It seems as if an army of bot farming monks is on patrol at Bergen Hot Springs. I thought that loot scaling and all of these new farming nerfs were to prevent this from happening... but I guess not.
Is it just that these bot programmers are smarter than the Anet programmers or what? Seems to me that there should be some way of prevent this from happening.
Bot Farming at Bergen Hot Springs
jammerpa
Realm of Fiery Doom
What's so good at Bergen Hot Springs to farm?
Kha
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Originally Posted by jammerpa
It seems as if an army of bot farming monks is on patrol at Bergen Hot Springs. I thought that loot scaling and all of these new farming nerfs were to prevent this from happening... but I guess not.
Is it just that these bot programmers are smarter than the Anet programmers or what? Seems to me that there should be some way of prevent this from happening. |
Yes the loot scaling is to prevent a large amount of money from merchant fodder, which is what bot farming is for, but even still you can get a good amount of money from solo farming. I made 15k, 10 lockpicks, 45 birthday cupcakes, and a req 9 Colossal Scimitar yesterday from farming
I didn't have luck outside of Bergen Hot Springs however so my attempts there were shortlived. Maybe I will go back today for some peaceful farming fun.
Valshia
I hear there's good Dead Bow/Sephis Axe farming there in Hard Mode. I see a lot of monks in Gates of Kryta too. You sure they're bots or just hard core farmers trying to cash in?
Hell Raiser
I farm at Bergen and I don't run bots, and I'm not a "hardcore farmer". I've farmed outside of bergen since the first Halloween collectors showed up, for Decayed Orr Emblems. And recently, for the event drops (cupcakes, gold eggs etc.). I've gotten several good drops (15^50 dead bow, 15/-5 dead bow, 15^50 sephis axe , 15/-5 sephis axe all max+many other golds). Just because there are several monks farming that area doesn't mean they're bots, I know quite a few people who now farm that area.
tenshi_strife
bots this bots that... bleh yes they may be bots but i dont realy care that much. bots suck but they dont effect my play experience.
any who on to the subject, like others have said they may not be bots. also bots are not smarter than anet they just act and anet needs to react making them, by definition, always ahead of anet. im sure they will come up with a reasonable way to deal with this soon.
any who on to the subject, like others have said they may not be bots. also bots are not smarter than anet they just act and anet needs to react making them, by definition, always ahead of anet. im sure they will come up with a reasonable way to deal with this soon.
jammerpa
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Originally Posted by Hell Raiser
Just because there are several monks farming that area doesn't mean they're bots, I know quite a few people who now farm that area.
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I'm saying this because since I saw them last night, my drops have been horrible and is it being caused by the bots over-farming the area.
onerabbit
go to the International dis, u can tell there bots cuz they have odd names.
and becuase they get alot of golds they sell them unid, also they seem to farm in normal mode ...
as i was advertising wtb 7=7k and all of the stuff was non max, i mean like wands -17 dmg and bows 12-20 etc
and becuase they get alot of golds they sell them unid, also they seem to farm in normal mode ...
as i was advertising wtb 7=7k and all of the stuff was non max, i mean like wands -17 dmg and bows 12-20 etc
Symeon
He's right. I've been farming there myself, trying to get a nice Sephis Axe or Dead Bow to sell, and I was about to make a post about this, but then I went to the International District... and there are the bots. You can tell because they're all running to the sign for Nebo Terrace, stopping, then running round it and out through the portal, following exactly the same route.
Now while this run may yield a reasonable selection of loot to sell to the merchant for hard cash... I wonder whether they're doing anything with the golds they find? i.e. auto-identifying them and then placing them somewhere where the human operator can check up on them. It would be complicated but I can't understand why the bots would pick this place to farm, above all others.
