This may be a noob question, but I haven't had any elite tomes drop yet and was wondering, if you use one and you're level 20, do you get the 5k xp bonus, or just learn the skill?
If you don't get the xp bonus, I would stick with cap sigs personally. But that's just me.
Skill Tomes or Skill Trainer?
Kaleban
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Originally Posted by Kaleban
This may be a noob question, but I haven't had any elite tomes drop yet and was wondering, if you use one and you're level 20, do you get the 5k xp bonus, or just learn the skill?
If you don't get the xp bonus, I would stick with cap sigs personally. But that's just me. |
Muspellsheimr
I would guess the skill tombs will settle at about 1k each, because they do not require skill points to use.
Elite tombs will probably be about 5k each, because it is nice not to chase after obscure elites (AotL, Evicerate, FoC, ect.)
Elite tombs will probably be about 5k each, because it is nice not to chase after obscure elites (AotL, Evicerate, FoC, ect.)
Melon
Normal tomes at 1k MAX an d elites at 5k MAX, i could go with that, anythig else is just not reasonable. But then it's a personal preference and i can't do anything about the market prices really.
Zorglubb
Elite Skill tomes kinda cheapen the Skill Hunter title track. No longer does it mean having had to go to far away place to kill elusive bosses like Maw the Mountain Heart...
arcanemacabre
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Originally Posted by Muspellsheimr
I would guess the skill tombs will settle at about 1k each, because they do not require skill points to use.
Elite tombs will probably be about 5k each, because it is nice not to chase after obscure elites (AotL, Evicerate, FoC, ect.) |
Now, normal tomes? They're great if you run across one adventuring, since it's basically finding a free skill as a drop. Buying one? The only reason I'd see for this is like Muspellsheimr said, it won't use up a skill point. Also, if you don't feel like unlocking a skill you can only get late game in Prophecies or Nightfall (since just about everything is available early in Factions), it could be of mild use for that, too.
Otherwise, I'd suggest not bothering with buying/selling normal tomes. Just a waste of cash/time.
Iuris
I think the primary use of tomes will be quick outfitting of a new character with all the skills he/she needs.
I know my newborn monk will be happy for a tome or two to get the skills he can't have yet due to lack of skill points. It may be only a difference of two hours of play, but it's the two most troublesome hours, too.
Also, can an elite tome grant access to an elite before the signet of capture quests? If it can, that would mean you can have an elite days earlier than usual.
I know my newborn monk will be happy for a tome or two to get the skills he can't have yet due to lack of skill points. It may be only a difference of two hours of play, but it's the two most troublesome hours, too.
Also, can an elite tome grant access to an elite before the signet of capture quests? If it can, that would mean you can have an elite days earlier than usual.
bungusmaximus
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Originally Posted by Zorglubb
Elite Skill tomes kinda cheapen the Skill Hunter title track. No longer does it mean having had to go to far away place to kill elusive bosses like Maw the Mountain Heart...
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ichigo_panty
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Elite tombs help in achieving survivor title as well. Think of a lv 5 ranger running himself through the tryia with escape. Or a monk in some <lv10 area with WoH, LoD, SoR.
WildmouseX
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Elite Skill tomes kinda cheapen the Skill Hunter title track. No longer does it mean having had to go to far away place to kill elusive bosses like Maw the Mountain Heart...
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zwei2stein
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Not true.
I just visited the Kamadan skill trainer to prove my point. I was on my ranger, and even though I have an UAX account, I'm looking at no more than 10 Beast Mastery skills. Ten, that's the core skills plus the Nightfall skills. I'm going to have to travel to Lion's Arch to buy Prophecies skills, and to Kaineng City if I want some Factions skills. If you want your newborn Elonian Elementalist to kill those pesky level 2 juvenile blade termites on the Plains of Jarin with Meteor Showers, you're going to draw a blank at the skill trainer in Kamadan. You'll need an Elementalist Tome. |
Also there is this scenario:
"LFG"
(PM) "Can you be build xyz that requires this elite at secodnary (you never though about capping)"
takes appropriate elite tome from storage, uses it: "Yeah"
"You are in."
If you really have to have elite right now to fit party build, you can't just say brb in 30 minutes.
Emik
It's ridiculous that people wanna pay up to that much in order to get a skill.
Being a Legendary Skill Hunter from before the tome era i can assure you i was pleased having capped all skills
It actually makes you feel worthy at some point.
Never the less it's amazing how people yet again try to take a normal thing too far and set the tone.
Capitalism found its way to GW long time ago but it's not always the best way to go.
Being a Legendary Skill Hunter from before the tome era i can assure you i was pleased having capped all skills
It actually makes you feel worthy at some point.
Never the less it's amazing how people yet again try to take a normal thing too far and set the tone.
Capitalism found its way to GW long time ago but it's not always the best way to go.
