Asura and the Mursaat

According to what the guild wars magazine said the main home of the Asura lies on the ravaged coast north of the fire islands. And if you research your Guild Wars lore is was past the magumma jungle were Saul D'Alessio first ran into the captial city of the mursaat. So this now begs the question. Do the mursaat and the Asura have a common link. Or do they at least know of each other. We most assume the role of the mursaat was complete after the fire islands but I would find it hard to believe that two major cities would be so close and not have either conflict or possibly an alliance.

Grant it, the asura were suppose to have been underground this entire time until the earthquakes we will be exposed to in Eyes of the North. So possible the mursaat moved into the abandon capital of the asura.

From what we know the Asura Live deep underground, the Events of EotN force them above ground and so they settle in the Tarnished coast. The Margonite City isnt near teh Tarnished coast, its near the River Ullen whihc is the river between Henge of Denravi and riverside Providence. It is possible the Mursaat live in the Tarnished coast. If such is the case a War or alliance between the two is highly likely. Only time will tell on that one (when we either have more info or when EotN is released)

However it would be more likely the Asura move into the ruins of the Mursaat city/s after the devastation the Titans caused to the Mursaat than the mursaat having had moved into Former Asura citys.

sounds like there is a good chance of mursaat in gw:en.

Still even though the Mursaat city is suppose to be the shadow that looms over the Ullen river they are also suppose to have towers that stretch to the sky, so a contact between the too seems inevitable and if it doesn't happen that would be a great stretch to avoid on the GW teams part. Plus I wouldn't consider the mursaat completely devastated they had large enough numbers to push back the charr invasion, although what probably did it to them this time was the fact that they seemed to spread themselves too thin.

well maby the musaat wnt b there im thinking the seers are a more fesable idea im not sure but didnt the seer say he was from the north? or atlest from a distant land? and it does say old friends in the magz

the old friend is Gwen. It even says that she was a child in ascalon, and it provides a picture. The seers, well no one knows anything about them except they warred the mursaat for no apparent reason, and the Asura were far below ground so they couldn't have known the mursaat.

yes but its not the idea that the Asura couldn't have known them its the possibilities of what will happen when the Asura come above ground and the mursaat well be close. It would be interesting all things considering if you look at the story of prophecies. The mursaat really weren't the bad guy. Sure they sacrificed people for what they considered the greater good. But they weren't trying to destroy the world. So maybe on a stretch of the imagination we might call the mursaat allies soon enough.

The reason they pushed back the Charr is because they are a very powerful race of spell casters and they are a very intelligent race and it wasnt them that actually pushed the Charr back it was the White mantle who did with there assisance generally without being seen. (the reason they are called the Unseen very few of the Mantle have actually seen them) And Yes there were devastated the Titans were release specifically to destroy the Mursaat and the humans (the clear threats to Abaddon) If you do Defend Droks missions you will find a great many Mursaat corpses lying around.

I do agree its more than likly we would be allied with them however also consider that the reason there race was nearly wiped out is due to our Actions, (Not to mentioned the amount of them we killed personally) Im pretty sure the Mursaat are gonna hate us for that. Any alliance between the kinds has got to get over that issue 1st which will take some time (possible during missions they will change opinion of us)

This is going to sound crazy and wacky, but ive for some time pictured a mursaat - asura relationship like this~

If anyone has seen Men in Black they know what i'm talking about.

I'd like to see the Asura using the mursaat (or what we possibly know as mursaat), as suits of armor. For one we never see any organic matter (i.e. sections of arms, hands), they seem nearly mechanical (to me at least).

Imo it would be a pretty neat twist

Just a thought though

thats crazy dude, like one side of me is totaly agreeing with u and the other side that thinks the mursaat are the most uber fantasy creatures ever is sayin no ------- way lol.

The Jade were mechanical, the Mursaat seemed quite organic. Just in their movements. Also; they leave exploitable corpses, so yeah. :P

Anyway, this quote brought something to mind;

The same can be said about the Charr. The Ascalonians warred with them for two years, and they were in conflict long before then. But in my opinion, the article on GW:EN hints that you may pick a side and ally with some Charr when it mentions they "...are torn into a civil war..." Which is doubly cool, because I'd love to have a Charr hero.