Now while this run may yield a reasonable selection of loot to sell to the merchant for hard cash... I wonder whether they're doing anything with the golds they find? i.e. auto-identifying them and then placing them somewhere where the human operator can check up on them. It would be complicated but I can't understand why the bots would pick this place to farm, above all others.
lyra_song
ya seriously...i doubt botters are willing to beat the game just to farm
Symeon
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ya seriously...i doubt botters are willing to beat the game just to farm
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Lifeinthefridge
Why do you automatically assume that everyone there is a bot...Try to stop making assumptions that end up getting innocent players banned by Anets (Great Support Team /sarcasm) Most people there are not bots....and there are actually very few
max gladius
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Originally Posted by lyra_song
ya seriously...i doubt botters are willing to beat the game just to farm
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You are quite wrong.....
The latest update almost forced all the bot accounts to beat the game... Think of it... these huge companies that are selling ebay gold now either can get 1/8th of the money they could get, or get 1/4 if they farm hard mode small team areas.....
I dont buy ebay gold or such, and dont approve of it at all. But, you can judge how easy / hard it is to sell high end items, based on how much the companies are selling their gold for.... and, if you even glanced at any of the companies before (1mil 60 USD) and after (1mil 150 USD) the update , you would see a huge jump in their prices for ingame gold....
As in ecto prices going very low, i feel it is based on the fact that these companies ran out of gold, had stacks of ecto, and sold the ecto to the merchant to stay in business as their bot accounts beat the game....
We had this discussion the other day in a district while playing 9 rings...
There are TONS of these bots now, mainly in the lower team number cities where there is a large amount of enemy right outside, example: Hot springs.... I have seen so so many of them, so many times its just outrageous.....
Sorry if I went on a bit about the bots... but i hate them.... they just cause more problems for real players to farm or do much of anything, and that annoys me....
Notes to identify bots:
1. Almost never have a guild.
2. As they load into city, they take off moving toward exit immediately, as in they dont even look around to see where the exit is.
3. Run into walls on way to exit and slide along wall to exit (this one is funny cause they sometimes get stuck on exit sign or such)
4. Most often in small cities with simple load to exit paths.
5. Almost always Monk/War (lots mo/war bots there cause only 1 campaign needed and lost of 50 bucks when it gets banned is better then 100)
Im not saying all ppl that have these characteristics are bots, im just saying, these are most common situations
Splatter Mcnasty
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Why do you automatically assume that everyone there is a bot...Try to stop making assumptions that end up getting innocent players banned by Anets (Great Support Team /sarcasm) Most people there are not bots....and there are actually very few
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Red-Tide
Ugh, this again. I had numerous in-game "conversations" (I use that loosely) with uninformed idiots that stand in Bergen and The Astralarium saying all the monks are bots. Even had some people tell me I suck at the game thats why I now use a bot to farm me money. ROFL. Anyway, these are not bots, hell I have spent the better part of the last 4 days in those 2 areas farming cupcakes, Dead bows and Sephis's. Almost everyone I messaged in these zones responded to me and almost no one had those weird, questionable names that most farmer or farmer bots have.
I would also like to add that the camaraderie amongst the farmers was excellent. We were sharing builds, tips and tricks, made my day actually. Props all!
Splatter - This is not granite citadel, I witnessed no "bot behaviour" in those 2 places all weekend. Also, there were a ton of different setups Mo/W, Mo/D, Mo/E, Mo/Me, D/Mo, etc.... Botters use a single proven setup.
I would also like to add that the camaraderie amongst the farmers was excellent. We were sharing builds, tips and tricks, made my day actually. Props all!
Splatter - This is not granite citadel, I witnessed no "bot behaviour" in those 2 places all weekend. Also, there were a ton of different setups Mo/W, Mo/D, Mo/E, Mo/Me, D/Mo, etc.... Botters use a single proven setup.
Symeon
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Originally Posted by Red-Tide
Ugh, this again. I had numerous in-game "conversations" (I use that loosely) with uninformed idiots that stand in Bergen and The Astralarium saying all the monks are bots. Even had some people tell me I suck at the game thats why I now use a bot to farm me money. ROFL. Anyway, these are not bots, hell I have spent the better part of the last 4 days in those 2 areas farming cupcakes, Dead bows and Sephis's. Almost everyone I messaged in these zones responded to me and almost no one had those weird, questionable names that most farmer or farmer bots have.
