Update - Friday April 20, 2007

Indian

Indian

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

[SWIM]/[HooD]/[RFE]

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Loot Changes

* Adjusted the following items so that they are now exempt from loot scaling:
o Skill Tomes
o Scrolls
o Dye
o Rare materials, such as Ectoplasm
o Gemstones from the Domain of Anguish
o All other rare (gold) items
o All unique (green) items
o Special event items

Miscellaneous

* Henchmen that were previously sub-level 20 before entering Hard Mode now have appropriate armor and weapon damage for their level.
* Added the Warrior's 15k Knight's Armor set to the crafter in Marhan's Grotto.

Source:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Game_updates

Neo Nugget

Neo Nugget

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/

15k knights!? i really hope its not like 15k glads helm. This should be interesting lol.

Wilhelm

Wilhelm

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Canada eh

looking for mature, luxon pvx guild

Mo/

So, does that lessen the chances of getting Golds when with a full party?

Hopefully not.

fripple

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2006

I wonder if they've done anything about the suicidal AI they also implemented yesterday. The armor bug is only part of the problem.

berlioz7

berlioz7

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2007

D/

nice update.

-Loki-

-Loki-

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

My guess is 15k knights looks like the black trimmed set the guy is wearing in old ascalon.

AvyScott

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

I wonder who will be the FIRST person get the whole 15k Knight set and show off with pic here

kumarshah

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2007

W/Mo

What suicidal AI?

So, solo farming nerf is not that bad?

chicks boy

chicks boy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

No guild

A/E

So, will the 15k Knights be the next 15k Primeval? ^^

Indian

Indian

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

[SWIM]/[HooD]/[RFE]

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another shot: http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/1286/iviwz5.jpg

thanks to Spawn!

The Ernada

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by kumarshah
What suicidal AI?

So, solo farming nerf is not that bad?
Hardly even a nerf. Solo farmers will still get the same amount of gold items and ectos from before the HB update. They'll just have less junk whites and purples and less gold coins.

Lucifer PVP

Lucifer PVP

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2005

Refuge From Exile [RFE] Refuge-From-Exile.com

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Indian
impulse buy

garethporlest18

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

[HiDe]

W/

It doesn't look all that bad actually. But I won't get it.

Naomi Heartily

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

The Benecia Renovation [RenO]

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilhelm
So, does that lessen the chances of getting Golds when with a full party?

Hopefully not.
I'm wondering the same thing......

Racthoh

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

So basically if you're soloing...

White/purple item drops... game rolls an 8 sided dice and if it lands on 1 you get it.

Item on that list drops... game rolls a 1 sided dice and if it lands on 1 you get it. Or if you're in a party of four the game rolls a 4 sided dice.

Something like that?

rainykwon

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/Mo



here's female 15k knight's undyed..

Arren Knez

Arren Knez

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2007

south of somewhere

Dominion of Passi [PaSI]

well at least it somewhat fixed hench, i wonder if they still stand around taking hits, cause so far thats all their doing in hm

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

The 15k looks like the same one you press to log-in.

Oh, and are Heroes and Henchies fixed?

Thomas Aralias

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Apr 2006

The Avengers of Death

W/

Anet... You've continued business with a 2 year customer . I really appreciate the update. Thanks again.

makosi

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Racthoh
So basically if you're soloing...

White/purple item drops... game rolls an 8 sided dice and if it lands on 1 you get it.

Item on that list drops... game rolls a 1 sided dice and if it lands on 1 you get it. Or if you're in a party of four the game rolls a 4 sided dice.

Something like that?
Exactly, except you get all rare materials, dyes and greens etc. I tried 2 Uw runs there and got very gold and hardly any white trash (excuse the phrase).

Same as a couple of days ago but without the merchant-food which came to about 800g~ worth.

HolyHawk

HolyHawk

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

lf guild~

Me/A

This somehow cripples bot farming, and I guess it makes sense now. I guess that solves the problem; way to develop farming builds for hard mode now, since gold drops should drop often.

Btw, I'm not sure about purple itens, I was vanquishing old ascalon and got plenty of them, I mean it, 11 to be exact, with a hero party. Maybe just luck.

Swift Thief

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2007

Aatxe Pirates [YaRR]

A/

Woot, farming = unnerfed!

Mesmerman

Mesmerman

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2007

[Penis]

Me/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Indian
Loot Changes

* Adjusted the following items so that they are now exempt from loot scaling:
o Skill Tomes
o Scrolls
o Dye
o Rare materials, such as Ectoplasm
o Gemstones from the Domain of Anguish
o All other rare (gold) items
o All unique (green) items
o Special event items

Miscellaneous

* Henchmen that were previously sub-level 20 before entering Hard Mode now have appropriate armor and weapon damage for their level.
* Added the Warrior's 15k Knight's Armor set to the crafter in Marhan's Grotto.

Source:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Game_updates
Assuming that this update is EXACTLY what we think it is, this is perfect. Dedicated farmers will still have their farming, and gold farmers (bots) will basically be shut down. I have no problem with this update NOW. Before I was like, WTF? GUILD WARS = GAME OVER GG. Farming gives the economy stability, and now you little kids who were whining all day have your UW runs back. First time in a long time that Anet has actually fixed one of their mistakes since reverting HA back to 8vs8. That took them longer though...