But I digress, if Charr and Humans can get along (my hypothesis; nothing in the article explicitly says they will), if only through circumstance (i.e. needing one another), then teaming up with Mursaat doesn't seem so far-fetched.

yes, but why would we team up with the charr after what they did to ascalon. some may argue that it wasnt them that decided to destroy ascalon, it was the titans, their gods that forced them to. explained in the quest given by the charr Scorch Embersipire in DoA

Humans would group with Charr for the same reason that Mursatt would group with humans. In EotN we are going against 'The Great Destroyer' chances are that everyone is going to have to group together in order to survive-which we know the Mursatt like doing anyway. And the only reason the Charr attacked humans was because Abaddon corrupted them.

I think most races we know will join forces to fight the impending doom-and keep this alliance until Guild Wars 2.

I'm pretty sure he encountered the Mursaat near the Ullen River (due to the Prophecies manual stating the River hiding something unseen and whatnot, and other places, which I cannot find ATM, that suggest this location), which you can find between Riverside and Denravi.

The TARNISHED COAST (don't know where people are getting ravaged) is, as you said, the southernmost point of Kryta, right above the Ring of Fire island chain.

I believe, since in one act of GW:EN, we will visit Norn, Asura, and Charr homelands, that we will rally them to aid us, just like in WarCraft III.

Then in GW2, the alliance, as Raiin said, will either be broken or continue (if it breaks, are we doing that alliance vs horde junk?).

According to the new developer diary at IGN, after we killed the Charr's "Gods", some Charr became heretics and began rebelling, while a bunch of Charr shaman are trying to keep the worship of Titans alive and holding their society together.

I assume in GW:EN we will team up with the rebels who doubt the Titans' power. They may also be the same group of Charr in GW2, IF they are friendly then.

Chances are the rebels will win, otherwise the Charr wouldnt be practical as a playable race in Gw2 (since we already know they are) Im sure human merchants would run away rather than sell items to a Charr walking around if the races werent at relative Peace by then

personally i agree with Pwny Ride that the murrsat are actually asuras. Asuras are a magically adpet race and technically adept so it wouldnt be out of the question for them to create jade bows and armor, since all they are is animated pieces of stone. Another point to back this up is if i do remeber in info givin the magazine told how some asuras feel that they are the rightful ruler of the underground lands and the above ground world. So considering this its not a far reach to think that a few rouge asuras used their skills to build an army to enslave the rest of the races on the surface world. Now as to if the rest of the asura gave their blessings to this is unknown, but do consider the stone summint and the delmindor dwraves.

Also on the point about the mursat leaving bodies, its possible since Risen Ashen Hulk also leave a body behind to exploit and they spawn from a monster that doesnt. So theres nothing really stopping u from using a body even if its covered in metal armor.

But the Mursaat never did try to enslave the world did they? they only tried to keep their race alive. Surely if the Mursaat were the Asura they would of just gone back underground rather than go to all the trouble of keeping the titans out.Also the prophecies told of the power behind the door of komalie that would wipe out the Mursaats race. Not the Asuras race but the Mursaats race. I think its silly to say the Mursaat are the Asura.

It would be interesting if there was any connection between the Asurian races and the Mursaat. Perhaps the two races are bitter enemys or maybe they dont know of the others presence?

the Mursaat are fully organical creatures QUOTE from wiki: The Mursaat are fleshy creatures, which means that they leave exploitable corpses and are vulnerable to bleeding, disease and poison, while Jades and Ether Seals are fleshless. This means that it would be completely impossible for the Asura to wear them as their armor, (unless they kill them and take their organs out :P).

yes the mursaat are fleshy, but that doesnt mean that the thier outside apperance couldnt be armor. You don't think that a White Mantle Knight isnt a human in armor since its covered in metal and yet leaves a fleshy body behind?

