Hey, I saw my first inscriptable shadow shield 2 days ago. It was purple but still... I also noticed someone selling a gothic sword. Is it time to place a label
on unided items showing players the Nightfall based items before the id takes
place? Is it time for inscriptable items to take over the game entirely? You want lower prices, boy that would do it! Also, does the totem axe provide a
non-warrior with the full +5 energy? I am looking into a Ranger trapper so the highest energy weapon & focus combo for ele secondary suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks.
New inscriptable items & totem axe
Fox Mulder
kalebmordannon
the +5 energy on the totem axe is an inherent mod on the axe that has no stipulation. so, yes, it gives +5 energy to whoever wields it. as for the inscriptions causing lower prices, look at the prices of rare weapons in nightfall, they are just as high as uninscribable rare weapons in the other campaigns.
the_jos
If you are going to use focus + weapon, you are capped at 17 (not thinking about -1 regen + 15e focus) .
A staff with 5e head and +5e ^50 nets 20.
And is cheaper to obtain than a +5e sword/axe, I think.
And you don't need the requirements the focus does.
A staff with 5e head and +5e ^50 nets 20.
And is cheaper to obtain than a +5e sword/axe, I think.
And you don't need the requirements the focus does.
SotiCoto
Fiery Flame Spitter & 15/-1 Off-hand much...
And yes... We need inscribable weapons. I need inscribable Celestial weapons in particular.
And yes... We need inscribable weapons. I need inscribable Celestial weapons in particular.
Ferret
It would be nice to see inscribable weapons come to every chapter as new drops. There are a number of skins i'd love to see inscribable, but it would drop the prices dramatically on some items that are not so uncommon for the skin, but rare for the skin with 15>50 mods for example.
SotiCoto
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It would be nice to see inscribable weapons come to every chapter as new drops. There are a number of skins i'd love to see inscribable, but it would drop the prices dramatically on some items that are not so uncommon for the skin, but rare for the skin with 15>50 mods for example.
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Some of us just want to be free of the frustration of chestrunning for hours and eventually finding a Gold Celestial Sword only to find out it is a Lightning Celestial Sword of Pruning with no damage mod... ¬_¬
Jetdoc
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And yes... We need inscribable weapons. I need inscribable Celestial weapons in particular.
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You need items with maximum stats readily accessible with little to no effort.
You WANT items with a particular skin.
The first does not translate into the second.
Ferret
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Originally Posted by SotiCoto
Not everyone wants unreasonably high prices.... y'know...
Some of us just want to be free of the frustration of chestrunning for hours and eventually finding a Gold Celestial Sword only to find out it is a Lightning Celestial Sword of Pruning with no damage mod... ¬_¬ |
I'd love to find a max jade sword (like i have in the past) and convert the 20% when hexed to 15>50%.
It would be great if they could convert items existing in your inventory to inscribable versions too, suddenly a lot of junk would be so much more use. We also know this is possible too, after the 'Rockmolder' changes.
SotiCoto
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Just to clarify...
You need items with maximum stats readily accessible with little to no effort. You WANT items with a particular skin. The first does not translate into the second. |
"Little to no effort" is inapplicable. You fail.
It just stands to reason that certain skins shouldn't be systematically exempt from being inscribable...
bobrath
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Some of us just want to be free of the frustration of chestrunning for hours and eventually finding a Gold Celestial Sword only to find out it is a Lightning Celestial Sword of Pruning with no damage mod... ¬_¬
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SotiCoto
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Originally Posted by bobrath
But man, when that new area opens up populated only by plants that are ultra weak to lightning damage, you'll have the bomb of all weapons!.. <.<
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The other aspects could have been changed, but I wasn't about to start using a Celestial Weapon that didn't even have a damage mod!.... The other bits were just salt in the wound.
Skuld
Its INSCRIBABLE, not inscriptable.
Ozric
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..as for the inscriptions causing lower prices, look at the prices of rare weapons in nightfall, they are just as high as uninscribable rare weapons in the other campaigns.
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Not everyone wants unreasonably high prices.... y'know...
