Realm of Torment Nerf.

SotiCoto

SotiCoto

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Drazach Thicket

Temple of Zhen Xianren [Sifu]

So much for the bonus weekend... Farming Lightbringer Points is actually HARDER now than it was before the change... even with the event bonus. Once the weekend is over it will be so impractical as to be ludicrous.

And why is this?

The location, volume and magnitude of the Realm of Torment mobs has been scrambled... There are less creatures to fight and more of the wrong types in the wrong place (i.e. you have to kill all of creature type X just to get to the shrine with the bounty for it... which is then useless) ...
Before the weekend I was doing sessions in Nightfallen Jahai that were actually getting me decent points. Now there are Graven Monoliths all around the Gate of Pain exit (where the Margonite bounty is)... and the only bounty for them is outside the Gate of Torment exit... I hate to think what I'll find there instead.

The hell is with this?

Seriously.... I'm a fairly unskilled guy when it comes to Guild Wars... I don't do too well for myself.... but the magnitude of the changes to the Realm of Torment mobs really wasn't that necessary.

v_v;

And I repeat the key point again: Less enemies = Less Lightbringer Points = More time wasted grinding for points.
The A-Net folks could have just made them less prone to overlapping their patrols, hence lowering the risk of multiple groups converging on the player party...

havok019

havok019

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2007

HdCr

W/Mo

Lost City should be ok though?

Darksun

Darksun

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

USA

Karr's Castle

W/E

I think there are better places to Farm LB points. Elementals in Vabbi & some parts of the Desolation are better. I don't think DoT was the best for time vs point earned.

Carinae

Carinae

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Inside

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

Normal Mode-->Domain of Secrets-->Margonite Fortress Loop-->Heroes: MM + 2 SF Eles + 2 hench monks

4 LB Points per kill, this weekend only!

It comes out to about 565 LB points for a 22 minutes run.

sindex

sindex

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

California

Swords of Night & Day [SWRD]

I agree with both of you (Darksun and havoc019). In my understanding RoT is harder then heck to get the LB and Sunspear points. I think it’s better to go to “The Hidden City of Ahdashim and the Desolation to get those points. The reward for RoT has never really been worth the effort except for the quests at times.

Kijik Oni Hanryuu

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

the 7th level of HELL! J/K Somewhere in GW assassinating things

[acid]members of the KAWS alliance

A/

dude... just play it in hard mode, they nerfed RoT to make it easier for normal mode players...duh... if you need to farm LB points then play hard mode.

GloryFox

GloryFox

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Good ol' USA, where everyone else wants to be

Now Plays World of Warcraft on Whisperwind

Adapt Overcome Improvise... good mottos to live by.

Lightbringer points will be easy to farm.

RoadKill97

RoadKill97

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Legion of Zeal [Zeal]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood
Hard Mode-->Domain of Secrets-->Margonite Fortress Loop...

12 LB Points per kill, and a bonus for killing a boss, this weekend only! Fixed.

The message is too short... blah blah blah...

SotiCoto

SotiCoto

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Drazach Thicket

Temple of Zhen Xianren [Sifu]

*Shrugs*


I haven't got past the Realm of Fear yet so anything later than that I cannot quite access yet.... Nightfallen Jahai was my farming spot for points until now...
I'm possibly reconsidering if I can track down the better places you're talking about.

Still... if nothing else the changes will have reduced the problem I was having that required I up my Lightbringer level in the first place.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kijik Oni Hanryuu
dude... just play it in hard mode, they nerfed RoT to make it easier for normal mode players...duh... if you need to farm LB points then play hard mode. Firstly, I haven't completed Nightfall with any of my characters yet.
Secondly... what do you mean "just play it in hard mode"? You think I'd get Lightbringer Points any faster in Suicide Mode? The pnly thing playing in Hard Mode would raise is my death count. ¬_¬
That kinda answer is rather like answering the question "how do I get more money" with the reply: "hold up the new york stock exchange with a beretta in broad daylight". It isn't impossible... but the odds of any kind of practical success are so small that an ant would crush them underfoot without even noticing.

I'm grinding for Lightbringer Points primarily so I don't die as often in the Realm of Torment in normal mode... for the record... Hope that gives you some idea of perspective.
And if I ever decide to max out Lightbringer then I will probably continue to do so in Normal Mode until they make Suicide Mode easier.

Carinae

Carinae

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Inside

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

Quote:
Originally Posted by RoadKill97
Fixed.
You are correct, but consider this from the OP:

Quote:
Originally Posted by SotiCoto
Seriously.... I'm a fairly unskilled guy when it comes to Guild Wars... I don't do too well for myself.... but the magnitude of the changes to the Realm of Torment mobs really wasn't that necessary. And other posters are recommending Vabbi or Dasha, so I figured, no offence intended, that this guy should probably stay in Normal Mode. I just wanted to point out a safer, productive way to earn LB points in RoT.

Plus, it's a Demon-free run.

SotiCoto

SotiCoto

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Drazach Thicket

Temple of Zhen Xianren [Sifu]

.... It is no use anyway.