Lauryn
Personally I just keep all the ones I find, never know when you might need them 
noblepaladin
They should put the tomes at the rare scroll trader, that would stabilize the prices quickly.
Coridan
well i spent 15k on an Elite Warrior Tome...and have never been happier...I finally capped Evis on my PVE warrior....could have done it numerous times in the mission but just never got around to it....also bought and Elite Rit tome for 12k to get VWK and I consider it money well spent....27k to get to Elite skills that I want....in less than 20 mins.....where as it would have taken me a few hours to get them the normal way....I only get to play maybe an hour or so on weekdays and 2 hours a day on weekends...so yes I see these prices staying High as the "reward" is quite high.
Pizza Delivery
I don't understand what people are thinking. Tomes only work to give you a skill if you already have the skill unlocked. For example, I have a character with every Elite skill in the game. If I started a new character and wanted it to have a specific elite skill I can create that character, get the tome out of storage and use it to get the skill.
HOWEVER, A brand new player who has never played before and has no unlocked skills can't use a tome. He's got some capping and learning ahead of him to do. His later characters can use the tome though.
HOWEVER, A brand new player who has never played before and has no unlocked skills can't use a tome. He's got some capping and learning ahead of him to do. His later characters can use the tome though.
WildmouseX
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HOWEVER, A brand new player who has never played before and has no unlocked skills can't use a tome. He's got some capping and learning ahead of him to do. His later characters can use the tome though.
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kazjun
Who cares? If people are willing to give you money for them, just sell them the tome and be glad for the quick cash. Enjoy it while it lasts, cause the prices will only go down.
wilebill
Think I've found one tome since they were introduced. At the present drop rate, they will not affect me one way or the other.
Radiuju
Maybe some people like the idea of getting out of Pre-Searing and instantly becoming a WOH monk or MM? =)
makosi
People pay a lot for 'new' items which I find strange. I sold about 6 Elite tomes from 10-15k whereas I think they're worth 3k max.
1k for the Signet of Capture, 1k for the convenience of not havign to cap and 1k as a little backhander for the salesperson.
Reality will set in eventually and they'll come down to a reasonble price. Ordinary Tomes can be sold for up 3k each right now but you might as well go and buy the skill from the trainer.
From a seller's point-of-view, ignorance is bliss.
1k for the Signet of Capture, 1k for the convenience of not havign to cap and 1k as a little backhander for the salesperson.
Reality will set in eventually and they'll come down to a reasonble price. Ordinary Tomes can be sold for up 3k each right now but you might as well go and buy the skill from the trainer.
From a seller's point-of-view, ignorance is bliss.
J3mo
`Some people don't have skill points left, then they're nice
bungusmaximus
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`Some people don't have skill points left, then they're nice
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cyberjanet
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(3) Anybody paying more than 1k for a regular tome is an idiot.
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ValaOfTheFens
I dunno. Its only once you UAX do Skill Tomes even come into play. If you get Elite Tomes from bosses then why not just fight the boss with the elite you want, cap it, and get some exp. *shrug* I like the exp as much as I like getting the elite.
unienaule
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Originally Posted by ValaOfTheFens
why not just fight the boss with the elite you want
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ValaOfTheFens
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Maybe because you want to get Feast of Corruption and not have to go to Dreadnaught's Drift or rely on a random chance spawn somewhere else?
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Nekretaal
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Think I've found one tome since they were introduced. At the present drop rate, they will not affect me one way or the other.
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While some people have argued that they may nonetheless settle at a value of over 1k, I would imagine that the total number of players who (1) have acess to hard mode, (2) have unlock-all usefull skills, (3) start a new character in a game other than factions, and (4) dont want to wait until they finish the noob area to get skills.... I would suggest that population is quite small... I bet it's the hard-core "low level pvp" addicts and few others.
Guildmaster Cain
Paying 1k for a normal tome is still cheaper then buying it at a Skill Trainer, since it costs 1k + 1 Skill Point. Still 1k seems too much for any smart buyer.
Tomes sell for 500g to merchant, so people offering 600g for buying them aint much smarter then then 1k sellers. 750g seems to be the nices price for both. But as said above, the market will probably get flooded by them soon. I myself wouldnt waste time to get 100g more from a real player, just sell to merchant and quickly continue enjoying the game, instead of shouting my lungs out WTS.
Elite tomes, the price people pay depends on how hard they need it. Some elites are really hard to capture, taking 1-2 hrs to get to that specific boss, though fortunately these bosses are rare. Especially for moneybags/online moneybuyers, money doesnt mean much to them, so paying up to 30k for 2 hrs less grinding is welcome for them.
Tomes sell for 500g to merchant, so people offering 600g for buying them aint much smarter then then 1k sellers. 750g seems to be the nices price for both. But as said above, the market will probably get flooded by them soon. I myself wouldnt waste time to get 100g more from a real player, just sell to merchant and quickly continue enjoying the game, instead of shouting my lungs out WTS.
