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qdq_swi

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2007

TAS

Rt/Me

07 May 2007 at 13:19 - 1

OK, my monk is about 43 hours old now, and that week + couple of days, ive spent healing / buying armour and equip / farming.

NOW... i like my monk, but i just dont think healing cuts it anymore... its just too easy!

(especially in pve).

So... im in some outpost... ie kamadan, and i see a rly rich monk with full fow and amazing stuff etc etc... and i ask them, u a prot or healer? Most say that they prot.

SO i go and buy some prot skills and say... how do i make this build work / be affective? Tbh, i have no clue... when healing i just use this :

signet of rejuvination
glimmer of light
orison of healing
jameis gaze
healing seed
dissmiss condition
healing touch
rebirth

and so... im asking all u pro / experianced protmonks for some tips / advice, and perhaps giv me the best prot all-rounder build... (pve, pvp, ab)

u can pm me in - game any time... IGN > Make Me Heal Ffs

thx for reading my thread (if u did),

qdq.

Cebe

The 5th Celestial Boss

Join Date: Jul 2006

Inverness, Scotland

The Cult of Scaro [WHO]

E/

07 May 2007 at 15:44 - 2

I use the following for PvE:

[skill]Life Sheath[/skill][skill]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill][skill]Aegis[/skill][skill]Heaven's Delight[/skill][skill]Reversal of Fortune[/skill][skill]Guardian[/skill][skill]Dismiss Condition[/skill][skill]Resurrection Chant[/skill]

I switch the elite depending what I'm doing, sometimes I take Shield of Regeneration...whatever will be most useful. I will often replace Heaven's Delight with Signet of Devotion or Spirit Bond.

in Alliance Battles I usually run something like this:

[skill]Divert Hexes[/skill][skill]Gift of Health[/skill][skill]Reversal of Fortune[/skill][skill]Guardian[/skill][skill]Dismiss Condition[/skill][skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Dash[/skill][skill]Recall[/skill]

bog boy

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

pxks

R/E

07 May 2007 at 15:52 - 3

tbh with ya the reason the monk has lots of money will be either 55ing ,5 man bonder or they will have a different character that they farm with.

their are people that cant play in a group for their life (they just solo everything)

caeleth

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

Norway

Violent Desire [RAGE]

Mo/

07 May 2007 at 16:25 - 4

I wouldnt really call myself a pro prot monk, but have been using a prot/heal hybrid quite a lot lately to go with my LoD/WoH hero...

Your build will depend a lot on whether you're the only monk or not.

If you've got a full heal monk with you, you should be taking cond removal (dismiss), hex removal (veil is nice), a heal (that can be used on self) and rest prot skills. shield of absorption, spirit bond, reversal of fortune and guardian are the essential prot skills - a combo of 2-3 of these will be on almost every prot monk's skillbar (& possibly prot spirit). you should experiment a bit with these and find out which ones you prefer. personally i prefer sb and either guardian or soa (or both if im not taking a cap sig/veil

).

the most used elites for pve are probably zealous benediction, life sheath and shield of regeneration. i usually swop between zb (if i have dunk with LoD with me) and life sheath (if dunk is running woh or im with a heal monk i trust) - mostly because I usually can't be bothered to bring e-management skills other than a sig of devotion/rejuvenation.

Generally my skillbar looks sth like this atm (sry dunno how to use the fancy skill pics...):
sig of devotion, dismiss condition, guardian/soa, spirit bond, zealous benediction/life sheath, gift of health, holy veil, rebirth.

olly123

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

sh*tvill england

tgc

Mo/

07 May 2007 at 18:15 - 5

normaly, a prot monk, looks around his sourondings to see what hes going to fight, so if its going to b condtions he'll use [skill]Restore Condition[/skill] if its hevey hex he'll go [skill]Divert Hexes[/skill] or if its jsut mainly damage he'll go [skill]Zealous Benediction[/skill] or [skill]Life Sheath[/skill],[skill]Blessed Light[/skill], [skill]Shield of Deflection[/skill] or [skill]Shield of Regeneration[/skill].

now the main body of the protection monk normaly consits of
[skill]Deny Hexes[/skill][skill]Divine Intervention[/skill][skill]Signet of Devotion[/skill][skill]Gift of Health[/skill][skill]Aegis[/skill][skill]Dismiss Condition[/skill][skill]Guardian[/skill][skill]Mending Touch[/skill][skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Reversal of Fortune[/skill][skill]Shield of Absorption[/skill][skill]Shielding Hands[/skill][skill]Spirit Bond[/skill][skill]Holy Veil[/skill], tho not needed so much with divert

i myself norlay run divert/ZB, i prefer divert cos its jsut legenndery :P. heres my normal bar