I would also like to add that the camaraderie amongst the farmers was excellent. We were sharing builds, tips and tricks, made my day actually. Props all! |
People may say 'who cares, it doesn't affect me'. Fine then. We're just pointing it out.
Pkest
I farmed there much of yesterday in normal mode with a mo/d for cupcakes mostly but I was surprised that even though I was in normal I was getting drops from most of the kills. Compared to vermin runs where I'm lucky to get 5 drops from the whole Shreader mob, either the loot scaling works different in different areas or there is a difference between melee (all bunched up) and ranged (spread out) kills when it comes to drop calculations.
Garreth MacLeod
Hmmm, sounds like my monk needs to take a vacation at Bergen. (heard about this a few days ago but didn't have time to try)
lyra_song
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Originally Posted by King Symeon
And what would be the point of them farming there in normal mode?
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Executioner
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Originally Posted by Realm of Fiery Doom
What's so good at Bergen Hot Springs to farm?
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Originally Posted by King Symeon
And what would be the point of them farming there in normal mode?
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why didnt they do that before you may ask ? well theres quite a bit of degen there, i guess bots dont like degeneration but now theres a nice dervish skill called mystic regeneration which means degeneration for a 55 doesnt exist any more.
You can also clear the whole of cursed lands on a 55 monk, if you didnt know.
AznDoDo
Yeah I talked to some of the people, they say it's a good place to farm, which is news to me. But the topic creator is right, there are alot of bots there. Of course impossible to be sure which one are exactly bots, but a few posts above, the person posted some signs to "detect" for them. Right now I'm in Hot Spring American District, few of them have some sort of "Chinese name" ( sorry for more proper word ) and they just zone, to town spawn's point, then sets off to the exit. I see a monk named "Like The Monk" on right now, and saw him last nite, still doing the same 'automated looking' thing.
Go see for yourself
Go see for yourself
BuD
2 words to those who say "bots don't affect me"
Loot Scaling
Loot Scaling
MMSDome
Yesterday while on my campaign to vanquish Kryta I got a gold max sephis axe, wasnt much but it left me thinknig what if i farmed there? I wont go in solo but even going with a party and opening locked chests will get you enough money to make it worth your while. However it isnt beneficial to set bots there to farm solo because they just wont make enoguh money quick enough, bot farming is dying down quickly you can count on it with rare weapons becoming more common and solo farming coming to a halt.
Stormcloud
I farm there as well, right now its my most profitable run. 1.5-2k a run every 5 minutes. I laughed when someone called me a bot and I responded to them. Imagine their suprise when the "bot" started up a convo.
Bryant Again
Went there myself, and was a little confused the first time I went there. I had no idea what there was to farm, until I started vanquishing the area myself and found a max deadbow (blue, sadly).
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...We're screwed.
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2 words to those who say "bots don't affect me"
Loot Scaling |
psycore
Supposedly the new drops rates were to help the casual player and make it harder for the farmers. I've been seeing a lot more farmers now than I have previously and casual farmers grinding towards skill titles or 15k armour got the short stick.
I see bot's of all different configs (you know the ones who get stuck on signs, take the same path identically every time) all over the joint in int, from bergen to astralarium to yohlon to atruum, clearly abusing the system - send in support tickets to NC but nothing ever happens to them, seems NC have low priorities on account abuse.
I see bot's of all different configs (you know the ones who get stuck on signs, take the same path identically every time) all over the joint in int, from bergen to astralarium to yohlon to atruum, clearly abusing the system - send in support tickets to NC but nothing ever happens to them, seems NC have low priorities on account abuse.
MSecorsky
ANet should have a little fun and add barricades in the towns by the exits. Something easy enough to walk around, but likely to trap any botters and be a real pain to code for. Then... they should change them periodically so we can all laugh at the bot piles that form.
Str0b0
Loot scaling did nothing to prevent bot farming, which in actuality is only half bot I don't think they have made a bot to sell to the merchant I think a human still has to do that. Anyway the pro farmers, the gold sellers, don't care about loo tscaling. They have their banks of computers and their people to monitor them. Those computers can run until they blow up from overuse. The only thing that loot scaling did was make it take a little longer for them to get a good amount of gold up but because it is essentially a bot and a minder time is not really an issue. They will run 24/7 with no problem.
