Ok so right now as I type this message Im in the deep..and I took a scroll here that I obtained from exchanging only 1k luxon faction to the rewards guy in cavalon. Since the last time there was open access to the deep and urgoz These areas WERE PACKED with what I remember 6 districts each or more flooded with people. Either people don't know they can get there any time or there isn't an interest in doing them??
Do People Know they can go to The Deep Or UrgoZ
Lifeinthefridge
Chorus
You're in an American district. People usually meet in the international district for the elite missions. I don't know about The Deep, but I was in Urgoz's Warren international briefly earlier and it had plenty of people around.
Evilsod
They're probably out trying hard mode.
Zinger314
The loot now sucks in the Elite Missions. Inscriptions > Zodiac Weapons
Clone
The limited accessability to these areas contributed to their downfall. Only one out of countless alliances got to run the door. People buy games to play them, not to stand around for a half hour trying to find a taxi to a place where they can start. Even though they have now added Passage Scrolls, the nails were already in the lids of the coffins for these long ago. Also, as has been said, the loot in Nightfall is better anyway.
icymanipulator
The surge in popularity was due in no small part to the open access weekend. I myself had never bothered to enter either the Deep or Urgoz's Warren because I thought the idea of either whoring myself out to a controlling guild for membership or paying a taxi/ferry was absurd. Open access makes these areas popular HINT HINT anet!!!
Edit: Well I got beaten to that point...so I'll just say playing these areas for the challenge and personal achievement and being able to say "I killed Kanaxai/Urgoz!" was more valuable to me than any loot I could get from either mission. Want to see another surge in popularity? Open the access up with NPC's in Kaineng Center again for a weekend...they will be absolutely packed.
Edit: Well I got beaten to that point...so I'll just say playing these areas for the challenge and personal achievement and being able to say "I killed Kanaxai/Urgoz!" was more valuable to me than any loot I could get from either mission. Want to see another surge in popularity? Open the access up with NPC's in Kaineng Center again for a weekend...they will be absolutely packed.
Crazyvietguy
Agreed with above.
Also, while they are a challange, the amount of time you put out to complete it makes it less popular.
Also, while they are a challange, the amount of time you put out to complete it makes it less popular.
Navaros
Why would people wanna waste 1000 Lux/Kurz faction to go to an empty place that they won't find a party in when they can instead use that same 1000 faction for a piece of Amber or Jade that will get them a bit of gold.
Those missions should be made open to everyone on a permanent basis, as should UW/FOW. Passage scrolls are not a proper solution.
Those missions should be made open to everyone on a permanent basis, as should UW/FOW. Passage scrolls are not a proper solution.
Jwh6913
thos areas could easily be given to a god statue like the deep could go to melandru , and urgoz's could go to lyssa or dwanya
Neo Nugget
Scrolls are fine, i still dont know where everyone is lol.
Emik
That's the point...
International most of the time has people in it
International most of the time has people in it
Feathermoore Rep
Everyone that wanted to play those Elite mission, mostly likely did so during the free weekend. It was great to get to do them. But the novelty wore off. Spending 2-4 hours in a PvE mission is now reserved for DoA, which drop inscribable weapons and things that a generally worth more, like Titan gems. 
unmatchedfury
In order to keep intrest in these type of places it would be great if phophcies and factions drops became inscribable. But that won't happend anytime soo n unfortuantly. Even if it makes perfect sense for it to be so.
Hyper Cutter
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The loot now sucks in the Elite Missions. Inscriptions > Zodiac Weapons
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rohara
i think easier access to urgoz/the deep was just greatly overshadowed by HM. which might be a good thing, tbh, as HM gives more PvE'ers a taste of challenge and prepares them a bit for urgoz/the deep. might lead to more people becoming interested in such a challenge, and perhaps lead to better groups in said areas.
wishful thinking though, perhaps. i'd just once like to hop into urgoz and not have to wait an hour+ to form a full group.
wishful thinking though, perhaps. i'd just once like to hop into urgoz and not have to wait an hour+ to form a full group.
bilateralrope
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i think easier access to urgoz/the deep was just greatly overshadowed by HM. which might be a good thing, tbh, as HM gives more PvE'ers a taste of challenge and prepares them a bit for urgoz/the deep. might lead to more people becoming interested in such a challenge, and perhaps lead to better groups in said areas.
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If yes, does anyone know if completing them is actually possible on HM ?
Neo Nugget
Yes the elite missions do have hard mode. Dunno if they have actually been completed. But it would be nice to get 6 bows or weapons instead of 6. Or better yet 12 weps.
