I hope someone can still give me some advice/guidance as to what i should choose
Thanks!
What bow is good for a Barrager?
TarcellaCella
What bow is best suited for a Barrager? I'm sorry, but i really can't be anymore specific than that
I hope someone can still give me some advice/guidance as to what i should choose
Thanks!
I hope someone can still give me some advice/guidance as to what i should choose
Thanks!
GoodEnoughForMe
Perfect Max Vampiric Flatbow of Fortitude.
For Green's, Drago's Vampiric Flatbow works well. Use something like favorable winds to reduce arc, and then you have a fast firing, long rage bow.
For Green's, Drago's Vampiric Flatbow works well. Use something like favorable winds to reduce arc, and then you have a fast firing, long rage bow.
yarddog
although a vamp bow is very nice for barrage, i find sometimes that energy becomes a concern. i prefer to use a zealous modded bow, longbow,storm,flat, whatever your preference is.
i have been playing a splinter ranger lately and with the energy cost of splinter/barrage and a zealous bow, i have no issues with energy. just my 2 cents worth. have fun
i have been playing a splinter ranger lately and with the energy cost of splinter/barrage and a zealous bow, i have no issues with energy. just my 2 cents worth. have fun
XvArchonvX
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Originally Posted by GoodEnoughForMe
Perfect Max Vampiric Flatbow of Fortitude.
For Green's, Drago's Vampiric Flatbow works well. Use something like favorable winds to reduce arc, and then you have a fast firing, long rage bow. Qft. Zealous really shouldn't be needed imo. Run at least 9 in expertise with 16 in marks of course and if you still have energy problems, then you should rethink the rest of your skill bar or raise expertise.
For Green's, Drago's Vampiric Flatbow works well. Use something like favorable winds to reduce arc, and then you have a fast firing, long rage bow. Qft. Zealous really shouldn't be needed imo. Run at least 9 in expertise with 16 in marks of course and if you still have energy problems, then you should rethink the rest of your skill bar or raise expertise.
milias
I used to run 16 Marks and 15 Exp, and had no problems with energy whatsoever, even with other skills thrown in, like Distracting and Savage and Comfort. I now run with 13 Exp, and still have no problems with energy for the most part, unless it's a really protracted battle, and I have to spam Distracting and Savage and Comfort all at the same time. So I'd say you probably want to have Exp at 13, even 9 is a bit low, depending on your build.
EDIT: I use a Vampiric Flatbow of Fortitude, by the way. Sometimes I also use a Sundering Stormbow of Fortitude or Vampiric Mursaat Hornbow of Fortitude, mostly for the look.
EDIT: I use a Vampiric Flatbow of Fortitude, by the way. Sometimes I also use a Sundering Stormbow of Fortitude or Vampiric Mursaat Hornbow of Fortitude, mostly for the look.
Nkah Sennyt
I prefer either a hornbow or a recurve bow - I'd rather fire my shots faster with a longer range, than fire them slower with great range [and more misses!]. Definitely vampiric. For attributes, I usually go 11+1+3 expertise and 11+1 marks.
Epinephrine
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Originally Posted by Nkah Sennyt
I prefer either a hornbow or a recurve bow - I'd rather fire my shots faster with a longer range, than fire them slower with great range [and more misses!]. Definitely vampiric. For attributes, I usually go 11+1+3 expertise and 11+1 marks.
This makes no sense. The above posters have said Flatbow (longest range, highest RoF) and you are choosing bows with lower RoF AND lower ranges, but saying you like long ranges and firing fast? Maybe I'm missing what you mean?
Max DPS via Barrage is a short or flat bow. Flat bow gets you extra range, but you may miss more shots. I use a flatbow myself, and have several to choose from (Fiery/Enchanting, Zealous, Vampiric).
Max DPS via Barrage is a short or flat bow. Flat bow gets you extra range, but you may miss more shots. I use a flatbow myself, and have several to choose from (Fiery/Enchanting, Zealous, Vampiric).
