i play the ecto market quite a bit, have since day one pretty much.
now with the advent of using a item to take you to UW without having favor, i wonder if this can mess with the current ecto market.
It could if the drop rate or availability of these items are abundant. Or if this in any way takes place of holding halls to have favor. Then i see it affecting the ecto market adversly.
please share some thoughts and give some more info, because i dont have all of it just yet.
ps UW hard mode....lol its a tab bit fun
-great scoot
UW entrance without Favor. Hurt ecto market?
Great Scoot
Obey The Cat
no it won't hurt the ecto market because less ectos are dropping in solo/duo farming.
Hell Raiser
They may even go up.
Exoudeous
I dont think its going to effect the ecto market too much.
for one you hav to have a scroll for everytime you want to go in so a farmer would have to have alot of these, and buying them is out of the question for farmers cause it would make it harder for them to get a profit. that and non 8 man groups get lower drop rates
for one you hav to have a scroll for everytime you want to go in so a farmer would have to have alot of these, and buying them is out of the question for farmers cause it would make it harder for them to get a profit. that and non 8 man groups get lower drop rates
Bryant Again
Solo farming isn't going to be so popular anymore, so if anything yeah, they'll go up.
Nekretaal
No it wolnt hurt the ecto market.
A quick run of the smites is more efficient timewise than a questing run, and because scroll drops are limited, it will be a waste of a scroll to do the most profitable UW/FoW runs which all revolve around abusing instances. Because the scroll drops of the scrolls are rare.. players in regions without favor will not be able to hit profitable farm areas (like the spider cave) that can be done quickly... rezone and then hit them again.
Instead, these players will likely save the scrolls for longer runs or questing runs, which are less efficient for farming purposes (if the group leaves or wipes, they may not be able to get back into the Fow/UW).
The above doesnt apply to the free acess to Deep / Urgoz scrolls, which will limit severly the town controlling alliance's ability to control acess to Deep/Urgoz.
Also, any serious farmer already had a europe account, and europe still has favor forever, so acess really isnt changed.
A quick run of the smites is more efficient timewise than a questing run, and because scroll drops are limited, it will be a waste of a scroll to do the most profitable UW/FoW runs which all revolve around abusing instances. Because the scroll drops of the scrolls are rare.. players in regions without favor will not be able to hit profitable farm areas (like the spider cave) that can be done quickly... rezone and then hit them again.
Instead, these players will likely save the scrolls for longer runs or questing runs, which are less efficient for farming purposes (if the group leaves or wipes, they may not be able to get back into the Fow/UW).
The above doesnt apply to the free acess to Deep / Urgoz scrolls, which will limit severly the town controlling alliance's ability to control acess to Deep/Urgoz.
Also, any serious farmer already had a europe account, and europe still has favor forever, so acess really isnt changed.
lord_shar
Ecto prices are already rising now that all drop rates are 12.5% normal yield (I just check the rare materials merchant).
The raw material generation base (ecto + other rare materials) is effectively gone. Reduced monster drops = less player buying power = higher overhead when buying salvage + ID kits, etc...
It is only a matter of time before the ecto economy completley crashes (assuming the loot-scaling change is not backed out). There is little point in gathering/hoarding/supporting ecto since its supply is now severely limited, and there is no longer any certainty that people can gather enough to form a full suit of FoW armor.
GG, this update just convinced my wife to let me buy a PS3. She's pretty unhappy that she can no longer purchase Vabbi armor in light of this update.
The raw material generation base (ecto + other rare materials) is effectively gone. Reduced monster drops = less player buying power = higher overhead when buying salvage + ID kits, etc...
It is only a matter of time before the ecto economy completley crashes (assuming the loot-scaling change is not backed out). There is little point in gathering/hoarding/supporting ecto since its supply is now severely limited, and there is no longer any certainty that people can gather enough to form a full suit of FoW armor.
GG, this update just convinced my wife to let me buy a PS3. She's pretty unhappy that she can no longer purchase Vabbi armor in light of this update.
GloryFox
You guys are missing something important here. Current drop rates are based on an ecto drop rate nerf a long time ago because of solo farming UW. I would strongly suspect that ANET will change and if anything increases the drop rates of ectoplasm in Underworld back to per nerf drop rates.
