Amount Explored Box

I have only a few words....

/SIGNED

Not Signed!

the title is easy enough to get as it is... it also brings up issues of what to do with the arena areas... or what about the fact that there is a bit of leeway in the title...

why clutter up the map just because you are lazy about trying to get another title... -- One of the main reasons i explored so much was because i wanted a clean map.

oh yea and btw i am a legendary cartographer -- with a mesmer

/signed

I've had 0.4% to go on Elona for too long and i really can't be bothered scraping EVERY area to find it

Well then, you should not be bothered with the responsibility of an additional maxed title.

sry to be harsh but i c/n think of a better way of saying it...

i have been working onthis stuff for 2 years now still have yet to get title for any maxed out
tyrian i have 98.7% i knew there areas infireislands i have yet just been tolazy to do the missions to get rest(but they are very small dont htinkits what all i need)
factions im at 94.2 have not tried to hard i can see lots there
elonia im at 95.8 but this is the one pissing me off i look at 100% maps and theres areas that are not onthere i have but there is no area i dont have . with this i know its all about hugginf sides that give .001 lol on all areas that will add up just where to start form i have been doing hard mode vanqishing slowly so hopefully i will get it all 100%

but this ideal is good been thinking about it alot over the last months time it would help alot but still make it time comsuing


/signed

If your having problems finding areas you need, when comparing maps, then ask for help.

There are countless threads on this website, that offer help with comparing maps. I used them and they helped alot.

I say go for it. Having done this already and knowing what a pain it is i say good idea. will prevent many a person from freaking out and breaking something.

/signed

How was THAT not cheating on title?

The way i see it, if you companre maps out of game or have other compare them for you, it's not diffenrent from game showing you where you miss spot.

IF anything, it would be way less cheating.

Why? If you get maps compared, player who compared it will tell you where exactly you have to go.

On the other hand, if all you knew is % you would still have to find that spot yourself.

% Would remove one of most stupid things about mapping: Re-entering already explored areas.

You still have to wallhug manually everything anyway, knowing that you are wallhugging right areas makes all your walhugging of already explored areas pointless and wasted, true, but it was pointless and wasted to begin with.

Ive had this discusson with someone on here already, so im going to keep it short....

Comparing maps = using your head, your intelligent, your inititive, resources, time and effort. It shows you willing to put outside effort into exploring.

% marks on screen = nothing. It shows you can read some numbers on screen.

Simple! Their both cheating, but ones a lesser evil and one shows a willingness to put some effort in.

You'l probably disagree, but im not getting into it.

This is quite a nice idea.
/Singed
But I say make the box subtle or removable so it won't annoy those whom it means nothing to.

The vanquisher box doesn't tell you how many you are missing. And finding a red spot on your mini map is way easier than finding the last missing spot of the map. The titles are very different in nature. Vanquisher tests you as a fighter, the explorer as someone with patience and dedication. The box showing how enemies you've slain doesn't take away the challenge from the fighting, but a box telling you how much youve explored would take away from the challenge of exploring.


What comes to my agreeing or disagreeing with this, I'm not too sure if this should somehow be visible to players. (For the reference, I am a 100% explorer in Tyria. I had over 95% even before titles were put in the game) I wouldn't personally want a new box to my bar when I've got enough enchantments, hexes, conditions, preparations and what not to. Also i wouldn't like the players to have the possibility to ctrl-click spam their percantage. An alternative idea might be to show this on the large map under the are names. Just some sort of mark if the area has been 100% explored or not, not the exact percantage.

Btw, I think that showing the number correctly would require ANet to tweak their system. I don't think that the system currently recognises which spots of map belong to which area. And how about spots that can be explored from multiple areas? Would thy be included to the totl of all those areas?

I already wrote this in the Cantha explorer thread.

I have only 1 GMC (Cantha, needed for KoBD) and I find the way exploration is designed simply frustrating.

