Tyria's Next Top Model Cycle 2
Flawed Perfectien
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Originally Posted by Paloma Song
I don't know any of you or any of your guilds, so no personal bias here - I just wanted to chime in since I just read the thread front to back, and saw far more accusations of drama and flaming than actual drama and flaming. In fact, the vast majority of contestants and commentators are far more civil than they ought to be, given some of the wretched things said by the judges. Yes yes, it's a cruel world, the modeling community, but it's important for the judges to remember that this is not, in fact, the modeling community. These are your peers, not your employees. These are your friends, not your personal verbal abuse toys. Your anonymity is not a free pass to be senselessly mean. 'Screening' entries and 'preparing' people for criticism isn't either.
I have judged and won screenshot contests for another game many times, and I would be utterly embarrassed to, first, say such nasty things about the entries, and second, to actually post such nasty things for the artist to see, let alone for public view. You've no right to complain if drama or hurt feelings arise over this 'game' of yours, since the entire contest seems intentionally organized to be dramatic, hurtful, and casually cruel. The integrity of the judging - based strictly on the judges' decisions and comments, since we have no information about their actual credentials - is questionable, and that has the unintended side-effect of undermining the whole competition - which is really very sad, since that will tend to negate the beautiful entries of talented artists. (And I'm not just talking about the political ousting of Beyoncee, which is astonishingly transparent, however deserved).
I very much hope that the next such competition enlists the aid of reviewers who can post relevant, constructive criticism as to the art, rather than seeing who can get in the snarkiest, meanest one-liner, as though they were TV icons with a hardcore image to maintain. If not, then we should continue expecting the same reaction from both model and lurker. In the meantime, perhaps you moderators could hold these nameless judges to the same standard of forum conduct with which you're threatening the rest of us. Not only do they contribute to it, they provoke it in the first place, yet ironically seem unwilling to accept public criticism themselves. Thank you for summing up exactly what I was feeling/thinking. I'd edit down your post to only quote one line, but there's no possible way I could do it justice.
Thank you for coming in and articulating what so many of us are thinking/feeling.
~Lucy
I have judged and won screenshot contests for another game many times, and I would be utterly embarrassed to, first, say such nasty things about the entries, and second, to actually post such nasty things for the artist to see, let alone for public view. You've no right to complain if drama or hurt feelings arise over this 'game' of yours, since the entire contest seems intentionally organized to be dramatic, hurtful, and casually cruel. The integrity of the judging - based strictly on the judges' decisions and comments, since we have no information about their actual credentials - is questionable, and that has the unintended side-effect of undermining the whole competition - which is really very sad, since that will tend to negate the beautiful entries of talented artists. (And I'm not just talking about the political ousting of Beyoncee, which is astonishingly transparent, however deserved).
I very much hope that the next such competition enlists the aid of reviewers who can post relevant, constructive criticism as to the art, rather than seeing who can get in the snarkiest, meanest one-liner, as though they were TV icons with a hardcore image to maintain. If not, then we should continue expecting the same reaction from both model and lurker. In the meantime, perhaps you moderators could hold these nameless judges to the same standard of forum conduct with which you're threatening the rest of us. Not only do they contribute to it, they provoke it in the first place, yet ironically seem unwilling to accept public criticism themselves. Thank you for summing up exactly what I was feeling/thinking. I'd edit down your post to only quote one line, but there's no possible way I could do it justice.
Thank you for coming in and articulating what so many of us are thinking/feeling.