[skill]Divert Hexes[/skill][skill]Gift of Health[/skill][skill]Dismiss Condition[/skill][skill]Shield of Absorption[/skill][skill]Reversal of Fortune[/skill][skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Holy Veil[/skill][skill]Rebirth[/skill]

healing 9
divine 9
protection 16

if im in a guild group i prefer [skill]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill] over [skill]Rebirth[/skill] hands down, because i trust them, but i always take [skill]Rebirth[/skill] in pugs. i also prefer [skill]Shield of Absorption[/skill] over [skill]Shielding Hands[/skill], cos id rather reducer dam to 0 rather than by 17, and also i prefer [skill]Protective Spirit[/skill] over [skill]Spirit Bond[/skill], A cos of the durenation and because im not very good at prodicting 60+dam, so most of the time its failer.

but the one thing a protection monk must learn is to observe the battle field and not watch the red bars go up or down!!!!!

and soem worth moves in PVP r [skill]Deadly Riposte[/skill], i killed a war with this one :P, frenzy = 120dam

, take a tactics shild and pup 9 tactics, then u gain 16 armor + do 60 dam, u can also runin a sins combo with this. also

[skill]Recall[/skill][skill]Dash[/skill][skill]Dark Escape[/skill][skill]Death's Retreat[/skill]and[skill]Return[/skill], u show that sin its not nice to scare u with his amazing tele powers :P

qdq_swi

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2007

TAS

Rt/Me

07 May 2007 at 18:24 - 6

Quote:

Originally Posted by olly123

normaly, a prot monk, looks around his sourondings to see what hes going to fight, so if its going to b condtions he'll use [skill]Restore Condition[/skill] if its hevey hex he'll go [skill]Divert Hexes[/skill] or if its jsut mainly damage he'll go [skill]Zealous Benediction[/skill] or [skill]Life Sheath[/skill],[skill]Blessed Light[/skill], [skill]Shield of Deflection[/skill] or [skill]Shield of Regeneration[/skill].

now the main body of the protection monk normaly consits of
[skill]Deny Hexes[/skill][skill]Divine Intervention[/skill][skill]Signet of Devotion[/skill][skill]Gift of Health[/skill][skill]Aegis[/skill][skill]Dismiss Condition[/skill][skill]Guardian[/skill][skill]Mending Touch[/skill][skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Reversal of Fortune[/skill][skill]Shield of Absorption[/skill][skill]Shielding Hands[/skill][skill]Spirit Bond[/skill][skill]Holy Veil[/skill], tho not needed so much with divert

i myself norlay run divert/ZB, i prefer divert cos its jsut legenndery :P. heres my normal bar

[skill]Divert Hexes[/skill][skill]Gift of Health[/skill][skill]Dismiss Condition[/skill][skill]Shield of Absorption[/skill][skill]Reversal of Fortune[/skill][skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Holy Veil[/skill][skill]Rebirth[/skill]

healing 9
divine 9
protection 16

if im in a guild group i prefer [skill]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill] over [skill]Rebirth[/skill] hands down, because i trust them, but i always take [skill]Rebirth[/skill] in pugs. i also prefer [skill]Shield of Absorption[/skill] over [skill]Shielding Hands[/skill], cos id rather reducer dam to 0 rather than by 17, and also i prefer [skill]Protective Spirit[/skill] over [skill]Spirit Bond[/skill], A cos of the durenation and because im not very good at prodicting 60+dam, so most of the time its failer.

but the one thing a protection monk must learn is to observe the battle field and not watch the red bars go up or down!!!!!

and soem worth moves in PVP r [skill]Deadly Riposte[/skill], i killed a war with this one :P, frenzy = 120dam

, take a tactics shild and pup 9 tactics, then u gain 16 armor + do 60 dam, u can also runin a sins combo with this. also

[skill]Recall[/skill][skill]Dash[/skill][skill]Dark Escape[/skill][skill]Death's Retreat[/skill]and[skill]Return[/skill], u show that sin its not nice to scare u with his amazing tele powers :P this has reeeaally been a help, too bad there isnt a + rep button or wtv, if there was youd get + for sure, this is the answer to alot of questions.

ty vm again, qdq.

p.s. i also learned how to put a skill in text from ur quote

i dunno about how good this build is, but i just made it from what i found out from youre posts, which have helped alot.

