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Drop of Fear

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

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30 Apr 2007 at 08:26 - 1

Was wondering after 6 months what are people thinking about the inscriptions system introduced with nightfall... rare skins are still rare, but the system basicly leveled all the players to the same level.
so... what would happen if they copy/paste the same inscription system in the other 2 contintens? hardcore players would probably be happy because their req8 and req7 oldschool items will be rarer then ever, and casual players would be happy aswell because they no longer need to drop n+ times the same skin to find a 15^50 or +5energy one, or farm xx hours to have the amount of gold needed to buy one.

after all most of the rare canthan and tyrian skins already drop in ha with inscriptions... guardian of the hunts, celestials, jade swords, gpb etc...

I personaly can say i love the new inscription system and i see many benefits from moving it to the first 2 campaigns, it would be a nice way to revamp interest and fill ghost towns again.

thoughts? just dont hang me for this

Longasc

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

30 Apr 2007 at 08:39 - 2

You are not the first who would like the Inscriptions and Insignias extended to all campaigns.

I would like this, too.

RSGashapon

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

Sol 3

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30 Apr 2007 at 08:43 - 3

I really hope, someday in the not-too-distant future, that Anet updates all the armors available in Tyria and Cantha to the newer, better insignia system. Prophecies has many armors that, while good looking, don't see a lot of use because their stats aren't the most sought after (I name Mesmer's Rogue's armor as an example). I'm sure they'd be used more if they were updated to match the armor sets available in Elona.

As for weapons, I'm sure they would benefit from an update as well, though maybe not as critical or necessary as an armor update would be.

zwei2stein

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Europe

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30 Apr 2007 at 08:48 - 4

Anet had opportunity to introduce them with hard mode, lots of people where hyped on this posibility. Shame it didnt happen.

cellardweller

Likes naked dance offs

Join Date: Aug 2005

The Older Gamers [TOG]

30 Apr 2007 at 08:49 - 5

I would take it a step further and make all existing items inscriptified, but I doubt that would be a popular move amongst the collectors

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TBH though, I can't wait till they do. I've put off doing HM in Tyria and Cantha till then because, as someone who isn't interested in trading, all of the golds dropped there are worthless to me.

Mourne

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

North Carolina, US

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30 Apr 2007 at 08:53 - 6

Do not change all campaigns to inscriptions please....Rare noninscribable weapons are rare for a reason, because not everyone has them. They have already taken away a good bit of the inscribable highend items with the hard mode update, don't do it to the rest.

-Loki-

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

30 Apr 2007 at 08:55 - 7

The main problem is existing armour sets. They would have to retroactively update all armour that's been bought, otherwise there would be a lot of angry people. However, they've shown they can easily change things in people inventories, so this shouldn't be too much of a problem.

Zaganher Deathbane

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

Las Vegas

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30 Apr 2007 at 09:15 - 8

The way I see it I think we will expect Prophecies and Factions weapons and armors to be inscriptable and insigniable upon the release of GWEN. Remember that GWEN is an expansion which requires you to own at least 1 chapter to play it. If insignias and inscriptions apply to NF only then as a new player why would I buy Prophecies or Factions then? What would be the advantage of buying those 2 over NF?

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

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30 Apr 2007 at 09:22 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by cellardweller

I would take it a step further and make all existing items inscriptified, but I doubt that would be a popular move amongst the collectors

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I though all the collectors left game already since anet basically kept making rare stuff less rare since day one, hardmode and now huge avaiability of r9 max Sicles/Tribal axes/etc shold have persuaded even most blunt of them that there is no point of collecting stuff just because it is rare.

Seriously, who of "i have r9 crystalines with each inherent mod" people is still around and cares?

Thus, collectors/rare stuff traders/etc should be least concern when talkign about this stuff.

DFrost

Krytan Explorer

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Ultima Thule

Legacy of Echovald [Echo]

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30 Apr 2007 at 09:37 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Loki-

The main problem is existing armour sets. They would have to retroactively update all armour that's been bought, otherwise there would be a lot of angry people. However, they've shown they can easily change things in people inventories, so this shouldn't be too much of a problem.

Not necessarily, didn't all obsidian armors stay the same but there was just an inscribable set added to the crafter? They could do the same to other armors as well, and I hope that they will do so when GW:EN is released.