There's no way "in game" to know at what point you are and what you need to do to achieve the title (unlike all of other titles).
The "fog" system is crap, for several points of the map you don't know if what you see is fog of texture.
Some small areas can be unfogged standing only in some precise spots and with the mouse oriented in the right direction.

The only way to realistically be able to obtain it is by using external resources, as those available on websites. I did, but to me that's cheating.

I started to go after this title together with a friend, he stopped when he was at 95% because he soon realized that it was pure stupidity to go on, I finished and at the end I felt an idiot nerd.

We should have in game and not from websites something that makes us aware of what we need to do to complete the exploration.

The % indicator is a good idea. /Signed.

And about the fact that existing GMCs will be screwed because the title could become less frustrating and nerdish to achieve, I can't care less, we all cheated to get it.

I absolutely agree that we need some kind of training, or information somewhere to educate people about how exploration should be done.

Alot of people get frustrated with exploration because they believe the stigmata surrounding it. They believe the rubbish about it being "easy".

Then they start, and get to about 80%-90% and soon realise its not and that it takes dedication and a stress-ball.

But because they went into it, with this "ah this wont take long" mentality, they start to complain.

We need some kind of NPC exploration trainers, who can make people explore areas of training zones. It would have to be challenging mind to show its not easy.

If they had that experience, and it was a tough, then it would widen their eyes as to how hard it can be.

But because there is nothing like that, and all we hear is "exploration is easy", people start it to get an "easy" 3 max titles. The result is we get people asking for % marks.

But I wouldnt shrug off those of us who already have legendary cartographer. Your not going to get many votes doing that.

by that definition: Its cheating to look up on wiki to find out where a collector is... or what boss drops a green you want...

the cheating stuph is a red herring... people before you cleared the maps some how... kill all monsters on a map... walk around the edge of a map... (note: what direction you are facing matters) it is possible with or without getting help form other people...

1. The cartographer titles are easy to get, specially now with normal mode...
2. What little challenge there is would be eliminated

IMHO strategy games should not be mind less and easy

/signed

the whole idea of this title as it is is silly imo

/signed

as for the I did it you can too people. I dont really give a rats a$$ what you did I am sick of all of you weather it be on this or topic or anything else. you all seem to be some what delusional in the idea that anything in game matters. like somehow you will be able to put KoBD on your Resume and your employer will say now there is a dedicated worker he goes out of his way to get the job done. well I got news for you that may be the way you look at it but in the real world if you put that along with the 2 paragraph explanition of what it means. the employer will look at that and say oh great a video game geek, probably have to watch this one to make sure he isnt surfing porn on the company t3.

Something I keep seeing over and over is people saying use the alt tab to compare to a 100% map. Well its good to know that your computer will do that. Personally when I first started playing GW if I tried to alt tab out I would go out then guild wars would crash.

Yet I know what you would say to that as well "upgrade your computer" Ive seem you people say that over and over in responce to everything from Im having lag issues to I cant run vent and GW at the same time.

maybe if you weren't so absorbed in your own leetness you would be able to comprehiend one grain of compassion and understanding for someone who might not have time to play or someone who's computer just barlely runs guild wars in the first place.

also the arguement that it will make all my hard work worthless. no it wont becasue those who give a damn about your title will talk to you about it and you can say I did it the hard way. and those like myself who don't care wont bother you.

if you think this will ruin your title think of the people who got lvl 20 in pre by lvling 1-2 moas at a time those people spent hundreds and hundreds of hours on that they worked their asses off to get that title. And what happened someone discovered death-lvling whole GROUPS of char north of the wall now it doesn't take near as long to get it I haven't seen any of them complaining to remove those char or otherwise remove the easier way.

or how about the people who played drunk with post process effects turned off to get the drunkard title until someone firugred out the timeing on zoning to get the most effective use out of it.

or the 55ers who solo vanquish while the rest of us have to party and work hard for it.

or the people who spent big bucks and afked for entire weekends to get lucky and unlucky titles which can now be gotten by use of lock picks

or look back on the history of UW at first there were groups going down
then there was the 55/SS teams
then came the 55necro solo
then came the E/mo ~ E/me

troll farming used to be a solo 55 thing
then warriors figured it out
then others made builds
and now there is a Ele build that can kill the trolls in 20 seconds

same thing with minos

bottom line is people will always find ways of making things easier.