[skill]Reversal of Fortune[/skill][skill]Shield of Absorption[/skill][skill]Shielding Hands[/skill][skill]Gift of Health[/skill][skill]Life Sheath[/skill][skill]Inspired Hex[/skill][skill]Dismiss Condition[/skill][skill]Rebirth[/skill]

plz post feed back on whether u think its completly useless, or Ok.

2 things though. i dont know why aegis is thought of so fondly, and i also dont know how u benefit from prot spirit, if these 2 things could be explained id b rly happy.

And LOL i cant beleive a war would keep attacking if uve got a riposte... LOL, il laugh at this for a bit, hope u dont mind.

i like the build u use alot. u get a free slot for something else instead of a hex removal, really convinent, il look into where u cap that.

matti90

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

ym

Mo/

07 May 2007 at 18:35 - 7

I dare to say RC is the hottest prot elite around right now, for ab, pve, whatever.For ab I usually run:

[skill]Restore Condition[/skill][skill]Reversal of fortune[/skill][skill]Gift of health[/skill][skill]Protective spirit[/skill][skill]mending touch[/skill] OPTIONAL [skill]Return[/skill][skill]dark escape[/skill]

Optional is usually Shielding hands/shield of absorption but in some rare cases I take a hex removal, usually holy veil.

Cant remember the attributes from the top of my head but RC heals for 63(i think) each condition and gift heals for 114. Shadow Arts at 8.
Hope this helped at least a bit.

qdq_swi

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2007

TAS

Rt/Me

08 May 2007 at 07:53 - 8

*sigh*

is it me or are all monk elite skills either hard to cap or far in a chapter.... Zzzz divert hexes = alkali plain *sob*

have to go through vabbi again... bah il buy a tome prob, but anyway.. why are aegis and prot spirit used so much?

Thom Bangalter

Grindin'

Join Date: Dec 2005

MO

E/Mo

08 May 2007 at 10:36 - 9

Just run an LoD bar for now then. Its not very far in nf and is the most efficient heal in the game.

aegis is prot for dummies, and gives everyone on radar a 50% chance to block attacks, and prot spirit gets huge returns as far as damage reduction is concerned, particularly as mob damage numbers increase.

Here's a sample bar:

LoD/heal other/reversal of fortune/dismiss condition/dwayna's kiss/prot spirit/glyph of lesser energy/aegis.

It's pretty prot-light, since I can't think of any bar that is 14 prot/13 divine, because even if you're really good at protting, you still need the ability to make red bars go up. Hence you see skills like gift of Health on prot bars. You can drop aegis for a self defense skill like disciplined stance, soldier's defense, dark escape, etc, but aegis is really really good in pve.

ca_aok

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Xen of Onslaught

E/Me

08 May 2007 at 11:13 - 10

ZB+RoF can get those red bars up without gift.

olly123

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

sh*tvill england

tgc

Mo/

08 May 2007 at 18:17 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by qdq_swi

this has reeeaally been a help, too bad there isnt a + rep button or wtv, if there was youd get + for sure, this is the answer to alot of questions.

ty vm again, qdq.

p.s. i also learned how to put a skill in text from ur quote

i dunno about how good this build is, but i just made it from what i found out from youre posts, which have helped alot.

[skill]Reversal of Fortune[/skill][skill]Shield of Absorption[/skill][skill]Shielding Hands[/skill][skill]Gift of Health[/skill][skill]Life Sheath[/skill][skill]Inspired Hex[/skill][skill]Dismiss Condition[/skill][skill]Rebirth[/skill]

plz post feed back on whether u think its completly useless, or Ok.

2 things though. i dont know why aegis is thought of so fondly, and i also dont know how u benefit from prot spirit, if these 2 things could be explained id b rly happy.

And LOL i cant beleive a war would keep attacking if uve got a riposte... LOL, il laugh at this for a bit, hope u dont mind.

i like the build u use alot. u get a free slot for something else instead of a hex removal, really convinent, il look into where u cap that. cheers dude it makes me feel pleased,

aegis isnt the dummies protect, it basicly a heal party equiverlent, u can stop 5-% of dam of all party members for 5 energy, if u use glyph of lesser energy. how can u h8 it. and PS is amazing, say ur fighting the ele boss with invoke lightning, u can have 3 of u team die in one move can u, so PS the squisies and ther eu have it there only take 60 dam rather than 400. both very nice and both shoudl b included

thom, u havea nice hybrid, niver tryed LoD/protect, does it work?
and i like ZB but theres better alternatives ca_aok

Alleji

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

08 May 2007 at 18:54 - 12

Note: Whenever I mention PvE, I'm talking about hard mode, since in easy mode PvE you can run a healing breeze spammer and still succeed.