The use of the White Mantle to control Kytra and all but crush much of the open faith in the old gods is enslavement by use of faith and religon. Using others beings and faith is enslavement ne way you see it. Why not retreat underground, we don't know if any of the mursaat did try,we only know that a bunch were killed by the titans and that they were failing against them. If u were in a GVG match, ur guild and another guild were tilting to help u win the match, and another guild catches u doin that, do u run to anet and cry about it? Now applying that same thought to a group of asura posing as another race doing something that might not be supported by the ruling asura class, would u go to them crying about u getting ur ass kicked, knowing ur gonna be in trouble for what you've been doing?

Okay lets look at it from a different view.Lets describe the events of the Mursa--sorry "Asura" as they enslave Tyria.

Now we have the Asura. They appear to be a race with advanced magic and believe it their destiny to rule tyria with every other race as their subjects.

Then we have the Mursaat. One of the most mysterious races in Tyria.They are described to have a city somewere behind the Ullen River and are made entirely of spellcasters with Jade Armors as their melee support.

First you say that the Mursaat could be armors for the Asura and that the Jade Armors could of been made by the Asura. Yet the Jade Armors bare resembelence to Abbaddon and even the jade material they are made out of is seen in Abaddons gate. So why would the Asura make something resembeling Abaddon (Please no "the Asura are working for Abaddon haha i knew it!" theorys please)

So lets say the Asura built this army of Mursaat concealing themselves in fleash and armor and setting out to takeover the world....suddenly they have a problem. The Flameseeker Prophecies tell of the end of their race! but wait a second...the Mursaat are not a race...they are a deception - a disguise for an underground race of 2 ft tall mutant rabbits that want to enslave the world.

So instead they decide a cunning plan. Aha! we will move half of our race across the sea to the Ring Of Fire Island Chain and guard the final door and we also need some way to stop these pesky meddling "Chosen" from getting to it. They then after being stumbeled upon by a drunk man realise they can do this by using a front known as the White Mantle to control Kryta and deliver the chosen to the bloodstone for their impending death. First of course they need to show the Krytans that Saul doesnt talk nonsense so the Mantle drive the Charr off. Of course Saul dies in this so not everyones a winner. So they have now successfully enslaved the world (or we could say Kryta).

But now they have another problem before the can enslave the rest of the world. They need to move a huge army of Mursaat (because the Asura that became the Mursaat did so in great numbers of course) to the Shiverpeaks. Unfortunatly for the intelligent Asura it appears the Shiverpeaks are in Civil War. Oops. So they gather all the forces they have in the Shiverpeaks and attack Thunderhead Keep. Of course the Stone Summit are attacking aswell so it should go fine. unfortunalty the leader of the White Mantle is killed in this and many mursaat are destroyed. The real "Chosen" have got to the Ring Of Fire Island Chain. They work their way through destroying most of the Asursaat army and finally opening the door of komalie. The Titans wreck havoc in the major parts of Tyria and their new race begin to get wiped out.

Unlucky for them. Theirs also the fact that somewere along the lines these Asursaat made of couple of enemies - like the Seer. So really it wasnt the smartest plan to enslave the world. And now they have another problem - The Great Destroyers back and hes trying to end the world. Not working out for the little guys is it?.

^ Seems pretty silly to me. They landed themselves in more trouble than they ought have. I'm sorry but i'm going with the Mursaat and Asura being seperate. They may of had interactions in the past and both may be advanced but for Anet to even pull a stunt like the Mursaat = Asura in disguise would be cheap.

asuras dont want to destroy.............they want to inslave everything.....they think they are the chosen that everything taller than them has a small brain and they where sent here to work for them.

http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...d.php?t=453577

Nobody ever said anything about the Asura wanting to destroy...pretty sure we all keep stating that one word "enslave" alot in this thread.


Isnt that information from the PC Gamer article? pretty sure i read it from the races box.

yea i read that 2

Asura: omg we have to protect our armor from the prophecy

Here is something that came to mind when giving the Seer’s a cold hard look over as well as the Mursaat. This is my theory. What if there was a slight connection between Abbadon and the Mursaat, in the way they used to be Margonites but somehow found redemption. For this they were driven far into Tyria (the Maguuma Jungle to be exact). After when Abbadon's fall came for the first time (struck down by the gods), these special Margonites started to loose their corruption and power, in which they were turning somewhat humanoid again. They panicked and looked for a new means of gaining back their special abilities. That is when they came in contact with the Asura, who at the time still had ideas of grandeur. These special Margonites asked the Asuras for help, and in return they would help them gain control over Tyria. The Asuras even as intelligent as they were fell for the ploy of “more land to be conquered,” and gave these Margonites a special and yet powerful magic’s.