Zorglubb
Urgoz/Deep = boring grind with no good rewards
The final greens weren't so good in the beginning, and since Nightfall, they're just no good stats-wise. Also the Zodiac skin has long fallen out of fashion.
The final greens weren't so good in the beginning, and since Nightfall, they're just no good stats-wise. Also the Zodiac skin has long fallen out of fashion.
Sofonisba
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Yes the elite missions do have hard mode. Dunno if they have actually been completed. But it would be nice to get 6 bows or weapons instead of 6. Or better yet 12 weps.
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In fact, one of the Darknesses did not drop any greens, just a silly white Tall Shield lol.
Twas fun though!
strcpy
Because 1000 faction isn't free - I would *much* rather have the jadeite or amber.
I was there on the free weekend, might be if they ran another. Having hard mode makes it even more worthless. The only two "elite" missions I care about are the UW and FoW - I would care about DoA but no henchies and no solo builds I am good enough to run. Even then I rarely go to the UW or FoW due to the cost. Until the recent farming scale I, personally, made about the same (since I am personally not the greatest 55 farmer - I like to farm and watch TV and that isn't enough focus on what is going on to survive). There are things they could do to change that, but most likely it isn't going to happen.
With the newer loot system I'll probably farm UW when I need money, other than that I have ToPK and hard mode to fool with if I want a challenge or to group farm. If they would ever allow hench in DoA I would add that in.
I was there on the free weekend, might be if they ran another. Having hard mode makes it even more worthless. The only two "elite" missions I care about are the UW and FoW - I would care about DoA but no henchies and no solo builds I am good enough to run. Even then I rarely go to the UW or FoW due to the cost. Until the recent farming scale I, personally, made about the same (since I am personally not the greatest 55 farmer - I like to farm and watch TV and that isn't enough focus on what is going on to survive). There are things they could do to change that, but most likely it isn't going to happen.
With the newer loot system I'll probably farm UW when I need money, other than that I have ToPK and hard mode to fool with if I want a challenge or to group farm. If they would ever allow hench in DoA I would add that in.
Das Hip
Au Contraire, I think 'inscribable everywhere' weapons are coming soon enough (to Cantha and Tyria)... They're probably waiting until the new Guildwars (GW: EotN) comes out though, to keep everyone buying Nightfall (the main reasons right now only being Heros and inscribeables)
As has been said, the busyness before was likely due to free-access weekends.
Personally though I've never had a problem getting into the deep at any time for free or next to nothing so I don't really see what the problem is... Keeping these places accessible via controlling alliances actually makes getting faction worth something for Uber-Alliances/Guilds.. Why take that away and destroy a large part of the Factions mechanic??
As has been said, the busyness before was likely due to free-access weekends.
Personally though I've never had a problem getting into the deep at any time for free or next to nothing so I don't really see what the problem is... Keeping these places accessible via controlling alliances actually makes getting faction worth something for Uber-Alliances/Guilds.. Why take that away and destroy a large part of the Factions mechanic??
Kas
What killed the Deep and Urgoz for me were the Cookie Cutter Builds. Oh what fun it was to try and get a party going WITHOUT a boredom trapper. You would have to wait two plus hours. Two plus hours filled with bitching, flaming and wannabe smartasses thinking that you can't complete it without a trapper.
And everytime I went with a trapper, I came to hate them even more. The whole Party stands there staring holes into the wall, doing nothing while the Trappers do their stuff. The monsters rush in, die, woohay. Let's trap the next mob. Ironically in those instances were the trapper luckily err7'd the remaining team was three times as fast without them. But well, try getting an Urgoz Team started without a Trapper in it. :X
And what killed the Deep for me is the one most annoying environmental effect ever introduced. It atleast tells me why there is a mental in environmental. Because this single effect was utterly retarded and frustrating. Guessed its name? Yep, scorpion aspect.
And everytime I went with a trapper, I came to hate them even more. The whole Party stands there staring holes into the wall, doing nothing while the Trappers do their stuff. The monsters rush in, die, woohay. Let's trap the next mob. Ironically in those instances were the trapper luckily err7'd the remaining team was three times as fast without them. But well, try getting an Urgoz Team started without a Trapper in it. :X
And what killed the Deep for me is the one most annoying environmental effect ever introduced. It atleast tells me why there is a mental in environmental. Because this single effect was utterly retarded and frustrating. Guessed its name? Yep, scorpion aspect.
icymanipulator
Steel Walling the Deep was one of the most enjoyable playing experiences I have ever had in Guildwars. If you ran it ad nauseum just to wrack up loot/money then you can have my pity, you missed out on the finer details and challenge of the area. I don't think I've ever felt the same feeling of accomplishment after defeating Kanaxai/Urgoz in any other part of this game even after running cart/prot and doing all quests etc. I won't even try to argue the fact that the new shiny things pull away interest from older parts of the game. DoA is nothing but a slugfest for money/loot, the only cool thing was the beast of arrggh...please anet do something about the elitist ts/vent crowd...no other elite zone REQUIRES their use...its absolutely absurd!