Elite tomes, the price people pay depends on how hard they need it. Some elites are really hard to capture, taking 1-2 hrs to get to that specific boss, though fortunately these bosses are rare. Especially for moneybags/online moneybuyers, money doesnt mean much to them, so paying up to 30k for 2 hrs less grinding is welcome for them.
Corinthian
Spoil Victor for a level 1 Necromancer:
No tome:
-Complete Factions until you reach Silent Surf or Mourning Veil Falls
Tome:
-Select the skill and click Learn.
Hmm... Tough choice... If all you have to do is give an hour worth of gold from farming to some lucky guy who has one of those tomes...
No tome:
-Complete Factions until you reach Silent Surf or Mourning Veil Falls
Tome:
-Select the skill and click Learn.
Hmm... Tough choice... If all you have to do is give an hour worth of gold from farming to some lucky guy who has one of those tomes...
Ozric
Well if I can't get at 1.5k for a reg. tome then I'll usually just sell to the merchant instead of killing time trying to sell it for less. I'll usually wait till I have around 10 of them and spam them all in a one liner.
I think the drop rate is a bit generous on these things though. I'm always surprised to see how many I've ended up with after an evening of doing most anything in pve.
I think the drop rate is a bit generous on these things though. I'm always surprised to see how many I've ended up with after an evening of doing most anything in pve.
SpeedyKQ
I'm surprised so many PVE'ers would have the balthazar faction to unlock the skill first, to be able to use the book. Maybe there are more hybrid PVE/PVP players out there than I thought.
I'm stockpiling all of my tomes for GWEN, so if there are any good skills you don't normally get right away, I won't have to wait for them.
I'm stockpiling all of my tomes for GWEN, so if there are any good skills you don't normally get right away, I won't have to wait for them.
applejacks
The other great thing about elite tombs that may make them pricey, is also the fact that in Nightfall, some skills only appear during a specific quest or after compelting a quest. Jagged Bones for instance. Easy to get during the quest, but once that quest is gone you can get it only at the end of a large irritating area. Then there is Toxic Chill which you only get after a particular quest is done. And so on. Not sure if it is still like this, but it was at the time.
I completed the quest with Jagged Bones, realised I forgot the sig of capture and by then it was too late....
I completed the quest with Jagged Bones, realised I forgot the sig of capture and by then it was too late....
WildmouseX
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I'm surprised so many PVE'ers would have the balthazar faction to unlock the skill first, to be able to use the book. Maybe there are more hybrid PVE/PVP players out there than I thought.
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Bruce Leeroy
I am UAX and I plan to make a new monk to go for legendary survivor. I have a few elite monk tomes, a handful of regular monk tomes, and 1 derv tome. The elite monk tome is priceless to me because I dont have to go all the way to Mineral Springs to get SoJ. For this type of new character I would definetly pay the higher price for tomes. For a veteran characters, they would probably use skill points and cap sigs.
Stockpiling the tomes for the release of GW:EN. I most likely will take my skill capping character through first and unlock the elites and use the tomes on the harder elite caps (edit) for the following characters.
Stockpiling the tomes for the release of GW:EN. I most likely will take my skill capping character through first and unlock the elites and use the tomes on the harder elite caps (edit) for the following characters.
Evilsod
Put some effort in and get the skills yourself.
Sell all the damn tomes at the ridiculously over-inflated prices and make a fortune.
Sell all the damn tomes at the ridiculously over-inflated prices and make a fortune.
Scythe Of Thunder
i keep my stock of non-elite tomes in my inventory for those annoying times when you dont have some random skill unlocked on a character to stop the hassle of searching out a skill trainer. Elite tomes i would sell as i would rather go out and cap the skill (with the exception of some of the skills that hard to get such as FoC)
Neo Nugget
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Put some effort in and get the skills yourself.
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VitisVinifera
I'm looking forward to opening up every fire normal and elite skill on my ele mule in shing jea who has not done a single quest. I've been doing event-only quests and got her to level 8 or so. So it'll be kinda fun mowing down the Shing Jea quests.
Also I have 2 necros, each skilled differently, so it'll be nice to match them up. Also, my Warrior has all elites capped for the title, so I can outfit any of my other chars.
I see value in these tomes for the above reasons, and I only sell ones I can't possibly use myself.
Also I have 2 necros, each skilled differently, so it'll be nice to match them up. Also, my Warrior has all elites capped for the title, so I can outfit any of my other chars.
I see value in these tomes for the above reasons, and I only sell ones I can't possibly use myself.
LifeInfusion
EVERYONE here misses the fact that some people may have bought PvP unlock packs. As such, they can't go "buy" or "cap" the skills.