Life Sheath is bad. I'd say even "horrible" To put it simply... it negates 150 damage. In HM, RoF often negates 150 damage. Plus, RoF casts faster and recharges faster.

Prot Spirit is the best skill in HM, hands down and you should have it even if you're running a healing bar. Prot spirit has amazing synergy with spirit bond, but PS should be your first choice and SB only if the other monk has PS already. (In some PvE areas you'd want to run 2+ Prot Spirits anyway, such as HM UW.)

LoD is a great skill, but a pure healing bar is a bad build (prot should negate the bulk of the damage and healing only cleans up what got through). I run this LoD bar on hero monks and it works really well: LoD, Sig of Rejuv, RoF, Prot Spirit, Dwayna's Kiss, Dismiss Condition, Veil, Leech Sig. 14 heal/10 prot/10 divine. On a human monk, you'd probably replace leech sig with something else.

I'm not a fan of ZB since the nerf on energy return, but some monks I know still like to use it when they are monking alone (i.e. 4-man ascalon missions)

Best PvE elites: LoD, Shield of Regen, Shield of Deflection. RC and Divert are situationally good, depending on the area.

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For PvP, the most popular bars are LoD infuse and RC prot. You'll see those two builds in 80% of GvG backlines. Sample bars:

LoD, Infuse Health, Heal Other, Sig of Rejuv, RoF(Orison), Spirit Bond(Prot Spirit), Veil, GoLE

- A lot of people run orison instead of RoF, but personally I hate orison because RoF @ 9 prot does basically the same thing, except against degen. And against degen you should be spamming LoD, not orison anyway.
- SB and PS depend mostly on the monk's personal preference, but you should have both in the build.
- Infuse is not a powerheal. That's what heal other is for. Infuse is a spike-saver and a panic button. Bad monks think they can use infuse as a powerheal and bring something else instead of heal other. Doesn't work.

RC, RoF, Gift of Health, Prot Spirit(Spirit Bond), SoA(Shielding Hands), Veil, GoLE, Aegis.
- PS/SB and SoA/Hands are personal preference.
- If there's no draw conditions in the build, you'll need to drop something for mending touch.

EDIT: Divine Spirit + Deny Hexes is a nice little combo that became popular recently and goes on absolutely any monk bar. Divine Spirit is a pretty bad skill on its own, but it makes Deny into a really good skill. Since Divine Spirit is always recharging, Deny hexes always removes 2 hexes. (You can also take sig of devotion to remove 3 hexes, but it's inconvenient because sig has a 2s cast and recharges quickly... and not a good skill on its own merit)

Tingi

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/

08 May 2007 at 19:16 - 13

If pugging in PvE I quite like:

[skill]Zealous Benediction[/skill][skill]Reversal Of Fortune[/skill][skill]Signet Of Devotion[/skill][skill]Shield Of Absorption[/skill][skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Dismiss Condition[/skill][skill]Deny Hexes[/skill][skill]Rebirth[/skill]

14 Prot
13 Divine

Works pretty well.

However, if I'm in a group with friends/guildies I tend to use:

[skill]Zealous Benediction[/skill][skill]Reversal Of Fortune[/skill][skill]Shield Of Absorption[/skill][skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Dismiss Condition[/skill][skill]Holy Veil[/skill][skill]Aegis[/skill][skill]Glyph Of Lesser Energy[/skill]

qdq_swi

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2007

TAS

Rt/Me

08 May 2007 at 19:52 - 14

i think im gunna play around with glyph of lesser energy and shield of regen some time, the problem is, i havnt got that far yet.

im also thinking of getting zb, i like that fact that it has a low recharge, and heals tons more then gift of health, the only problem im thinking is the energy, i only hav 51 - 66 depending on which weapons i use, if i continusly spam these skills by the time 1 mob is down, il hav run out of energy, that was 1 of the reasons i had inspired hex in my build, what skills can i use to gain energy btw.

i finnally put ps into my build, removed the hex removal, i figured that its not rly usefull unless ur surrounded by mesmers and necros.

ca_aok

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Xen of Onslaught

E/Me

08 May 2007 at 20:58 - 15

Quote:

and i like ZB but theres better alternatives ca_aok I never said there weren't, I was just using it as an example of a bar that can be run with 14prot/13divine and no gift of health.

My personal bar looks like this:
[skill]Restore Condition[/skill][skill]Signet of Devotion[/skill][skill]Reversal of Fortune[/skill][skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Shield of Absorption[/skill][skill]Deny Hexes[/skill][skill]Channeling[/skill][skill]Rebirth[/skill]

If you don't feel the need for a rez you can bring:
[skill]Power Drain[/skill] or [skill]Guardian[/skill]