SnipiousMax
Flatbow/shortbow is the best choice for Barraging, barring use of an IAS because they give the quickest barrages. But it is not a stretch at all to use an IAS, in which case the inate AP of a Hornbow makes up for the slow refire rate. Flail for example, is very easy to use with a Barrage build,.
Nkah Sennyt
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Originally Posted by Epinephrine
This makes no sense. The above posters have said Flatbow (longest range, highest RoF) and you are choosing bows with lower RoF AND lower ranges, but saying you like long ranges and firing fast? Maybe I'm missing what you mean?
Max DPS via Barrage is a short or flat bow. Flat bow gets you extra range, but you may miss more shots. I use a flatbow myself, and have several to choose from (Fiery/Enchanting, Zealous, Vampiric). I was dumb and for some reason was thinking flatbow = longbow or something. I had just woken up, takes awhile to lose my stupid. >.>
Max DPS via Barrage is a short or flat bow. Flat bow gets you extra range, but you may miss more shots. I use a flatbow myself, and have several to choose from (Fiery/Enchanting, Zealous, Vampiric). I was dumb and for some reason was thinking flatbow = longbow or something. I had just woken up, takes awhile to lose my stupid. >.>
Firestone
used to use a flatbow for barrage... but changed to longbow / recurve...
the miss rate is too high for comfort, especially in HM, where the monsters run fast.
EDIT:
For Ranger primary: Use either vamp, sundering string
For Ranger secondary (4e pip): Use Zealous string
For Ranger secondary (2e pip): Tell me again.. why are u making a barrager? o.0;
the miss rate is too high for comfort, especially in HM, where the monsters run fast.
EDIT:
For Ranger primary: Use either vamp, sundering string
For Ranger secondary (4e pip): Use Zealous string
For Ranger secondary (2e pip): Tell me again.. why are u making a barrager? o.0;
Orange Milk
I run splinter weapon/barrage at 9 expertise and never have an E problem.
Barrage is 8+1 expertise all day, only time I ever go higher is if I'm soloing with that vig spirit/live vicariously build, but then the 12 in exp is to make my stances last longer, not for the barraging.
I barrage with a Vamp, depending on the situation, either short, long or Shadow.
Higher exp that marks I really don't see as a good Idea, but I guess doing less dmg you need more expertise for Energy as the battle will last alot longer.
Barrage is 8+1 expertise all day, only time I ever go higher is if I'm soloing with that vig spirit/live vicariously build, but then the 12 in exp is to make my stances last longer, not for the barraging.
I barrage with a Vamp, depending on the situation, either short, long or Shadow.
Higher exp that marks I really don't see as a good Idea, but I guess doing less dmg you need more expertise for Energy as the battle will last alot longer.
Sophitia Leafblade
I barrage with sundering normally, Vampiric on High AL areas and Elemental when using Conjures. Ive yet to have any energy issues and so ive never used a Zealous mod.
Longbow/Flatbow for long ranged Barraging, Hornbow/shortbow for closer range barraging (increased fire-rate and damage)
Longbow/Flatbow for long ranged Barraging, Hornbow/shortbow for closer range barraging (increased fire-rate and damage)
bungusmaximus
What's the big deal anyways with sundering bows? I don't know exact numbers but a small chance for an armor piercing hit on a bow isn't exactly spectacular imo.
XvArchonvX
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What's the big deal anyways with sundering bows? I don't know exact numbers but a small chance for an armor piercing hit on a bow isn't exactly spectacular imo.
Most people use it as a crutch when they aren't comfortable with weapon swapping. Others just use it as a weapon to switch to when they switch off their vamp weapon.
Ishtar Serket
Any type of Vampiric Bow really. If you need a zealous bow with barrage your Expertise is obviously too low. I can easily spam Barrage in areas where there's no break in battle for stretches of time (Vizunah for example) without any real energy issues so just take a vamp bow. The range of the weapon doesn't matter too much although if your marksmanship is lower, you'll want a bow thats closer range so you don't miss as much.
bungusmaximus
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Originally Posted by XvArchonvX
Most people use it as a crutch when they aren't comfortable with weapon swapping. Others just use it as a weapon to switch to when they switch off their vamp weapon.