EDIT: I got inscriptions and insignias confused again. I would like the Tyrian and Canthan armors to have insignia slots available, I don't mind the current weapon inscription system.

bilateralrope

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

New Zealand

Xen Of Onslaught (Xen of the Pacific division)

30 Apr 2007 at 09:48 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by cellardweller

I would take it a step further and make all existing items inscriptified, but I doubt that would be a popular move amongst the collectors

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The problem with moving existing items over to the inscription/insignia system is the amount of time it would take to go through the database of players inventories and changing every item. Unless ANET does something clever like making an NPC to talk to to change your stuff over, it will probably require that ANET schedule some downtime in order to convert the items.

Because of this I'll personally be happy with all new items on the insignia/inscription system, with only the more expensive (>1.5k) armor sets retroactively changed over. Existing cheap armors and weapons would remain unchanged but those armors will be cheap to repurchase (though dye prices would likely spike), and the weapons will become cheap enough after a while. Making all armors insignia armors would be nice though.

Currently the most expensive armor set I have is 1.5k Kurzick, so I don't expect them to be made insignia armors, but as they are either Factions or Nightfall armors the only stat change I would get from that would be the headgear. My weapons currently have good enough stats for PvE.

Besides, since people who want to have armor sets of different stats will be wanting multiple sets in either system, I don't really see any advantage to making Factions armors insignia armors as their looks are already separate from their stats. But if they were changed to take insignia people using them would have to deal with the prices at the insignia trader (currently 2.3k for sentinels and 1.7k for +energy, and most people would want 5 of them). But I do agree that Prophesies armors do need to have their skins and stats separated, either by the Factions or Nightfall methods.

Surena

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2007

N/Me

30 Apr 2007 at 09:55 - 12

Whom of those r9-crystalline-owners do you know, have you ever heard of? Do you know the guy who got fow-armour as the first ever? Do you know a guy with a req 8 serpent axe? I don't know anyone. What does admiration by (mostly younger) players give you? Way back in Summer 2005 when I had so much luck that I could afford a FoW-Set, players stood in crowds around me. Is that what makes this game so joyful to you? I never got it.

People care too much about rare stuff and its meaning, value and some of these so-called collectors have a worrying attitude to this game.

I totally support insignias on Tyria's Armours and inscriptions on its rare weapons.

jackie

/retired

Join Date: Dec 2005

On the Beach

30 Apr 2007 at 10:26 - 13

Not signed,

I favour the pre-NF item system. It was quite exciting to identify gold items knowing that it could have awesome stats or totally useless.

fenix

Major-General Awesome

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30 Apr 2007 at 10:32 - 14

Basically, look at it this way:

Since HM has come in, rare skins are dropping like mad, so aren't as rare any more. Currently the ONLY way to get Factions/Prophecies skins inscribable, is the HoH chest. That means that very shortly, the rare items will be the HoH chest ones, as everything else is being farmed like mad in Hard Mode.

If inscriptions were added, then the ONLY rare skins/items in the game, would be the HoH-only ones. There are still rare-collectors, and if they all get removed, it'll make a lot of people angry.

Rockby Quickfoot

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2006

Raptor Five [Five]

Me/Mo

30 Apr 2007 at 10:55 - 15

I don't think they would just switch it over since they say that the inscriptions are supposed to be a reason to buy Nightfall. However, I still would like to change insignias on our Tyrian/Canthan armours. I think that if someone has the Nightfall campaign added to their account, they can go to Nightfall and there could be an NPC to make the insignia on armour (or inscription on a weapon) blank, so that we could then inscribe them.

silara_jorinset

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

AoFT

E/Me

30 Apr 2007 at 11:06 - 16

Undecided on the inscriptions but I think insignias really need to be added to armour in the first two chapters. The npc idea suggested by bilateralrope would probably be the best way to do this as its non-intrusive and optional that way.

zwei2stein

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Europe

The German Order [GER]

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30 Apr 2007 at 14:07 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by bilateralrope

The problem with moving existing items over to the inscription/insignia system is the amount of time it would take to go through the database of players inventories and changing every item. Unless ANET does something clever like making an NPC to talk to to change your stuff over, it will probably require that ANET schedule some downtime in order to convert the items.

Id like to mention fact that some items are not compatible with inscription system.

Dual -2/-2 shields, Those tac shields with +1/20% fire magic...

Wating anet to convert existig stuff is foolish because it cant be principilally done for large subsection of items (with exception of armors, its imho doable for those.)

What is doable and would be apreciated is making hard mode drops inscribable and all uw/fow drops inscribable.

Marth Reynolds

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

The Netherlands

The Lore Enforcers

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30 Apr 2007 at 14:10 - 18

I really think they should change this system for the Tyrian/Canthan armors but for weapons i fon't mind either way.