Some of us just want to be free of the frustration of chestrunning for hours and eventually finding a Gold Celestial Sword only to find out it is a Lightning Celestial Sword of Pruning with no damage mod... ¬_¬ |
SotiCoto
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And certainly not everyone wants everything to be dirt cheap. If all the 'golds' could be bought for a scant few thousand. Then we'd all be reduced to having to grind mobs for days or weeks to be able to afford 15k armor or better. It's nice to be able to pick up something worth 100k every once in awhile to get by this. What's more, having one of these rare, non-inscribable items gives me a sense of accomplishment. Take my max Ghostly Fire Staff, it's req. 13 but it's a perfect 20/20. That thing is probably worth quite a bit, but if tomorrow anyone could pick up an inscribable version of it, then I'd have lost all that. What's more, no one looks to most of the inscribable skins as 'rares', since all you need do is find one with a req.9. I can't tell you how many nice-skinned req.9 weapons i've merchanted simply for the fact that they were inscribable and thus not worth the inscription themselves.
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I want that damned sword so I can HIT THINGS WITH IT. -_-;
And furthermore, if I am forced to buy it, I don't want to have to pay through the nose for the damned thing when my weeks of effort have come to naught.
Heck... if they were inscribable, I'd even settle for a PURPLE Celestial Sword provided it was max damage. I could still put gold mods on it.
pies of doom
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Originally Posted by Skuld
Its INSCRIBABLE, not inscriptable.
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Carboplatin
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While there are a scant few inscribable weapons in NF that go for over 100k, most of the core skins that are inscribable have wrecked the market for those that are not.
And certainly not everyone wants everything to be dirt cheap. If all the 'golds' could be bought for a scant few thousand. Then we'd all be reduced to having to grind mobs for days or weeks to be able to afford 15k armor or better. It's nice to be able to pick up something worth 100k every once in awhile to get by this. What's more, having one of these rare, non-inscribable items gives me a sense of accomplishment. Take my max Ghostly Fire Staff, it's req. 13 but it's a perfect 20/20. That thing is probably worth quite a bit, but if tomorrow anyone could pick up an inscribable version of it, then I'd have lost all that. What's more, no one looks to most of the inscribable skins as 'rares', since all you need do is find one with a req.9. I can't tell you how many nice-skinned req.9 weapons i've merchanted simply for the fact that they were inscribable and thus not worth the inscription themselves. |
Juno Onuj
Well, you can get inscribable celestial weapons. I've seen two inscribable celestial swords, a celestial axe, hammer, and shield drop. Not sure if that was in question, but just fyi.
DRGN
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Hey, I saw my first inscriptable shadow shield 2 days ago. It was purple but still... I also noticed someone selling a gothic sword. Is it time to place a label
on unided items showing players the Nightfall based items before the id takes place? Is it time for inscriptable items to take over the game entirely? You want lower prices, boy that would do it! Also, does the totem axe provide a non-warrior with the full +5 energy? I am looking into a Ranger trapper so the highest energy weapon & focus combo for ele secondary suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks. |
Jetdoc
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Originally Posted by SotiCoto
"Little to no effort" is inapplicable. You fail.
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Instead, you want A-Net to completely change their system so you don't have to put that same amount of effort into getting that specific item.
So, who "fails"?
Ozric
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inscribable ghostly staffs can be found in nightfall. I personally have three 20/20/20 ghostly staffs for my necro.
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Firebaall
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Originally Posted by Skuld
Its INSCRIBABLE, not inscriptable.
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WarKaster
so let me try to put some rationale behind everything being said here....strictly for my benefit ( I'm not so bright in the head).
Because a weapon/wand/off hand can be inscribed and offers better flexibility to become anything you want to fit what ever need you deem necessary for your current needs whether it be Energy +5, +15% damage all the time etc. etc. It makes it worth less when compared to something that where the damage modifier that is set in stone???
to that i respond to with a hearty WTF??????
to me a weapon that offer more flexibility, that offers a wider range of abilities to be molded to fit what ever purpose you need it for should be worth more than something that cant offer you that.
But all that being said i remind you that I ain't so bright in the head.
Because a weapon/wand/off hand can be inscribed and offers better flexibility to become anything you want to fit what ever need you deem necessary for your current needs whether it be Energy +5, +15% damage all the time etc. etc. It makes it worth less when compared to something that where the damage modifier that is set in stone???
to that i respond to with a hearty WTF??????
to me a weapon that offer more flexibility, that offers a wider range of abilities to be molded to fit what ever purpose you need it for should be worth more than something that cant offer you that.
But all that being said i remind you that I ain't so bright in the head.