Also the anti farming code that reduces the amount of drops you get for going in an area over and over has been removed.
Also the anti farming code that reduces the amount of drops you get for going in an area over and over has been removed.
Rocky Raccoon
It seems to me that we are all talking about play money here. Unless you are breaking the EULA by selling this stuff for real money, what does it matter.
Captain Sarcastic
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She's pretty unhappy that she can no longer purchase Vabbi armor in light of this update.
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I got vabbian armor for my dervish by hitting the keyless chests and salvaging jeweled/ruby items. No solo farming. No ectos.
lord_shar
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No offense, but that's just silly.
I got vabbian armor for my dervish by hitting the keyless chests and salvaging jeweled/ruby items. No solo farming. No ectos. |
Str0b0
The ecto market is going to boom because of this. Sure they made favor free access but then they nerfed the drop rates. So you end up with the same demand and less of a supply which means higher prices. Of course for people trying to make their fortune off the ecto market now this sucks but for people sitting on a stack or four congrats you're richer now. I'm going to personally sit on mine for awhile. Unless they make a pretty drastic drop rate change then ecto will hit Prophecy prices, you know back when FoW armor meant something.
Captain Sarcastic
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Please share, and I'll pass on the message to her...
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TheRaven
Umm, ok I definitely missed something here. We can enter FOW/UW without favor now?????
lord_shar
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Share? On how to find the keyless chests, or how to salvage jeweled/ruby items?
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EDIT: NVM, I think I found what you were referring to. Thanks for the tip
Captain Sarcastic
You're welcome.
Captain Sarcastic
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Umm, ok I definitely missed something here. We can enter FOW/UW without favor now?????
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Macktar Wang
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Yup. There are scrolls that drop in Hard Mode that allow a group to bypass favor.
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TheRaven
Ok, next question. How do these scrolls work? If I don't have a scroll, can I join a party where the leader has a scroll and get in. Or does everyone in the party have to have a scroll? Can I buy a scroll in town from the scroll trader, or only by finding one?
Oh, this is gonna be soooo cool. Finally they listened to us and created a way to bypass favor. I can hardly wait til I get off work to try all this.
Oh, this is gonna be soooo cool. Finally they listened to us and created a way to bypass favor. I can hardly wait til I get off work to try all this.
LONGA
Maybe They gonna reduce the requirement for FoW armour.And since hard mode is here I suspect that there will be more Ecto per run as Monsterous fang and calw got a good drop rate buff as well.
Red-Tide
Ecto's are gonna skyrocket in price now.
Ensign
My gut reaction was that ectos were going to skyrocket in price because they couldn't be readily solo-farmed, but the gold that was being used to pay for them can't be readily solo-farmed anymore either. All aspects of the economy just got hit, and I can't guess how it will land.
Keyless chests would have been even more important post update, if those actually still worked. I haven't been able to open them in over two months now.
Peace,
-CxE
Keyless chests would have been even more important post update, if those actually still worked. I haven't been able to open them in over two months now.
Peace,
-CxE
HawkofStorms
Yeah, there are a lot of aspects to the economy now making it difficult to predict what will happen. Money is harder to come by from farming, but people can get money faster now by playing in hard mode. Ecto prices will rise because people can't solo farm, but if UW passage scrolls become more and more common, prices might drop down a bit as more people are able to enter UW/FoW whenever they want.
Frankly, the rich should be able to get VERY rich from this if they play their cards right. Also, sell those elite tomes and stuff at a markup while you can.
Frankly, the rich should be able to get VERY rich from this if they play their cards right. Also, sell those elite tomes and stuff at a markup while you can.
dargon
They also created a way to bypass town ownership to get into the deep and the warren, just costs each person 1000 kurzick / luxon faction
clawofcrimson
I can now go to FOW with my euro buddies!
Miral
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I dare say 90% of the people going into those places are there to farm (or should I say, were).
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Amy Awien
If drop rates increase with party size, larger parties will result in more drops (at least in total party wide) and in less time. More ectos would come into the market. But also more gold ...
lord_shar
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If drop rates increase with party size, larger parties will result in more drops (at least in total party wide) and in less time. More ectos would come into the market. But also more gold ...
