/notsigned.
I have 10 characters and under no circumstances will i complete each protector title track in each campaign to access HM.
As previously mentioned this creates a grind that isnt needed and a good majority of players will not want.
One thing that bugs me about your op, is that you said that HM is being done by novice players that shouldnt be doing it. But who are you to be saying who should and shouldnt be able to play it. Thats like telling me i shouldnt play any of my other games on hardest difficulty right from the get go. Its been my experience in the past with games and gamers that the harder the game the faster i learn things. I wouldnt leave a BF2/BF2142 server because all the players are better or more experienced than me, no ill stick around, learn from what they are doing and from what im doing wrong. Why cant people do the same for GW?
Make HARD MODE only do-able if you have protector for that campaign, and unique to u.
malignant-heretic
Saraphim
*jumps on the bandwagon.
/not signed.
Sorry, freekedoutfish but I disagree entirely. Having taken my main toon (ele) through all three campaigns and got prot on all of them the first point about not knowing the missions is moot. Anyone with a prot title and access to hard mode already has experience of the missions.
Professions, yes a different matter I would agree. The assumption that anyone may not be able to play a lvl 20 toon of a different profession through HM is a flawed one. For a start if that toon was rolled in, or has been to Elona they will have heroes and will have had to set them up. My necro is Elonian, but I got a bit tired of NF when I got her past Vabbi, so I decided to go to Tyria, run to SC and do the desert missions then onwards so I could cap the Prohecies only elites (mainly Spiteful Spirit). Yet should I be denied the chance to play her in HM just because I haven't trollied through all the missions in Tyria? That doesn't make me lazy, it means I have no desire to sit there fwapping low level monsters for 2/3 of the game just to be able to fwap bigger monsters later on.
As someone pointed out, it's time intensive. I play the game to get away from work. And having to go through all that again as a, frankly, perfectly capable lvl 20 toon just doesn't appeal in any way whatsoever.
/not signed.
Sorry, freekedoutfish but I disagree entirely. Having taken my main toon (ele) through all three campaigns and got prot on all of them the first point about not knowing the missions is moot. Anyone with a prot title and access to hard mode already has experience of the missions.
Professions, yes a different matter I would agree. The assumption that anyone may not be able to play a lvl 20 toon of a different profession through HM is a flawed one. For a start if that toon was rolled in, or has been to Elona they will have heroes and will have had to set them up. My necro is Elonian, but I got a bit tired of NF when I got her past Vabbi, so I decided to go to Tyria, run to SC and do the desert missions then onwards so I could cap the Prohecies only elites (mainly Spiteful Spirit). Yet should I be denied the chance to play her in HM just because I haven't trollied through all the missions in Tyria? That doesn't make me lazy, it means I have no desire to sit there fwapping low level monsters for 2/3 of the game just to be able to fwap bigger monsters later on.
As someone pointed out, it's time intensive. I play the game to get away from work. And having to go through all that again as a, frankly, perfectly capable lvl 20 toon just doesn't appeal in any way whatsoever.
tyche7
/Not signed very big much
Swift Thief
/not signed
Horrible idea.
Horrible idea.
Bride of the Atom
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Actually all my PUGs in HM have been great. It might take a while to find them, but ive had more fun in PUGs in HM then I ever did in NM.
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/not signed, no way, never. If someone doesn't care about titles and doesn't feel the need to do the bonus for every mission (especially the awful timed ones) it shouldn't have any bearing on their being able to have some fun with higher-level mobs in hard mode.
I know this thread probably doesn't need any more replies, but sometimes people's ideas amaze me.
bhavv
/notsigned, all the reasons have already been given.
To the topic starter stop suggesting pointless ideas.
To the topic starter stop suggesting pointless ideas.
bhavv
/notsigned, all the reasons have already been given.
To the topic starter stop suggesting pointless ideas.
To the topic starter stop suggesting pointless ideas.
vdz
/notsigned
Do you have any idea how hard it is to find people for HM missions ?
This would raise my 45 min party creating time to 2 hours.
Do you have any idea how hard it is to find people for HM missions ?
This would raise my 45 min party creating time to 2 hours.
Ozric
/notsigned
Sorry Fish,..already hard enough getting a group up in some places.
Sorry Fish,..already hard enough getting a group up in some places.
holababe
/not signed
Elitism is bad.
Elitism is bad.
Exterminate all
/Not signed...
No...no...no...no
OMG I CANT STOP SAYING NO HELP ME
no.no.no.no.no.no.no.no.no
No...no...no...no
OMG I CANT STOP SAYING NO HELP ME
no.no.no.no.no.no.no.no.no
Eldin
/notsigned
Know how hard it is already to find a HM group? Know how not-stupid you have to be to have unlocked HM?