~Lucy
Seamus Finn
I always thought it would have been more fun in the thread if the judges weren't anonymous. They could also develop personalities and even have a designated "mean judge"(this would also mirror the show more and would allow the drama filled critiques but be balanced with more level-headed responses as well). I actually enjoy the "edrama" on the thread, but I can understand how the contestants feel lost when it seems all three judges are mimicing the same archtype. I suppose ingame pms could be bothersome, but as a pvper, I know first hand there's always the ignored list... Just a thought for a future cycles that might have the best of both worlds.
bart
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Originally Posted by Paloma Song
I don't know any of you or any of your guilds, so no personal bias here - I just wanted to chime in since I just read the thread front to back, and saw far more accusations of drama and flaming than actual drama and flaming. In fact, the vast majority of contestants and commentators are far more civil than they ought to be, given some of the wretched things said by the judges. Yes yes, it's a cruel world, the modeling community, but it's important for the judges to remember that this is not, in fact, the modeling community. These are your peers, not your employees. These are your friends, not your personal verbal abuse toys. Your anonymity is not a free pass to be senselessly mean. 'Screening' entries and 'preparing' people for criticism isn't either.
I have judged and won screenshot contests for another game many times, and I would be utterly embarrassed to, first, say such nasty things about the entries, and second, to actually post such nasty things for the artist to see, let alone for public view. You've no right to complain if drama or hurt feelings arise over this 'game' of yours, since the entire contest seems intentionally organized to be dramatic, hurtful, and casually cruel. The integrity of the judging - based strictly on the judges' decisions and comments, since we have no information about their actual credentials - is questionable, and that has the unintended side-effect of undermining the whole competition - which is really very sad, since that will tend to negate the beautiful entries of talented artists. (And I'm not just talking about the political ousting of Beyoncee, which is astonishingly transparent, however deserved).
I very much hope that the next such competition enlists the aid of reviewers who can post relevant, constructive criticism as to the art, rather than seeing who can get in the snarkiest, meanest one-liner, as though they were TV icons with a hardcore image to maintain. If not, then we should continue expecting the same reaction from both model and lurker. In the meantime, perhaps you moderators could hold these nameless judges to the same standard of forum conduct with which you're threatening the rest of us. Not only do they contribute to it, they provoke it in the first place, yet ironically seem unwilling to accept public criticism themselves. You sir have earned my salute! I think this is the best post i've ever read in GWG. Anyway, speaking from experience, one of the golden rules for reviewing a person's work is to not judge the character.
I have judged and won screenshot contests for another game many times, and I would be utterly embarrassed to, first, say such nasty things about the entries, and second, to actually post such nasty things for the artist to see, let alone for public view. You've no right to complain if drama or hurt feelings arise over this 'game' of yours, since the entire contest seems intentionally organized to be dramatic, hurtful, and casually cruel. The integrity of the judging - based strictly on the judges' decisions and comments, since we have no information about their actual credentials - is questionable, and that has the unintended side-effect of undermining the whole competition - which is really very sad, since that will tend to negate the beautiful entries of talented artists. (And I'm not just talking about the political ousting of Beyoncee, which is astonishingly transparent, however deserved).
I very much hope that the next such competition enlists the aid of reviewers who can post relevant, constructive criticism as to the art, rather than seeing who can get in the snarkiest, meanest one-liner, as though they were TV icons with a hardcore image to maintain. If not, then we should continue expecting the same reaction from both model and lurker. In the meantime, perhaps you moderators could hold these nameless judges to the same standard of forum conduct with which you're threatening the rest of us. Not only do they contribute to it, they provoke it in the first place, yet ironically seem unwilling to accept public criticism themselves. You sir have earned my salute! I think this is the best post i've ever read in GWG. Anyway, speaking from experience, one of the golden rules for reviewing a person's work is to not judge the character.
Jaden Stone
I really don't see where all this judge hate is comming from?
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I just read the thread front to back, and saw far more accusations of drama and flaming than actual drama and flaming. In fact, the vast majority of contestants and commentators are far more civil than they ought to be, given some of the wretched things said by the judges.
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(And I'm not just talking about the political ousting of Beyoncee, which is astonishingly transparent, however deserved).
QFT I dont know if you understand the rules of this competition and what the models have been forwarned about. They were told they would be under intense and harsh critisism. They were informed by both me and nilene that Personality did play a large factor in elimination, as it does in the show. Quote:
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hehe i am kidding, but its just a shame, i really enjoyed 1st round, not just the pics of girls in competition, but from people that were asking for advice and such..now all i can see here is 10 pages without any ss ,just pointless fights..