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Synles Chyld
ive never got good at solo farming but i solo play all the time (with my heroes and henchies tho) and i hate that they take my loot i just hate that with a passion i tend to play with others more just to get a decent drop u kno at least if our helpers(heroes&henchies) r gonna get loot to dont give them all the best its a very rare occasion i ever get a nice drop while they r in a group with me it sux i tell u Anet plz nerf the hero-henchie drop stealing plz
MithranArkanere
Not at all.
It's just saving 1k and bing able to enter even if the current region has no favor.
They should let people sell the scrolls in scroll traders, too.
So people who live in areas that usualy have favor could get some cash by 'selling' the entrance to those who get less time.
It's just saving 1k and bing able to enter even if the current region has no favor.
They should let people sell the scrolls in scroll traders, too.
So people who live in areas that usualy have favor could get some cash by 'selling' the entrance to those who get less time.
Dr Strangelove
I've actually noticed a huge increase in the quality of my drops, I'm curious if that was compensation for the farming nerf.
I don't think anyone can honestly say where ectos will go. The demand for them was never staggeringly high, their true value was as an alternative to money. That being said, unless their drop rate increases tenfold, there's going to be a lot fewer of them around, scrolls or no scrolls.
I don't think anyone can honestly say where ectos will go. The demand for them was never staggeringly high, their true value was as an alternative to money. That being said, unless their drop rate increases tenfold, there's going to be a lot fewer of them around, scrolls or no scrolls.
Amy Awien
Thursdays update introduced loot scaling with party size, in Friday's update some items are excluded from the scaling. There will be more gold overall.
Shadowfox1125
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If drop rates increase with party size, larger parties will result in more drops (at least in total party wide) and in less time. More ectos would come into the market. But also more gold ...
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Great Scoot
Update - Friday April 20
Loot Changes
* Adjusted the following items so that they are now exempt from loot scaling:
o Skill Tomes
o Scrolls
o Dye
o Rare materials, such as Ectoplasm
o Gemstones from the Domain of Anguish
o All other rare (gold) items
o All unique (green) items
o Special event items
Miscellaneous
* Henchmen that were previously sub-level 20 before entering Hard Mode now have appropriate armor and weapon damage for their level.
* Added the Warrior's 15k Knight's Armor set to the crafter in Marhan's Grotto.
Now i really wonder what will happen to the ecto market. Some of you guys still think that the ecto market is going to boom. I bought almost 100 ectos yesterday at 8.5k each.
-great scoot
Loot Changes
* Adjusted the following items so that they are now exempt from loot scaling:
o Skill Tomes
o Scrolls
o Dye
o Rare materials, such as Ectoplasm
o Gemstones from the Domain of Anguish
o All other rare (gold) items
o All unique (green) items
o Special event items
Miscellaneous
* Henchmen that were previously sub-level 20 before entering Hard Mode now have appropriate armor and weapon damage for their level.
* Added the Warrior's 15k Knight's Armor set to the crafter in Marhan's Grotto.
Now i really wonder what will happen to the ecto market. Some of you guys still think that the ecto market is going to boom. I bought almost 100 ectos yesterday at 8.5k each.
-great scoot
Dweasel
With the Friday update, ectos will continue to drop at the same rate for solo farmers as they did before. So the supply will not drop.
With the scrolls allowing more people into the UW, the supply of ectos should instead go up.
But the scrolls also allow more people to get to the Forge, which means more demand for ectos for Fissure armor.
Remember during the free access weekend the price of ectos and shards soared on Saturday as people who normally didn't have Forge access bought them up. The extra supply finally dropped the prices to almost exactly where they were on Thursday by Monday.
Which is all to say: nobody knows how the scrolls will affect ecto prices.
With the scrolls allowing more people into the UW, the supply of ectos should instead go up.
But the scrolls also allow more people to get to the Forge, which means more demand for ectos for Fissure armor.
Remember during the free access weekend the price of ectos and shards soared on Saturday as people who normally didn't have Forge access bought them up. The extra supply finally dropped the prices to almost exactly where they were on Thursday by Monday.
Which is all to say: nobody knows how the scrolls will affect ecto prices.