Think back to the first person to get FoW armor and what hell they must have went through to get it.
compare that to before the griffen nerf people were making millions of gold off of it and just buying everything from the merch to get FoW

did that devalue the first guys FoW armor. maybe but oh well perhaps who ever that was should get a special gold plated set.

As I sit here typing this I find myself hoping that someone will read it and think about it. however as much as I know this might happen I figure the more likly responce to this will be either someone pointing out my bad spelling or quoting small points and picking them and judging the post on a hole by that or some other such bs.

basically the only reason I am going ahead with posting this is because at this point its too long to simply trash and maybe just maybe someone will read it and get over themselves enough to be happy that somoene else didnt have to go through the hell that they did insead of whining about it.

if you don't think the title matters then why would you bother to sign this thread?

im sry you are having issues with your computer. there are other threads here to help with these issues... also you could try submitting a guild wars support ticket for specific problems.

call me whatever names you want... but it will not inspire me to give you compassion.

that is not my argument... i am saying the game will become too easy and strategy games should not be that simple... -life is not fair... rewards should be earned -deal with it.

i don't understand you again you say the title does not matter... nobody is forcing you to complete 100% exploration... if you don't like the title don't go for it...

um... death leveling char was faster/easier...

it is not easy to get that much beer... what do i care if they learn how to drink it faster? i still respect the effort and $ needed to complete the title.

if you can 55 solo vanquish an area i give you some mad respect...

i respect the cash as it is not that easy to get...(except those people that ebay their cash, but that's another thread) the lucky and unlucky titles were only available to achieve during holiday events... i like the fact that you can now earn the titles for the rest of the year...(as i have noted in another thread)

i think its cool that people can come up with these builds... it shows that the game is still evolving and progressing.

yup.. i don't disagree with you there... however i think that people should not make all things easier.

FoW armor meh... i think the ancient armor looks better but i guess it depends on your char class

all part of the game -life is not fair...

also note: it was easier then and more difficult now i don't have an issue with that...

well first off there is no way to do this... how can you determin that people got their money the hard way?

second... it might be cool to see gold plated sets of armor but i think you should have to work for them...

well i hope i have shown you that i have thought about your ideas and words. i have not taken anything out of context(correct me if i'm wrong).

i don't care about bad spelling or other such bs...

i'm happy just to get into a good argument. -as i have said before, the cartographer titles are easy -not hell

alright first I wanna say WOOT for reading thought and arguements without flames (this is not sarcasm it is a thank you for intelligence)

Just because I dont think it matters as a social point does not mean it isn't something to strive for. I only display my light bringer title because it helps in fighting.

Actually in this case I did infact upgrade my computer personally I can run... alot while playing gw but there are others who cannot thanks however for taking the time to offer direction in this matter

as near as I can tell the only name I called you was leet ... and to many that would be considdered a compliment however the context I used it in was inteded to be dirogetory.


if you have in game % counter that will tell you if you have a completed area if not then you alt tab to a 100% map and compare you still have to visit the area to find out what you are missing. I am not sure if it will nessasarly make it easier faster yes but easier I might debate that (unless they post your % on the world map then Id go for easier) However I fail see to see the lvl of strategy involved in running in a zone to uncover the entire map.