Cymmina

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Me/N

30 Apr 2007 at 14:30 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackie

It was quite exciting to identify gold items knowing that it could have awesome stats or totally useless.

You dear, are the minority. How is "excitement" over what is essentially a very cruel lottery good for the game? It's not. For the rest of us, whenever a gold drops it's a case of "I bet this is going to be another shitty gold, I hope it at least has decent mods I can salvage off and put it in my inscriptionable weapon".

I won't buy anything without an inscription slot anymore.

It's retarded that ALL armors didn't get insignias retroactively, even if it was only for accounts with NF. It's not like you can trade armor.

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

30 Apr 2007 at 14:33 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by zwei2stein

What is doable and would be apreciated is making hard mode drops inscribable and all uw/fow drops inscribable.

I like this idea a lot.

Yes armor definitely needs insignias.

15k knights with better stats PLEASE PLEASE.

SuperDave

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2006

South Africa

Forever Knights

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30 Apr 2007 at 14:37 - 21

Here's an idea....

What if: they introduce the occasional Inscribable drop in Tyria and Cantha. So, basically you'd still have a chance of picking up a 15^50 sephis axe (like it is atm), but you might also get a sephis axe with an inscription slot.

I don't mind ppl telling me my ideas suck... so feel free to do that if you think it does

milias

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Defected back to America

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30 Apr 2007 at 14:46 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drop of Fear

I personaly can say i love the new inscription system and i see many benefits from moving it to the first 2 campaigns, it would be a nice way to revamp interest and fill ghost towns again.

I will second this! My Elementalist wants that 15k Tyrian Geomancer set!

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

30 Apr 2007 at 14:47 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cymmina

You dear, are the minority. How is "excitement" over what is essentially a very cruel lottery good for the game? It's not. For the rest of us, whenever a gold drops it's a case of "I bet this is going to be another shitty gold, I hope it at least has decent mods I can salvage off and put it in my inscriptionable weapon".

I won't buy anything without an inscription slot anymore.

It's retarded that ALL armors didn't get insignias retroactively, even if it was only for accounts with NF. It's not like you can trade armor.

Quoted for my troofs.

We need inscribable armor sets for each campaign pronto. Nightfall has been out for awhile, it's losing its buying incentive anyways.

milan

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

BONE

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30 Apr 2007 at 14:58 - 24

No thanks.

I prefer things to stay as they are. Inscriptions should be an aspect of NF, I feel that they shouldn't have even made it to HoH.

fb2000

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

30 Apr 2007 at 15:18 - 25

no, armor can be changed, but drops not.
why? itll only increase the gap between rich and poor. right now u still have the chance of getting a req7 something, if its all inscribable, collectors will keep their req7 items, and poorer players will lose another chance to make some cash.

that being said, i dont like inscribables that much :P

semantic

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2005

30 Apr 2007 at 15:47 - 26

Seems like true collectors would be ecstatic. Sure, people could create 'perfect' Tyrian/Canthan items, but since the only way to implement it would be for new drops only and via inscription NPC for old items, the originals would become more rare with time. Got a perfect, uninscriibed <whatever>? Rejoice. It'll never drop again. Ever.

I kinda feel like I would rather they spent their time on developing new stuff, rather than retrofitting the first two campaigns. For example, if it's a choice between inscriptions everywhere and continued evolution of the trade system, I'd choose the latter.

As far as insignias go, I've got 1 set of 15k from Prophecies that I'd like to monkey around with. It would definitely be cool, since there are some great skins in the original that deserve the boost in popularity they would get.

Series

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2006

30 Apr 2007 at 15:49 - 27

This would be a great change. To upgrade old armors, just have the armor NPC have a new tab that allows you to trade in your old armor for new and improved armor. If for some reason you don't like insignias... don't trade the armor in. Same for weapons I guess.

LONGA

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Agot

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30 Apr 2007 at 15:49 - 28

Getting a low req with the right spec items in Cantha and Tyria seems like winning a lottery tickets.I think only people who daydream about getting a pile of cash still support non-inscribable systems.

Amy Awien

Forge Runner

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30 Apr 2007 at 16:03 - 29

Not signed.

I haven't seen the inscriptions yet that would convert inscribable weapons into the weapons of my choice. But I can go to collector-npc's and get the weapons of my choice. I do not see an improvement in loosing that ability.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cymmina

You dear, are the minority. How is "excitement" over what is essentially a very cruel lottery good for the game?

How is hoping to find the gold with the maxed inscription you need not a lottery? Inscriptions don't change that aspect of the game.