I still wipe whenever I set foot in the Domain of Fear... I don't understand... The groups I'm fighting are smaller than the ones I can completely trample into nothingness in Nightfallen Jahai... and yet in the Domain of Fear the same enemies can completely wipe out my group... even one group of them smaller than my own group. Can ALL this come about soley because we're moving a mere 15% slower? Seriously?!! >_<;;


Incidentally... I never asked if it was normal for all skills to take several seconds to activate in-game? I never questioned because it has been doing it since I first started playing Guild Wars... and it has annoyed me quite severely on several occasions. Like I'll try to cast Assassin's Promise on an enemy near death, within range... and it just flashes for about 6 seconds... then tells me there is no target. Furthermore, sometimes I figure it is going to use the skill since it was pressed down for a few second, so I press the second one in sequence... and suddenly I find my Assassin is trying to start a combo with an Off-hand and it naturally misses. Totally useless. I've never had this kind of trouble with offline games....
Is this normal?
Do other people put up with this same delay on command input?

Rod Adams

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by SotiCoto
Incidentally... I never asked if it was normal for all skills to take several seconds to activate in-game? I never questioned because it has been doing it since I first started playing Guild Wars... and it has annoyed me quite severely on several occasions. Like I'll try to cast Assassin's Promise on an enemy near death, within range... and it just flashes for about 6 seconds... then tells me there is no target. Furthermore, sometimes I figure it is going to use the skill since it was pressed down for a few second, so I press the second one in sequence... and suddenly I find my Assassin is trying to start a combo with an Off-hand and it naturally misses. Totally useless. I've never had this kind of trouble with offline games....
Is this normal?
Do other people put up with this same delay on command input?

Uhm... that's called lag. Serious lag, by the sounds of it.... And no... people don't put up with it. Check the support forums for ways of reducing lag. Unfortunately, the best solution is likely "get a better internet connection".

XvArchonvX

XvArchonvX

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

R/

As others above reccomended, stick to Vabbi to farm Lightbringer points:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10145240

If you are "fairly unskilled when it comes to guildwars" as you say, then you are better off staying out of the realm of torment as much as possible anyways.

Smile Like Umean It

Smile Like Umean It

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

E/Rt

Quote:
Originally Posted by SotiCoto
Incidentally... I never asked if it was normal for all skills to take several seconds to activate in-game? I never questioned because it has been doing it since I first started playing Guild Wars... and it has annoyed me quite severely on several occasions. Like I'll try to cast Assassin's Promise on an enemy near death, within range... and it just flashes for about 6 seconds... then tells me there is no target. Furthermore, sometimes I figure it is going to use the skill since it was pressed down for a few second, so I press the second one in sequence... and suddenly I find my Assassin is trying to start a combo with an Off-hand and it naturally misses. Totally useless. I've never had this kind of trouble with offline games....
Is this normal?
Do other people put up with this same delay on command input? Wow... I'm just going to point you to here. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/f...splay.php?f=16

RoadKill97

RoadKill97

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Legion of Zeal [Zeal]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood
You are correct, but consider this from the OP:
I see your point but killing Margonites in Hard Mode is barely more difficult than killing them in Normal Mode.

Quote: Originally Posted by SotiCoto
I haven't got past the Realm of Fear yet so anything later than that I cannot quite access yet... Firstly, I haven't completed Nightfall with any of my characters yet... I still wipe whenever I set foot in the Domain of Fear... So you just want to progress in the storyline, right? If this is the quest you have problems with, then follow that walktrough and run past those enemies.

unienaule

unienaule

I dunt even get "Retired"

Join Date: Aug 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

I have this to say. You are crazy, and how are you still playing and not bashing your head through the nearest wall with frustration?

Goast

Goast

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

Florida

Triadic Tribesmen

W/Mo

I hate that quest,and if you are lagging try to turn down you graphics alittle.by adjusting your graphics it should cut down on your lag.

Shadowlion

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Do you know Stygian Veil farming? With Ele/Necro/Monk you can farm 1000 per run and tons of good gears(1run usually take 20-30mins), and it's very easy once you know the trick

xProdigy

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2006

Texas

you gotta be kidding me, this is awesome...... i gained 2 ranks of lightbringer on 2 different characters doing Gloom a bunch of times in a row, not that big of a difference

xProdigy

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2006

Texas

you gotta be kidding me, this is awesome...... i gained 2 ranks of lightbringer on 2 different characters doing Gloom a bunch of times in a row, not that big of a difference

Miss Persephone

Miss Persephone

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

I got about 3000 LB points from doing stygian veil on hard mode. So unfortunately, you are just trying to farm them in the wrong place.

Hockster

Hockster

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2005

Trapping Stygian Veil in hard mode. 16 LB points per kill, 36 monsters dead in 7 minutes or so.

Not to mention the abundance of skill points accumulated.

Mark Nevermiss

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockster
Trapping Stygian Veil in hard mode. 16 LB points per kill, 36 monsters dead in 7 minutes or so.

Not to mention the abundance of skill points accumulated.

Nice drops !

Hockster

Hockster

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2005

Ya, typical DoA junk. It's only good for LB and skill points.