Again I point out that while I do not see it as important or nessasaary it is something extra to do (kinda like a side quest unimportant yet fun to do)

if you are agreeing with me that the char is the fasterand eaiser way to go then what do you see as the difference between an easier/faster way of doing that and an easeir faster way of getting cart.

if you are questioning my statement there is a thread right here on this forum that explains it in detain and says right in it that it is faster

Again you seem to be backing my point here why would it matter if its faster you still have to survive to uncover those places on the map and find them.

personally I have not however a guild mate of mine has his link

and again you are all for the faster easier way of doing something

once more you seem to be all for someone coming up with an idea that made life easier and faster to do a long an tedious task

but you have stated over and over that you do in fact like the new and faster ways

Visual preferance is one thing however there is no denying the difficulty of getting FoW armor

so why the problam with making cart easier?

the first person who ever got fow armor Im sure worked VERY hard for it.

altho I think you may have missed my meaning on a few points I do thank you for taking the time and effort to make a intelligable responce

argument/debate = good flame = bad
Im all for debates but if/when the flames start I'm gone

/signed
sounds like a good idea to me

darkorical, all of your examples are player initiatives and in game conditions.

What every player who has any difficulty getting GMC is basically asking for is the game environment to change to assist them.

Player initiatives are already there, help checking maps. In game conditions are already there, edge every zone.

You do not need to use Necrotic Traversal or any tricks for any continent. Nor do you need any arenas.

And I guarantee you can get GMC.

I stopped reading your post after you said that. Since im the one kept saying "If everyone else can do it, you can to", then Ill assume that was aimed at me.

Example....

If you were having difficulty learning to drive, and your mates had all managed to pass, and they were saying "Come on, you'l pass eventually, just keep trying".

Would you tell them to f'off and give up, and storm off in a huff. Then ask the instructor to make it easier by making sure all the roads were clear when you do your test?

Ofcourse you wouldnt.

Would you then call your driving instructor uncaring and unconciderate because he wouldnt clear the roads for you? Grow up!

Saying "I dont care if others have done it, I want it made easier" is completely childish. Why should Anet take time out of their busy schedule, to impliment a system like that just because your lazey?

And what is with this belief that if you have Grandmaster cartographer or legendary Cartographer that your a L33t player?

I am not a l33t player, and stop making such stupid statements suggesting that I and other explorers are. You dont need to be a L33t player to get 100% using the existing system.

We dont all spend 24/7 of your lives exploring. We dont all live inside GWs and have magical powers that make exploration easier.

I for one, only play GWs when I have nothing else to do. I would much rather be down the pub, with my mates getting drunk.

It took me close to a year to explore 100% of Tyria and it was damn hard work. It was frustrating, and I came close to giving up most of the time. Yet what did I do? I kept going, I didnt winge about % marks. I used maps and my intelligence.

It took a damn long time, but I got there. Cantha and Elona were only easier and took less time, due to my experience exploring Tyria. I had learnt patience and how to do it.

Stop with these rediculious statements calling anyone that has 100% l33t, arrogant and uncaring. You're the one who is too lazey to work for the title, and wants little % marks to make your life easier.

There is no need to go calling those of us with 100% just because we're trying to help you. We're trying to make you realise that all it takes is hard work and time. We've mentioned countless times, that methods exist to help you out.

Ofcourse it wont be done within a matter of days. It could take months, like it did me. But what did you expect when you started exploring?

Did you honestly think it was going to be a walk in the park? Did you honestly think it was going only take a few weeks of hugging walls?

Reality check people - its hard!

Im sorry that you listened to those rumours saying "Exploration is easy", and then started doing it and got hit hard by reality. But dont start winging and calling those who already have 100%.

The only reason you started exploring is to get an "easy" 3 max titles. It hurts when reality hits and you realise its not "easy" doesnt it!!!

God knows what you're like in an exam! "Excuse me, I thought this exam was going to be easy. I want you to make it easier, because I couldnt be bothered to revise last night."





And as for your computing barely running GWs. Turn your settings down!!!, and how does that effect exploration?

It makes me laugh. Your computer cant handle GWs (despite it not being a demanding game) so you want Anet to spend time, effort and money developing a system to display % marks? How will that make your game run any better, or make exploration any easier if your computer cant even handle it?

You dont need % marks, you need a better computer.

/signed

Excellent idea, it helps a bit in the painful process of finding out where those last unexplored bits are.