As long as I can not buy these inscriptions, I don't look at them, or inscribable weapons.

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

30 Apr 2007 at 16:12 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amy Awien

How is hoping to find the gold with the maxed inscription you need not a lottery?

You can change it from crap to perfect with an inscription. If you see a req 7 gold Brute Sword drop and it turns out to bve 12>50%, then you're screwed. If it was dropped in Elona, it's inscribable and you can change it from mediocre to grand.

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

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30 Apr 2007 at 16:29 - 31

I'm immensely in favor of this... I don't tend to run around in the first two campaigns mostly because the items and armors aren't inscribable. People bring their inscribable items into Prophecies and Factions anyhow, so why not?

Leave existing items/armors as they are, make all future ones inscribable.

Sir Skullcrasher

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

15 over 50 [Rare]

W/Mo

30 Apr 2007 at 16:40 - 32

I don't think it's that hard for A-Net to move the existing inscription system into Tyria and Cantha? I mean all they have to do is get that coding for the inscription system and put on all the existing items on both worlds right?

SotiCoto

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Drazach Thicket

Temple of Zhen Xianren [Sifu]

30 Apr 2007 at 16:44 - 33

I couldn't give a toss less about the armour sets. It is totally unnecessary in Cantha since there is a full selection of types for every armour set... and as for Tyria... well... that could do with being upgraded to the Canthan system, but having insignias is just a little pointless.

Weapons though...
... Definitely.
We need inscribable weapons in all three campaigns.

I'll put it this way: Other people are all going whoopy crazy over Nightfall golds.... Dead Swords and Colossal Scimitars are being farmed to death right now. I couldn't care less about those.... What I'm after are Celestial Weapons. Ideally, at least for the swords and axes... I'd like them to be 15^50 ... not for selling... but for my own personal use. The odds of my getting weapons (at least one of each type, staves and wands aside) meeting those criteria? Very low ... Ridiculously low. Having inscriptions available on such weapons could seriously cut down the grind-factor involved.... because that is what it comes to now: I'm grinding for those weapons.

Buster

Wilds Pathfinder

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Elona

Clan Eternal Legion

D/W

30 Apr 2007 at 17:56 - 34

Inscriptions are nice i agree and would love to see them on tyrian and canthan items and so on but part of the issue is you are letting people who don't have Nightfall get something for free which others paid for when they bought NF. Inscriptions are a NF exclusive and I don't believe weapons and armor in GW:EN will be inscribable either.

Quantum Duck

Lion's Arch Merchant

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Err7

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30 Apr 2007 at 18:19 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drop of Fear

thoughts? just dont hang me for this

I sincerely doubt changing drops in an existing area would be as simple as "copy and paste", but I wouldn't mind an update making the weapons and armor from various continents consistent. I think the NF system is the best one, so updating the others to that wouldn't be kind of nice in my opinion.

The Legg

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30 Apr 2007 at 18:31 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockby Quickfoot

I think that if someone has the Nightfall campaign added to their account, they can go to Nightfall and there could be an NPC to make the insignia on armour (or inscription on a weapon) blank, so that we could then inscribe them.

Agree Agree Agree

Anet you goto make this happen, so many cool looking armour peices from catha and tyria but just cant really use them beacuse the stats just are not functional in todays game apart from specific circumstances.

Make it happen!!!!!!!!!!

Kalidon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Eternal War Lords

W/Mo

30 Apr 2007 at 18:38 - 37

I want an inscribable Platinum Staff req 9 curses

xBakox

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

[JF] Just Friends, [NOT] Nomads of Turmoil

30 Apr 2007 at 18:40 - 38

I don't mind the weapons so much even though it would be nice. But armors DEFINATELY as in NEED insignias for all campaigns.

Levi Garett

Old School Nub

Join Date: Jun 2005

ABQ, NM

Guildless

Mo/Me

30 Apr 2007 at 18:51 - 39

I don't want insignias for Tyria and Cantha as I can buy the exact armor there that I want. No need to buy Radiant insignias, Sentinel insignias, Bloodstanined Insignias, etc.

Inscriptable weapons would be nice but that will make the value of Tyrian/Canthan items even less than they already are.

The only thing that's really unfair about NF armor is the Headpieces have added bonuses that the Canthan/Tyrian headpieces have no way of attaining. This should be fixed!

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

30 Apr 2007 at 19:13 - 40

I'd rather they gave us the options of the new Canthan armours and Nightfall insignia's on the Canthan/Tyrian armours.