KANE OG
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Originally Posted by Str0b0
Loot scaling did nothing to prevent bot farming, which in actuality is only half bot I don't think they have made a bot to sell to the merchant I think a human still has to do that. Anyway the pro farmers, the gold sellers, don't care about loo tscaling. They have their banks of computers and their people to monitor them. Those computers can run until they blow up from overuse. The only thing that loot scaling did was make it take a little longer for them to get a good amount of gold up but because it is essentially a bot and a minder time is not really an issue. They will run 24/7 with no problem.
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KANE
Porkchop Sandwhiches
Wow that's great. Just sit at the sign at the hotsprings ID and enjoy the line of constant bots. Most of them are blonde female monks with buns (just like mine sadly), all in tattoos and without guilds.
Yes, they are bots. I admit to nothing but I know they are.
Yes, they are bots. I admit to nothing but I know they are.
6am3 Fana71c
As soon as i started farming here like week ago, drops were great but now i make a run and end up getting no golds at all... so, all those ppl saying bots dont efect them... THINK AGAIN
VitisVinifera
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Originally Posted by 6am3 Fana71c
As soon as i started farming here like week ago, drops were great but now i make a run and end up getting no golds at all... so, all those ppl saying bots dont efect them... THINK AGAIN
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back on topic.............
this is just as I predicted. Anet tries to put in new anti-bot code and it backfires, instead of doing real work and having in-game monitors personally observe activities
Zolderick
There will be no end to bots. I think it would be a good idea to counter this by giving the chance for players to gain high amounts of gold by doing something only a humans could do. Something requiring higher level of skill.
Shmanka
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Originally Posted by Zolderick
There will be no end to bots. I think it would be a good idea to counter this by giving the chance for players to gain high amounts of gold by doing something only a humans could do. Something requiring higher level of skill.
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-Loki-
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Originally Posted by Zolderick
There will be no end to bots. I think it would be a good idea to counter this by giving the chance for players to gain high amounts of gold by doing something only a humans could do. Something requiring higher level of skill.
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ogre-mage
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Originally Posted by jammerpa
It seems as if an army of bot farming monks is on patrol at Bergen Hot Springs. I thought that loot scaling and all of these new farming nerfs were to prevent this from happening... but I guess not.
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They really should just revert loot the way it was, but hell. I enjoy watching them fail and ruin the game in their attempts, honestly.
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There's nothing short of shutting down the servers or making the game unplayable that will correct it, but I enjoy watching them try.
Actually, if bots become usable again... considering the way loot works now, if farming companies were able to get consistency back up, the gold trade online would be more prosperous than ever before. Hell, I might have to try and sell my couple million off for some $$ before people figure it out.
Miral
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Originally Posted by King Symeon
He's right. I've been farming there myself, trying to get a nice Sephis Axe or Dead Bow to sell, and I was about to make a post about this, but then I went to the International District... and there are the bots. You can tell because they're all running to the sign for Nebo Terrace, stopping, then running round it and out through the portal, following exactly the same route.
Now while this run may yield a reasonable selection of loot to sell to the merchant for hard cash... I wonder whether they're doing anything with the golds they find? i.e. auto-identifying them and then placing them somewhere where the human operator can check up on them. It would be complicated but I can't understand why the bots would pick this place to farm, above all others. |
Miral
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Originally Posted by -Loki-
Convert Faction to Gold...
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Miral
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Originally Posted by VitisVinifera
it's been stated numerous times by several anet reps that other instances have no effect on yours, ie, if 1 million people are solo farming an instance it's the same as 1.
back on topic............. this is just as I predicted. Anet tries to put in new anti-bot code and it backfires, instead of doing real work and having in-game monitors personally observe activities |
ogre-mage
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Originally Posted by VitisVinifera
this is just as I predicted. Anet tries to put in new anti-bot code and it backfires, instead of doing real work and having in-game monitors personally observe activities
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