Essentially, so far all the HM PuGs I've gotten into are NOT idiots (for the reason above I guess). I see no point in making a prejudicial rule just to further lessen the already-nonexistant amount of idiots doing HM.
This is like that time when an ele in a HM group of mine said "show protector title or i kick". I do NOT have the title. I'm two bonuses (ice caves and dunes) short. I'm still very experienced and something tells me I've been playing GW longer than he has, and he still decides to kick me. Elitism is already a pain. It would be far worse if it was official, too.
Know how hard it is already to find a HM group? Know how not-stupid you have to be to have unlocked HM?
Essentially, so far all the HM PuGs I've gotten into are NOT idiots (for the reason above I guess). I see no point in making a prejudicial rule just to further lessen the already-nonexistant amount of idiots doing HM.
This is like that time when an ele in a HM group of mine said "show protector title or i kick". I do NOT have the title. I'm two bonuses (ice caves and dunes) short. I'm still very experienced and something tells me I've been playing GW longer than he has, and he still decides to kick me. Elitism is already a pain. It would be far worse if it was official, too.
Hazard the Horrible
/signed
It's not hard to get the Protector title, and this would make sure that only the people who have proven themselves (provided they have gotten no runs through missions (which I am referring specifically to Prophecies)), are able to join you in Hard Mode. Oh, did you guys know that Hard Mode is optional? You do not even have to do your missions in hard mode if you don't want to (@ all of the 'do you know how hard it is to find a group?' people).
Cue flame war.
It's not hard to get the Protector title, and this would make sure that only the people who have proven themselves (provided they have gotten no runs through missions (which I am referring specifically to Prophecies)), are able to join you in Hard Mode. Oh, did you guys know that Hard Mode is optional? You do not even have to do your missions in hard mode if you don't want to (@ all of the 'do you know how hard it is to find a group?' people).
Cue flame war.
gameshoes3003
Yeah, this "pug" has been put in the slammer.
freekedoutfish, I suggest that you stop making arguments and calling people stupid about it. Most of the people who elaborated had highly valid points.
I personally think this isn't a good idea at all. If you want my evidence, read every single /notsigned post again.
So then yeah, this idea is just a lousy brouhaha.
/notsigned
freekedoutfish, I suggest that you stop making arguments and calling people stupid about it. Most of the people who elaborated had highly valid points.
I personally think this isn't a good idea at all. If you want my evidence, read every single /notsigned post again.
So then yeah, this idea is just a lousy brouhaha.
/notsigned
Evilsod
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Oh, did you guys know that Hard Mode is optional? You do not even have to do your missions in hard mode if you don't want to (@ all of the 'do you know how hard it is to find a group?' people).
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No way. I stand by that HM should have be available to characters who've completed the campaign only. Anet chose their method, i'll live with it.
Why make a thread on it anyway... Anet will never change it.
Hazard the Horrible
Lol, I don't care, I guess I just have more patience than others. It's not worth flaming over an opinion, so I am just gonna disregard that.
savage vapor 33
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Making the game more accessable is a good thing.
Allowing players to have more characters and play choices with less mission grind is a good thing. /not signed |
/unsigned
Not A Fifty Five
/notsigned "yuck"
/signed if you eliminated the "not unique to you" part. I don't see how having knowledge of the campaign as a necro is any different from having knowledge of it as a mesmer.
Hmm.. scratch that. If you implemented this hard mode would be emptier than hells precipice d2.
/signed if you eliminated the "not unique to you" part. I don't see how having knowledge of the campaign as a necro is any different from having knowledge of it as a mesmer.
Hmm.. scratch that. If you implemented this hard mode would be emptier than hells precipice d2.
daraaksii
/not signed.
They have implemented it yet. And this is a bad idea.
They have implemented it yet. And this is a bad idea.
sheepush
/notsigned
horrible horrible idea.
horrible horrible idea.
Dronte
/notsigned
Hard Mode has to be accessible for those players, who cant finish protector titles. Protector takes a long time, most of the players dont care about that title. But they wanna go for drops or something
Btw I have all 3 protectors.
Hard Mode has to be accessible for those players, who cant finish protector titles. Protector takes a long time, most of the players dont care about that title. But they wanna go for drops or something
Btw I have all 3 protectors.
Amon Warrior
/notsigned
Forcing players to go through titles for something that might be a source of even greater pain isn't good to anyone... Or do you consider HM to be a reward by itself? Only the most hardcore of players would think that way. How about everyone else?
Forcing players to go through titles for something that might be a source of even greater pain isn't good to anyone... Or do you consider HM to be a reward by itself? Only the most hardcore of players would think that way. How about everyone else?
Darth Kukulkan
/notsigned
Although it would be normal to restrict access to character who have completed the campaign, to prevent stupid farming, restricting it to the Title who needs the most grinding is just stupid.