On the other hand, how about that Soul Reaping fix....

Sasuke The Betrayer

Sasuke The Betrayer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Los Angeles

Pink Pearl

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mesmerman
On the other hand, how about that Soul Reaping fix....
Yea at ^. Gaile said that ANET wasn't content with the current soul reaping so they want to adjust it soon, including make mesmers a bit better in PvE.


THANK YOU ANET..

lyra_song

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

Oh so thats why the hench were dying in Kryta......

xBakox

xBakox

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

[JF] Just Friends, [NOT] Nomads of Turmoil

That helmet for both male and female is HAWT. I'd definately buy it if it allowed for inscriptions. Too bad Anet is still being stubborn about this. Maybe when GWEN comes. Maybe never. Heres to hoping.

Winterclaw

Winterclaw

Wark!!!

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

W/

I think this new change helps.

One question, are IDSs counted rares/greens for the purpose of scaling?

Sabor_Wolf

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

Scouts of Tyria

R/

All those people who complained about ANet biting the big one and doing their own thing probably feel a bit foolish now, and if not, shame on you! Not even 24 hours after hard mode and they didnt revert back, but, made it in such a way that it should keep people happy now - and to be honest, i think the update today has lessened the use of bots later

lyra_song

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Winterclaw
One question, are IDSs counted rares/greens for the purpose of scaling?
Good question.

The IDS is the only Blue item thats "Green-ish"

they really need to fix it and make it green ^^

Nemo the Capitalist

Nemo the Capitalist

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Trust me you dont want to know my Chasms of Despair

Zaishen Brotherhood

N/Me

...........oh my

Miral

Miral

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Hell. AKA Phoenix, AZ

The Gear Trick [GEAR]

W/A

for shame... reverting the ant-solofarm stuff because a few people bitched... I was really looking forward to seeing the economy even out after the change but you didnt even give it a full day to see where it goes. I'm disappointed, arenanet. I think I'll pass on GWEN if it will still be ruled by solofarmers.

trobinson97

trobinson97

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Guildless :(

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by lyra_song
Oh so thats why the hench were dying in Kryta......
Yeah I didn't realize that was the reason at first either. Took Alesia and Stefan with me in Borliss Pass and they got owned very quickly.

Pkest

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

Hooded Reavers of Eternal Life(Ankh)

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Swift Thief
Woot, farming = unnerfed!

lol yeah shows what you know...

Westofeden

Westofeden

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2006

TN

Naga Stole Mah Bike [OhNo]

R/E

Thank god. I was hoping there would be a update. Thank You A-net.

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

Heroes kite now.

EDIT: But they're still horrendously retarded.

furyore

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

The Kabuya Clan

D/Me

haha, and i said "screw this lets go" in DoA when this came out. lolz

arcanemacabre

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

Farming unnerfed? Back to being just plain pissed.

Well, that 15k Knights is kinda cool. Sure beats the heck out of the 15k Glad Helm. I likes the gloves and boots.

LoKi Foxfire

LoKi Foxfire

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Florida

One Corgi Army {OCA}

R/Rt

Quote:
Originally Posted by trobinson97
Yeah I didn't realize that was the reason at first either. Took Alesia and Stefan with me in Borliss Pass and they got owned very quickly.
I tried using Alesia in Fort Ranrik for kicks. Bad idea.

Heroes are the best for 4-man missions though. I'm surprised how really effective a SS necro is in Hard Mode, especially early on when there are few real monks. :O

Skye Marin

Skye Marin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2006

The Seraphim Knights [TSK]

E/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Racthoh
So basically if you're soloing...

White/purple item drops... game rolls an 8 sided dice and if it lands on 1 you get it.

Item on that list drops... game rolls a 1 sided dice and if it lands on 1 you get it. Or if you're in a party of four the game rolls a 4 sided dice.

Something like that?
Actually, for the white/purple items, a solo farmer gets more loot than an individual in a party of 8, even with the new loot scaling. It's logmarithic, not linear.

The good news is, because gold drops are exempt, and they are much more frequent now in Hard Mode, you'll be getting a whole lot more of them. That's good overall for the game because less gold is introduced by merching white items and collector junk. As long as you're facilitating trade by selling golds and upgrades, you're gaining gold that already exists. That was the intention.

More information here:

http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...28#post4836828

Mesmerman

Mesmerman

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2007

[Penis]

Me/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Miral
for shame... reverting the ant-solofarm stuff because a few people bitched... I was really looking forward to seeing the economy even out after the change but you didnt even give it a full day to see where it goes. I'm disappointed, arenanet. I think I'll pass on GWEN if it will still be ruled by solofarmers.
xD Yeah, thanks commander D+ in economics class! Farming stabilizes the game economy. It allows supply for the demand. Gold farming, however, does not. What they have done is eliminated bots and INCREASED other types of farming (you'll actually see more gold item drops now). Just because you have 6k in your storage and can't stand that other people are more devoted than you is no reason to complain. If your idea of a "balanced" economy is one in which everything is attainable for you, go play a single player game. KthxBAI.