ROFLMBO that's just sick, people are selling Urgoz' Longbow for 100k + ectos while it has more or less the crappiest mods in the game 
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Jetdoc
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ROFLMBO that's just sick, people are selling Urgoz' Longbow for 100k + ectos while it has more or less the crappiest mods in the game .
It sells for so much because of the awesome appearance.
The same can be said for the Mursaat Hornbow, which is probably the worst bow in the game (functionality wise).
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It sells for so much because of the awesome appearance.The same can be said for the Mursaat Hornbow, which is probably the worst bow in the game (functionality wise).
XvArchonvX
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ROFLMBO that's just sick, people are selling Urgoz' Longbow for 100k + ectos while it has more or less the crappiest mods in the game .
I wouldn't say it's the crappiest mod in the game. When I go B/P I bring a Vampiric Flatbow and a Sundering Longbow. When Fav Winds drops and enemies are moving, when I am not attacking or when I am under a lot of fire I switch to the longbow. The dps is less, but it's something reliable to use at the right times.
Also, Urgoz's Longbow has one of the best skins for a bow in the game imo.
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I wouldn't say it's the crappiest mod in the game. When I go B/P I bring a Vampiric Flatbow and a Sundering Longbow. When Fav Winds drops and enemies are moving, when I am not attacking or when I am under a lot of fire I switch to the longbow. The dps is less, but it's something reliable to use at the right times.Also, Urgoz's Longbow has one of the best skins for a bow in the game imo.
Ishtar Serket
Like they said, the mods are pretty much inconsequential with the Longbow since people get it for its skin. I have one that I use often when I'm using an energy intensive build. It fits well with my 15k Druid's armour as well, sort of a matching pair. The price for them is for the unique skin, nothing more.
Coloneh
flatbows are best with barrage. usually vampiric but zealous if you have low expertise.
Grammar
hmmm...
I don't think anyone has mentioned the issue of synergy between barrage's recharge and the refire rate of your bow. Because what good is it to have a bow that fires faster if it doesn't sync up perfectly with barrage?
From my experience, short bows and flat bows (2.0 fire rate) are nothing but wasted speed. You'll start your next attack (pull back the string of your bow) before barrage is ready again, and when you click barrage you'll just restart the attack from scratch (restart the pull all over again). The result is a little "juke" effect, kind of like a pump fake before you actually take the shot.
*The extra speed from your bow is meaningless, because your rate of fire is determined by barrage and not your bow, assuming of course you want every shot your fire to be a barrage as is usually the case.
I find the 2.4 second bows to sync up perfectly with barrage, so I bring a longbow for range and a recurve for interrupts.
I don't think anyone has mentioned the issue of synergy between barrage's recharge and the refire rate of your bow. Because what good is it to have a bow that fires faster if it doesn't sync up perfectly with barrage?
From my experience, short bows and flat bows (2.0 fire rate) are nothing but wasted speed. You'll start your next attack (pull back the string of your bow) before barrage is ready again, and when you click barrage you'll just restart the attack from scratch (restart the pull all over again). The result is a little "juke" effect, kind of like a pump fake before you actually take the shot.
*The extra speed from your bow is meaningless, because your rate of fire is determined by barrage and not your bow, assuming of course you want every shot your fire to be a barrage as is usually the case.
I find the 2.4 second bows to sync up perfectly with barrage, so I bring a longbow for range and a recurve for interrupts.
XvArchonvX
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Originally Posted by Grammar
hmmm...
I don't think anyone has mentioned the issue of synergy between barrage's recharge and the refire rate of your bow. Because what good is it to have a bow that fires faster if it doesn't sync up perfectly with barrage?
From my experience, short bows and flat bows (2.0 fire rate) are nothing but wasted speed. You'll start your next attack (pull back the string of your bow) before barrage is ready again, and when you click barrage you'll just restart the attack from scratch (restart the pull all over again). The result is a little "juke" effect, kind of like a pump fake before you actually take the shot.