I hate doing the missions, and you know Mr Kind of a big Deal, there are peoples in this game, unlike you, who have a LIFE ! Maybe they just do not have the time to grind MORE to have this title, which is really not prestigious...
Although it would be normal to restrict access to character who have completed the campaign, to prevent stupid farming, restricting it to the Title who needs the most grinding is just stupid.
I hate doing the missions, and you know Mr Kind of a big Deal, there are peoples in this game, unlike you, who have a LIFE ! Maybe they just do not have the time to grind MORE to have this title, which is really not prestigious...
Arduin
/notsigned
Just try to get 8+8 people for Unwaking Waters with your standards. The place is already empty in NM, let alone in HM.
Just try to get 8+8 people for Unwaking Waters with your standards. The place is already empty in NM, let alone in HM.
Faer
I'd rather not be forced to play a horribly retarded part of a game to play a somewhat decent part of it, thanks.
Amon Warrior
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I'd rather not be forced to play a horribly retarded part of a game to play a somewhat decent part of it, thanks.
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Show us your moves and I'll show you how I totally suck in HM! 
Not all the time though... 
Alleji
/not signed
I have no interest in doing a ton of boring missions on normal mode while falling asleep.
I have no interest in doing a ton of boring missions on normal mode while falling asleep.
Deleet
Stupid idea, dismissed before..
Protector titles are 99% grind for any experienced player. Don't need more forced grind.
Protector titles are 99% grind for any experienced player. Don't need more forced grind.
Kool Pajamas
/NO
I dont plan on getting protector title for any campaign because the bonuses for many of the missions are too boring. Especially for Elona. Doing all the missions in Elona was much longer than any other campaign. Being forced to get all the bonuses for every character on every mission I want to bring just to get to hard mode is not fun. I'd never touch hard mode if that happened.
I dont plan on getting protector title for any campaign because the bonuses for many of the missions are too boring. Especially for Elona. Doing all the missions in Elona was much longer than any other campaign. Being forced to get all the bonuses for every character on every mission I want to bring just to get to hard mode is not fun. I'd never touch hard mode if that happened.
Sophitia Leafblade
/signed for Requiring Protector Title to access hard mode.
/notsigned for each character having to achieve it, one character would be sufficient
Protector Titles are actually very easy to get on Characters, attaining it for one char would seem a reasonable requirement to get to Hard mode. If your not able to get the title chances are u wont get far in hard mode anyways. With the drop in AI in normal mode they should be even easier than before.
Elona ones are easy to get since they are normally only a small deviation from the mission although they normally are slightly harder than the mission. Cantha ones are done with the mission. Tryia ones are longer than the others but they are also considerably easier to get.
It would help reduce Bots and It would give the protector title a purpose/effect
/notsigned for each character having to achieve it, one character would be sufficient
Protector Titles are actually very easy to get on Characters, attaining it for one char would seem a reasonable requirement to get to Hard mode. If your not able to get the title chances are u wont get far in hard mode anyways. With the drop in AI in normal mode they should be even easier than before.
Elona ones are easy to get since they are normally only a small deviation from the mission although they normally are slightly harder than the mission. Cantha ones are done with the mission. Tryia ones are longer than the others but they are also considerably easier to get.
It would help reduce Bots and It would give the protector title a purpose/effect
MithranArkanere
The only problem I see is that most people look only for Hard Mode Missions, so If you want extras or master rewards in normal, you will rarely find an human group.
cyberjanet
/not signed
It's a bit like saying only those who have protector titles can play GWEN.
Hard Mode, in case anyone hasn't noticed, is Anet's 6-monthly campaign update. Expansion. Whatever you want to call it.
It's a bit like saying only those who have protector titles can play GWEN.
Hard Mode, in case anyone hasn't noticed, is Anet's 6-monthly campaign update. Expansion. Whatever you want to call it.
Alaris
You can't beat the mime! Ha!
"You're going down, silent clown!"
That was my favorite part! Sure, I spend some time learning the emotes from wiki, and got past that. If it's the last mission to master for you, then do it, and good luck
As for hard mode restrictions:
/so not signed ever what were you thinking
As it is, you have to finish the campaign which does give you an idea of the missions involved, and starting a new character is no reason to be forced to start from scratch.
I'm de facto against character-elitism, as much as possible should be account based for those of us playing multiple characters.
"You're going down, silent clown!"
That was my favorite part! Sure, I spend some time learning the emotes from wiki, and got past that. If it's the last mission to master for you, then do it, and good luck
As for hard mode restrictions:
/so not signed ever what were you thinking
As it is, you have to finish the campaign which does give you an idea of the missions involved, and starting a new character is no reason to be forced to start from scratch.
I'm de facto against character-elitism, as much as possible should be account based for those of us playing multiple characters.