everything with value triple in price.

In short:

Guild wars just became Grind wars.

I am sure they will make the drop rate better or put it back the way it was. There is far to many people fired up over this and this could be the final straw to pushes people away. It has only been a few hours and look at the response. Most of the kiddies are still in bed sleeping. It will get worse before it gets better.

I'm just going to throw it out there that this statement holds the least amount of truth in the whole thread, even more then Gaile's lol.

I'd like to go on the record saying that Lews and myself are no longer solo farmers. Once upon a time we solo farmed ToPK/HA with IWAY but those days are long gone.

Well they ARE people against the solo farm are they not? Unless they're just random people who like randomly telling people to "STFU"

Well... Yeah... You pretty much hit the nail on the head right there.

I think most people are talking about solo farming not group farming. This update was a huge blow to solo farmers.

Do greens also get scaled up or is it still pretty much one green drop at a time? If so, it would make it harder for people to get greens because atleast before you could attempt to solo for it. Go in wiht a group, there is a good chance it won't even drop and even if it does, it prob. goes to someone else.

Yeah, everyone get nothing. /sarcasm

Those days are long past my friend. I no longer farm the Rifts as I was want to do. =/

The latter statement is correct, and I think you meant they are FOR solo farm. Either way the later comment was the correct one, though.

Haha! Good one.

Well, I've given my two cents to this topic and that's that. Materialism is ok but some people here take it to ridiculous levels. The game is quite playable without all the fancy loot, and making a serious effort to acquire something extraordinary will just make it feel that much more special.

I think on a pve standpoint the game should revert back to the way it was 21 months ago (on most aspecs of the game). Seperate pvp so that mecanics work different for skills (ga balance there). As for SOLO Farming that was how I got my weps and many of my runes its alot EZ'er to find what your looking for then to buy since its sooo costly. Plus Its alot harder to find people to quest with missions aren't that hard there is always someone for those. All I'm saying is well I guess I get what I pay for which this game is pretty chep (compared to a real MMO)(gw is not an MMO).

P.s. How do I put "Guild Wars is not an MMO in My sig?

1. People like the hard mode update, not the farming nerf - don't try to say everyone loves the update when they like most of it but are extremely upset by a part of it.

2. Supporting group play and increasing drops for groups is great, go ahead and do that but leave soloers alone.

3. Why would anyone be happy about the changes to the repeated map entry effects when solo farming has been essentially removed from the game? Of course i can still go into a zone and kill things by myself, but for every 15 things i kill, level 26 things mind you, i now get a whopping 100g!!!

4. In short, most of the update is great, but you have a serious problem with one part of it. Reverse the changes that hurt soloers, keep the increased drops for groups and you'll be heading in the right direction. If not - i'll refer you to your post where you said ANET wouldn't do anything to stop non-bots from farming solo and then you can explain how this update doesn't make that statement a lie.

Didn't I tell you to shut the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO up?

Yes you did. Twice now. But I overruled you.

See once you beat the game... there's really no reason to play anymore. EXCEPT TO GET UBER SHINEY ITEMS.

Great, I just came back to play GW again after a long break and now this? Well done Anet, have youself a banana. What the hell were you thinking?
Wait a sec! is this your respond to the "where are all the pugs?" QQer, Anet?

I really use to love this game. This is a game right? I thought games where suppose to be fun. I remeber first making a 55 monk before all the aoe stuff, man that was fun. However Slowly over time Anet has taken all my enjoyment out of this game and made me frustrated. I am seriously considering giving up.

I mean come on I have all three chapters, thats $150.00. 10 Characters, bought extra character slot $10.00. Shouldn't i have some kinda vote on these changes. Sure bot farming is bad but they wont stop. Most people may go to Ebay to get there items and gold now. This will only push the pour chinese to work harder for there gold. Please Anet think of the pour gold sweat shop worker.

I love to solo and i love to get into groups with real players. I do agree that the heroes have ruined the pug aspect of the game. I seriously dought this will encourage that big of a change in the game to make more people play togehter. I for one like to use heroes more than struggle to find a half way decent real player. Lets face it most casual players out there kinda suck at the game. I dont want to have to keep replaying a mission just hoping i get lucky with a good group.

Why do people need money to buy things? Well lets see all the expensive stuff just looks way better. I mean come on the 1.5k gladiator armor compaired to 15k, big difference to me. There are many examples out there like this one. All the expensive weapons are expensive because of looks. Sure you can have plain ordinary crap but why when you can farm and earn nice things. Might as well make this game with premade armor and weapons starting on your character and have no drops at all. This way we wont have to worry about money or farmers or any thing. We can just all look the same and skills will be the only difference in game.

Just plain and simple everything i start to enjoy gets ruined in this game to were basically i have no choice but to either go with the flow or stop playing. Please Anet dont you guys want people who play your game to be happy? I am not happy any more. Sure you always do great updates but with the good usually comes more bad.