Pakana
I for sure didn't know you can enter there with scrolls now!
But to buy 1000 faction points scroll to end up to an empty district is not too attractive at all.
I vote the restricted elite areas the stupidest game planning decision in Guild Wars. Never used a taxi either, that was just... utterly lame.
I've suggested before, and do it again: transport the winning Ft. Aspenwood team to Deep or Urgoz. Or maybe have access to those places from the farthest Luxon/Kurzick cities for free... Use some imagination dev team for love of Dwayna! If people would find out these places (and get there reasonably cheap), there might be more people in there. I'm guessing some touch on these areas drop/reward-wise is out of the question?
Still, having the scrolls is a step to the right decision. I'm pretty close at saying: nicely done!
But to buy 1000 faction points scroll to end up to an empty district is not too attractive at all.
I vote the restricted elite areas the stupidest game planning decision in Guild Wars. Never used a taxi either, that was just... utterly lame.
I've suggested before, and do it again: transport the winning Ft. Aspenwood team to Deep or Urgoz. Or maybe have access to those places from the farthest Luxon/Kurzick cities for free... Use some imagination dev team for love of Dwayna! If people would find out these places (and get there reasonably cheap), there might be more people in there. I'm guessing some touch on these areas drop/reward-wise is out of the question?
Still, having the scrolls is a step to the right decision. I'm pretty close at saying: nicely done!
TheRaven
I have to agree that most people still don't realize they are open. I was in House Zu Heltzer last night and an alliance member was spamming non-stop "ferrying to Warren 500g". I also saw several others spamming "ferry needed!!!" non-stop. (Don't ask me why they didn't hook up with the first guy. I have no clue. Too expensive maybe?")
Anyways, I typed several times, "no ferry needed. missions are open. Talk to Kurzick Bureaucrat!!" and got several replies that I didn't know what I was talking about. One guy said "I'm going to warren, dumbazz. You need a ferry to get there". I told him again that you didn't, and was called a stupid noob. I just laughed and left. In hindsight, I should have charged him a fee, ferried him and left.
Anyways, I typed several times, "no ferry needed. missions are open. Talk to Kurzick Bureaucrat!!" and got several replies that I didn't know what I was talking about. One guy said "I'm going to warren, dumbazz. You need a ferry to get there". I told him again that you didn't, and was called a stupid noob. I just laughed and left. In hindsight, I should have charged him a fee, ferried him and left.
Skyy High
I'm gonna go with the "People don't know" theory. 1k faction is fine for access; people were suggesting that a long while ago. Plus, what are the prices of amber and jade nowadays, 500g each? If you're trying to get the most value for your faction, 1k spent to get into an elite mission with its drops and such seems much more valuable than one piece of amber or jade.
Plus, you only need one person in your guild/alliance to get there, and then they can ferry everyone else in from the guild hall, unless they closed that trick.
Plus, you only need one person in your guild/alliance to get there, and then they can ferry everyone else in from the guild hall, unless they closed that trick.
=HT=Ingram
I always thought the two people SHOULD be in the divine path with everyone else at the end of Factions. That way if people wanted to go to the staging area they could really easily, but not be a complete giveaway. This would not effect taxis or alliance rights, but would make it so there is more people in the staging area on occasion.
In any case I personally didn't like the factions elites very much. Except for the 12 party formation. which was the best thing about it.
This was obnoxiously missing in the DoA Elite area. as such made the area even more difficult to COMPLETE. Not farm, but complete. And like DoA with all the room effects it was just annoying to be in. Not impossible to finish just annoying to have area effects that hit you but never your enemy.
I figure eventually they will add scrolls like the fissure and UW scrolls for urgos and the deep. that will allow more people in there as well. But that is prob a few weeks away before they realize that simple solution. We will see...
In any case I personally didn't like the factions elites very much. Except for the 12 party formation. which was the best thing about it.
This was obnoxiously missing in the DoA Elite area. as such made the area even more difficult to COMPLETE. Not farm, but complete. And like DoA with all the room effects it was just annoying to be in. Not impossible to finish just annoying to have area effects that hit you but never your enemy.
I figure eventually they will add scrolls like the fissure and UW scrolls for urgos and the deep. that will allow more people in there as well. But that is prob a few weeks away before they realize that simple solution. We will see...