These Margonites accepted their new roll in the world, and became known as the Mursaat. They heard whispers in the air of the return of their old master, and quickly dispatched a means to stop it; they knew that one of the portals was located in the Ring of Fire. The Asuras became impatient with their supposed underlings, and told them they would take back their gift. However the Mursaat became more powerful, and basically drove the Asuras into hiding, telling them “they were the masters now.” However there was another player in all of this, which came from the North; one of their old masters menacing enemies, The Great Destroyer. The Great Destroyer fed off destruction tearing through the land with no remorse, while even Abbadon only wanted dominance in the sake of vengeance over the elder gods. So of course, they had conflicting interests.

The Mursaat felt a war coming to them from both sides and they were trapped in the middle. For the allies of The Great Destroyer were in fact those mysterious Seer’s. The Great Destroyer wanted the Titans for his own submission or they would be destroyed if proven indifferent. A war broke out between the two races and eventually the Mursaat were victorious, because the Seer’s god met an untimely demise by the hands of the Great Dwarf. The Seer’s become powerless and were driven to the northern lands of Tyria. However this is when the prophecy was told of the Mursaats fall (via the “Flameseeker Prophecies”). The Seer’s also heard about this as well, through a certain chain of events.

The Mursaat were very upset at the idea of all they worked for to be destroyed by these humans; so they decided they would play “fire with fire.” That is when Saul D'Alessio came into the picture and they manipulated him. Saul started a secret order of the White Mantle to rid of potential threats or pre-warn them about one, to his masters the Mursaat (unseen ones). They would no longer tolerate being manipulated themselves by any god(s), so they became their own version of gods to the Mantles eyes.

EDIT: I know it also seems odd for me to bring this up, but what about the true identities of both the Great Dwarf and the Great Destroyer. I have this odd feeling that Balthazar is somewhat either related to the Great Dwarf or is him. Of course Balthazar is also some sort of craftsman as well, since he forged those chains around Abaddon. However I kind of doubt the great Destroyer is Menzies even though he has a title as being the “Lord of Destruction.” If it is true it would kind of prove my theory to be inapt, since Menzies helped Abaddon try to break free of his bonds. However if you notice the dialogue between both of their underlings you noticed they really had a broken relationship.

The Jade armor where the same mask as Abaddon.

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Image:JadeArmor.jpg



IMO, I think the Great Dwarf is Droknar or related to him.

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Great_Dwarf

Another Teory:

Mursaats and seers are in fact outsiders (from another plane) and are the first civilization of the universe (even before that the current gods). Only it is necessary to see his advanced magic “technology” is superior to any race (included margonites and forgotten). In my opinion, mursaats are something similar to illithid, an ultra-advanced civilization from another plane and even from another time, which neither adore or serve any god and even detest them. Only it is necessary to see her actions in kryta: They imposed a new pantheon and prohibited the former religion.

It is possible that the legacy of the mursaats as an interplanar empire is so extensive and ancient that his influence spreads on the Forgotten and other races and even Abaddon himself. Abaddon maybe was mursaat long ago or of a civilization that had contact with them when it was a simple mortal. Perhaps the civilization to which Abaddon belonged was strongly influenced by the culture of the mursaats from one form or other (this could explain why his mask is so similar). In the end Abaddon is the least human of the current gods except Grenth.

Also the mursaat and the seer know the existence of the titans for EONS and not 1000 or 3000 years. So it cannot be that mursaats were long ago margonites. Therefore they are at least as ancient as the forgotten race.

I think that mursaats came to this plane looking for the origin of the titans/destroyers, probably his plane was invaded by the titans/destroyers in some moment in the distant past. On having come, they discovered the Bloodstones and put all his pledge in discovering her secrets. But something was wrong and the volcano enters in eruption dividing the bloodstones and turning the magic to the world debilitating the barrier in the process. In desperation looked for a solution to restore the barrier and find the solution in Saul D'Alessio.