*The extra speed from your bow is meaningless, because your rate of fire is determined by barrage and not your bow, assuming of course you want every shot your fire to be a barrage as is usually the case.
I find the 2.4 second bows to sync up perfectly with barrage, so I bring a longbow for range and a recurve for interrupts. Breaking your animation when using barrage does not mean you have a lower attack speed. There have been numerous tests on bows along with their dps in conjunction with Barrage (Snipious can attest to this, as he has carried out many of these). The results that have generally agreed upon is that a Flatbow or shortbow will give the highest dps when used alone and a hornbow gives the best dps with an IAS as Snipious said in his post.
I don't think anyone has mentioned the issue of synergy between barrage's recharge and the refire rate of your bow. Because what good is it to have a bow that fires faster if it doesn't sync up perfectly with barrage?
From my experience, short bows and flat bows (2.0 fire rate) are nothing but wasted speed. You'll start your next attack (pull back the string of your bow) before barrage is ready again, and when you click barrage you'll just restart the attack from scratch (restart the pull all over again). The result is a little "juke" effect, kind of like a pump fake before you actually take the shot.
*The extra speed from your bow is meaningless, because your rate of fire is determined by barrage and not your bow, assuming of course you want every shot your fire to be a barrage as is usually the case.
I find the 2.4 second bows to sync up perfectly with barrage, so I bring a longbow for range and a recurve for interrupts. Breaking your animation when using barrage does not mean you have a lower attack speed. There have been numerous tests on bows along with their dps in conjunction with Barrage (Snipious can attest to this, as he has carried out many of these). The results that have generally agreed upon is that a Flatbow or shortbow will give the highest dps when used alone and a hornbow gives the best dps with an IAS as Snipious said in his post.
Starfire Crystalite
ZEALOUS BOWS FTW...i always use a zealous bow for all of my ranger builds anyway though
Lurid
Honestly zealous bows seem very useless, I mean you have expertise for a reason. Might aswell get some extra DPS out of your bow.
SnipiousMax
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I think you were the one that brought this up last time we had a Barrage/Bow question, and the response is the same. The break in attack animation is not enough to slow down a flat/short bow sufficiently that a more 'in sync' bow will out preform them. I've lost the links to the threads where we tested this, but it's not that hard to try it out on your own.
Kas
<3 Cold based bows on a R/D
Lourens
Lissen to the pro ranger 
If you have a flatbow you might have some energy problems cuase the fire speed
But if u carry a Hornbow u wont have energy problems because it fires slower
and the 10% AP will let u make the same amount of damage as a flatbow
So the Mursaat Hornbow isnt a bad bow at all
Hope this helps
If you have a flatbow you might have some energy problems cuase the fire speed
But if u carry a Hornbow u wont have energy problems because it fires slower
and the 10% AP will let u make the same amount of damage as a flatbow
So the Mursaat Hornbow isnt a bad bow at all
Hope this helps
Sir Mad
Am I the only kamikaze who went for r3 survivor with a vamp shortbow here?
Concerning the energy problem, assuming you go with 9 expertise, your energy concerns depends on how often you use your "secondary" skills, especially Savage Shot. if you spam it as soon as it recharges, which I use to do most of the time, then you will have energy problems and some kind of zealous bow in another slot is welcome. But if you keep spamming barrage all the time and use savage/distracting one time per fight or so then you cannot run out of energy (provided you're not weakened, QZ isnt up, you're not fighting those annoying spirit shackles thingies in North kryta, etc).
Otherwise, yeah hornbow with an IAS, flatbow without (with a long/composite bow fir when FW is down) or just.... a shortbow.
EDIT - Lourens: flatbows without an IAS do have a higher DPS than hornbows.
Concerning the energy problem, assuming you go with 9 expertise, your energy concerns depends on how often you use your "secondary" skills, especially Savage Shot. if you spam it as soon as it recharges, which I use to do most of the time, then you will have energy problems and some kind of zealous bow in another slot is welcome. But if you keep spamming barrage all the time and use savage/distracting one time per fight or so then you cannot run out of energy (provided you're not weakened, QZ isnt up, you're not fighting those annoying spirit shackles thingies in North kryta, etc).