Jetdoc
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It makes it worth less when compared to something that where the damage modifier that is set in stone???
to me a weapon that offer more flexibility, that offers a wider range of abilities to be molded to fit what ever purpose you need it for should be worth more than something that cant offer you that. |
To get an item that has the exact stats that you want that is NOT inscribable, the chances of it dropping are very, very small.
To get an item that IS inscribable with the stats you want, you simply (1) get ANY item that drops with that skin; (2) buy the mods you want; (3) make it your own.
What commands the price of the item is how easily it is obtained. For inscribable items, almost all of them are very, very easy to obtain.
With non-inscribable items, getting one with the stats you want is very difficult to obtain.
That's why non-inscribable items cost more.
zwei2stein
I would kill (mobs) for inscribable celestial staves ...
lyra_song
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That's why non-inscribable items cost more.
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Sir Skullcrasher
If inscription is on all the weapons throughout all three world, how will it effect the prices of current weapons?
Gregslot
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Just to clarify...
You need items with maximum stats readily accessible with little to no effort. You WANT items with a particular skin. The first does not translate into the second. |
But the problem of not allowing us to add incriptions to factions and prophecies itens is that even if you like a ordinary skin, you will have a lot of work on finding a decent version of that item.
Ill give you my example:
I have been trying to find a decent Tower Shield (not that rare, and not many people want it), i found one version of it one of these days but its not even close to the version i want (with +30hp and -2/20%), so i have to keep on "farming" it until i get a decent version, and then i will consider on replacing my Sunreach (since its not decent, its perfect).
ALSO with the hard mode, i am thinking twice before considering on buying a lockpick and using it at Tyria and Cantha, because if i use it and get a nice skin, i will have to sell it to the merchant, and at Elona i can sell it for at least 5-10plat because people KNOW they can be changed
And thats about it, Hard Mode requires incribable at all chapters.
ps: i would LOVE to play at Raisu Palace, since it is incredbly hard now, but its not worth it
w00t!
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You want items that are currently obtainable (for a price) but don't want to put the effort into getting them.
Instead, you want A-Net to completely change their system so you don't have to put that same amount of effort into getting that specific item. So, who "fails"? |
If you take away the effort necessary to obtain something, you also take away the satisfaction once you get it. My two big memories in MMORPG's were getting my 15^50 req 8 Chaos Axe drop in FoW, and my Sara skirt in Runequest. Both took substantial effort to obtain, and were very satisfying to own.
I make a decent amount of money, so I certainly could have eBay'd the gold and bought the Axe, but what's the point in that? It would have meant nothing.
Fox Mulder
Inscriptible is correct. I misspelled it. The def means it's interchangable with inscribable but A-net chose one so we should all conform! Thanks for the info about energy weapons. ALthough I'm torn on whether I should waste my time with a solo anything build. The question about inscriptible was in response to A-net slowing the gold drops. I feel that seeing shadows & gothics going the easier route along with sephis & crystallines, why not go all the way? Also, thanks to all who went completely off topic. This is the first thread I've started that's had more than 3 responses.
Executioner
Well i think inscriptions should have been a global chapter patch, to make the game better overall, but i guess the the heads at Anet decided to use inscriptions as part of marketing NF.
I like to farm, looking for gold items, or group based pve in HM, but i really feel the first 2 chapters have been left out simply cos any items i get from them are just merchant fodder 90% of the time.
I like to farm, looking for gold items, or group based pve in HM, but i really feel the first 2 chapters have been left out simply cos any items i get from them are just merchant fodder 90% of the time.
zwei2stein
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If you take away the effort necessary to obtain something, you also take away the satisfaction once you get it. My two big memories in MMORPG's were getting my 15^50 req 8 Chaos Axe drop in FoW.
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Dont confuse winning lottery for working hard for something.
Marth Reynolds
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No, you were just lucky to have it drop. Anyone can get that axe drop on their first run (no effort or skill needed), Some people will never get it drop no matter how much time they spend doing fow and effort and skill they put into it.
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I well remember that during prophecies my warrior was running with a req 12 dmg +14% .50% axe just because nothing better dropped for me.
Sure i wasn't much into farming back then but a 15>50 drop was hella rare.
ATM if you want to have a certain proph/factions skin with perfect stats you'd have to be very lucky espescially when were talking about shields and offhands.
I'd like to see some rare drop in GW:EN that would make a item inscipeble (of course such an item shouldn't be to commen :P)
Cebe
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Its INSCRIBABLE, not inscriptable.