Just got it, and it wasn't easy. I say no no no no no, and fully agree with freekedoutfish. If u want this title work for it. Be resource full.

as a matter of fact it was not at all aimed at you it was aimed at all the people who said such things.

now unlike you I did read your entire post however since you didnt bother to read what I had to say I am not going to bother to respond to your points except to say that some of them are invalid

Yes, looking at two pictures and playing spot the difference is really intelligent and using your head.

% marks on screen will be making this title acheivable by working on your own without having other people do all your work.

Example.... Would you ask your driving instructor to give you your exam paper with all the answers on it for you to copy? Then why compare maps. Its cheating by your own comparison.

And why would I read a post that started off with...

If you want people to read your replies, then dont throw such mindless insults around.

Except the difference is I wouldnt ask the driving instructor to clear the roads OR ask for the answers before the test.

I did most of Tyria, cantha and elona without using maps. It was only those last tiny few bits. But even if I hadnt realised to use maps to find where I had missed, I wouldnt have started winging and complaining about exploration like a child.

I accepted (at the time) that exploration was hard, and I buckelled down and explored. I was willing to endure the months of exploring for a few hours a night. It was frustrating, but I didnt winge, I didnt make posts about % marks.

I may have used maps nearer the end when I was at around 95%, but to be honest in Tryia it didnt help that much. That method is alot more effective in cantha and elona because their smaller. In Tyria its a case of knowing you've missed a huge junk somewhere, going in and hugging walls. Because the map is so big, comparing layers doesnt work hugely well once you get to 95-99%.

But did I make endless posts about % marks and how its unfair? No!

Even if I hadnt used maps, I would have still stuck at it, because I was determined to finish the title.

Using the driving test metaphor again.
That is basically saying "I won't cheat on the first 19 out of 20 questions, which are easy questions, but when I get to the final question I am having a hard time with, sure, give me the answer so I can cheat."

Sorry, but you're kinda playing double morals there.

_Zexion

How do you think the first explorers did it? By looking at maps that no one had? No, they did it on their own, and even now you can do it on your own without looking at a map. I know I did and it only makes me feel better. Actually I feel even better when I realise how close I was to 100% before the title system was in the game.

However, I'm still not sure if this box should or should not be implemented. It would be a nice tool for those who are still thriving for the title, but it would lower the value of the title a bit. And like I previously said, a box there would just make the bar far more crowded when you have all those enchantments, hexes and conditions on you. A different method is needed. I would like something similiar to the hard mode vanquisher mark, something that shows you on the large map if you've explored the map area 100% or not.

geez... what's with all the "work" and "frustration" and "endure" and "buckelling down" and "winge" and "determined" and "it hurts when reality hits" and "exam"...

GuildWars is NOT an exam! that's what makes all the comparisons invalid.
GuildWars is a game that people play for fun.

of course the cartographer title can be done with comparing maps. but comparing maps is not at all an intellectual challenge. it's just time consuming.

if you're "freeked out" (oops pun?) for others being able to get some in game title easier than you did... grow up. and definitely go to the pub and have a drink before you go to the forums. might calm you down

You don't deserve the title if Anet dumbs it down for you.

Go out and explore the map, redo each zone if you have to.

Maybe most of those that would like Anet to coddle them should realize that some aspects of the game may not be for them.

If Hard mode is too hard, then don't do it.
If you died at level 19, then you are not a Survivor.
If you can't find the last 0.1%, then you are not a Grandmaster Cartographer.

/notsigned

If specifically for the reason that the thrill of the hunt for me was getting to 97,98 % and getting excited when I would see it go up by .1% till I hit 100%.Heck at 99.5% I would get excited just seeing a section unfog that didn't even add .1% to the title.

Add a % explored and that thrill that excitement is gone. Then it goes from woot another .1% to check map oh this area has another .1% that needs to be found.

I prefer the thrill and excitement to exploring then looking at a map and having it tell me where to explore.