Otherwise, yeah hornbow with an IAS, flatbow without (with a long/composite bow fir when FW is down) or just.... a shortbow.
EDIT - Lourens: flatbows without an IAS do have a higher DPS than hornbows.
Eldin
I use Elswyth's Recurve Bow.
Though I'd say any sort of vampiric bow would work.
Though I'd say any sort of vampiric bow would work.
eat-mcdonalds-and-die
how about Fiery recurve bow + Mark of Rodgort(maybe be use glyph of lesser energy with it)?
Winston
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how about Fiery recurve bow + Mark of Rodgort(maybe be use glyph of lesser energy with it)?
The 'Rodgort Ranger' is alot of fun, but uses alot of energy so a Glyph of some sort and as high Expertise as possible is good.
To OP, I primarily use a Vamp Flatbow for Barraging and Sundering Longbow (Storm Bow, just for the skin really) for general use and a bit of barraging. Probably going to put a Fiery on the Storm Bow as I feel it is more usefull than sundering.
To OP, I primarily use a Vamp Flatbow for Barraging and Sundering Longbow (Storm Bow, just for the skin really) for general use and a bit of barraging. Probably going to put a Fiery on the Storm Bow as I feel it is more usefull than sundering.
- Nixo -
Im Playing a Splinter Barrager alot, but then is still dont need a zealous bow that often. I have it in my second slot so if im low ill take it with the +5 energy inherent mod. Most of the time the fight is over before my energy runs out so i can regen. Conclusion: Zealous is only needed for backup.
Nico
Nico
Cirian
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Originally Posted by Firestone
For Ranger secondary (2e pip): Tell me again.. why are u making a barrager? o.0;
Hmm... Paragon/Ranger with Zealous Anthem and adrenal shouts for e-man? Ya never know..!
Ya never know..!
samcobra
i'd go with a vamp bow of some sort. of course, as a ranger, you should be able to interrupt shit, so a recurve is nice, even though aftercast on barrage = teh suxxors for interrupt. Either way, vamp bows are amazing dps. As for conjure, you can def. conjure with a vamp bow, just bring conflrag
Kaleban
So something like Vah's Hornbow while under an IAS is pefect?
I'm building a ranger atm, and will probably Barrage at some point lol. I've got a nice inscribeable Azure Recurve I was thinking of making my "interrupt" bow, then grabbing a short bow of some sort for Barraging. Tundoss's bow seems like a good choice for a barrage short bow.
But with the speed of enemies in HM, I'm loathe to use innacurate bows. Should one look at bows and judge them only on their merits, or take into account skills like FW? Seems to me that the Recurve would be best in most any situation, given its range being larger than the aggro circle, having the best accuracy, and being only 0.4 seconds slower than the short/flat. I guess the question is that for the general player (PvE), are the differences THAT noticeable, or does human reaction time and/or server lag sort of equalize out the differences?
I'm building a ranger atm, and will probably Barrage at some point lol. I've got a nice inscribeable Azure Recurve I was thinking of making my "interrupt" bow, then grabbing a short bow of some sort for Barraging. Tundoss's bow seems like a good choice for a barrage short bow.
But with the speed of enemies in HM, I'm loathe to use innacurate bows. Should one look at bows and judge them only on their merits, or take into account skills like FW? Seems to me that the Recurve would be best in most any situation, given its range being larger than the aggro circle, having the best accuracy, and being only 0.4 seconds slower than the short/flat. I guess the question is that for the general player (PvE), are the differences THAT noticeable, or does human reaction time and/or server lag sort of equalize out the differences?
Marverick
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how about Fiery recurve bow + Mark of Rodgort(maybe be use glyph of lesser energy with it)?
Yea but then you won't benefit from Orders.
And Burning is better left off to SF eles or Paragons and stuff.
And Burning is better left off to SF eles or Paragons and stuff.