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Anyhoo, I'd rather the inscribable items were left in Elona. I like the fact that the inherent mods in Tyria and Cantha cannot be changed...it keeps some form of rareness in the game...and it makes it all the more exciting when you get a nice one drop.
If people wanted inscribable canthan/tyrian-only skins (ie Platinum, Celestial etc..) maybe they should add them in GW:EotN as drops rather than making all canthan and Tyrian skins inscribable too.
Shmanka
Well, I am partly for and against making all weapons we have currently 'inscribable'.
Benefits=PvE characters can have a shot at PvP once again, in a more fashionable suit, the market would open up and prices would lower(this is a good thing considering solo farming was nerfed and the influx of gold has stopped)
Downsides=The greatest things in the game would be dramatically lowered in price, and the utmost rare items would skyrocket. Why? Req 8 inscribables anyone?
That's just what I would expect to see, although in all honesty I just think req 8 weapons are broken, weakness is pvp is so damn strong and weakness can completely screw over damage output to begin with.
Hell... ANet doesn't bother with half the other problems in this game... might as well make a lead of faith... I'd like to see how things turned out if all weapons were inscribable.
Benefits=PvE characters can have a shot at PvP once again, in a more fashionable suit, the market would open up and prices would lower(this is a good thing considering solo farming was nerfed and the influx of gold has stopped)
Downsides=The greatest things in the game would be dramatically lowered in price, and the utmost rare items would skyrocket. Why? Req 8 inscribables anyone?
That's just what I would expect to see, although in all honesty I just think req 8 weapons are broken, weakness is pvp is so damn strong and weakness can completely screw over damage output to begin with.
Hell... ANet doesn't bother with half the other problems in this game... might as well make a lead of faith... I'd like to see how things turned out if all weapons were inscribable.
nevelo
Never understood why they didn't make inscribable weapons a global thing. I'm not a huge farmer, but when I do it's almost always in NF. At least with NF, if I get a maxed gold req 9, I can use it whether it be 20% hexed or not. I kind of consider a decent gold in Tyria/Cantha something of a myth. You never get one, but supposidly everyone else has one. I've been playing several months now, 1k hours logged, and not once have I gotten anything resembling good in the way of a gold in the first two chapters. It's a bit sad too, because there are several older skins from those chapters that I'd really love to get a hold of... ie a plat. staff. However, farming my eyes out only to be outdone by some 55 monk farm bot, forcing me to spam WTB for days in order to haggle some guy for a price that I can't afford is *really* not my idea of fun.
J3mo
Sure make inscribable weapons, my un-inscribable items will rise in price.
My storage will live once again ^^
My storage will live once again ^^
SotiCoto
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You want items that are currently obtainable (for a price) but don't want to put the effort into getting them.
Instead, you want A-Net to completely change their system so you don't have to put that same amount of effort into getting that specific item. So, who "fails"? |
I do rather feel like I'm repeating the words of others... but effort has nothing to do with it. Drops are all about statistical odds. Some people will get these things the first time, other people won't ever get them.... thus based on pure luck... due to the infrequency of the drops... those who do get them and don't actually want them will try to sell them for an inordinate amount of cash.
Now even if I did want said item... and would even be willing to pay the ridiculous price for it..... if I don't actually HAVE the cash already then there is no bleeding way I can get that sword anyway.
On the other hand, if I was 100% guaranteed to get what I wanted by applying an entire week of effort to it... then I would do it. I wouldn't even question the matter... I would go ahead and do it. As it stands though... I don't. I like to work for things, but I do NOT like to gamble.
I can't remember who mentioned it before..... but making Factions weapons inscribable wouldn't exactly kill the market nor the income of those who farmed them incessantly.... because it wouldn't just be the occasional rare drop that was worthwhile (with a load of worthless dross).... but rather a lot more of what they got would be worth it. Whether you get 100k from one sale or ten doesn't make any difference if you're in it for the cash. It will be an improvement merely for those who actually want to use the items rather than merely reselling.
mr_stealth
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...but effort has nothing to do with it. Drops are all about statistical odds. Some people will get these things the first time, other people won't ever get them.... thus based on pure luck
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There would be a very valid reason for having all weapons dropping as inscribable if there were no other way to get a perfect weapon. But, there are collectors, crafters, and green weapons availble with basically any stat. Golds and rare skins are just there for vanity. No one needs a 100k+ axe because a free/5k one will perform exactly the same. Making an effort to get that expensive/rare item is the players own choice, not a necessity.