HGL fans hates us:(
Lawnmower
The reason news of the other ex-blizzard guys game, Hellgate Lodon which will have an optional monthly fee of 10 dollars a month, has had many people scream that they should do it like Guild Wars, so one of their moderators took it upon himself to show everyone how much HGL pwns guild wars: http://www.hellgateguru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3878
Sectus
Well, that list is a bit silly 
, almost all points are extreme exaggerations. I suppose the writer just can't comprehend 2 good similar games can co-exist (although I'm personally not looking that much forward to Hellgate... I got tired of buttonmashing in Diablo).
, almost all points are extreme exaggerations. I suppose the writer just can't comprehend 2 good similar games can co-exist (although I'm personally not looking that much forward to Hellgate... I got tired of buttonmashing in Diablo).
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I guess he showed us. That was impressive. Yet another reason not to play HGL added to my list.
ZenRgy
Guild Wars is a PvP-focused game.
Hellgate: London is a PvE-focused game.
That point alone tells me HGL sucks.
Hellgate: London is a PvE-focused game.
That point alone tells me HGL sucks.
Agyar
So some HGL fan forum moderator attempts to highlight the differences between GW and HGL (where he gets a few things wrong but that's really irrelevant). There's really nothing in that post trying to show "how much HGL pwns Guild Wars".
And what if a few fanboys wave their flag, most of the jerks posting on this forum are annoying bastards who can't get over telling everyone how crappy WoW is. Or at least they were, until most of them quit GW and started playing WoW. Go figure.
At any rate, this thread is pointless, why would anyone even care.
Edit: In the time it took me to write this post, I was preceeded by at least two fanboys touting why the linked thread proves that HGL will suck. Oh the irony.
And what if a few fanboys wave their flag, most of the jerks posting on this forum are annoying bastards who can't get over telling everyone how crappy WoW is. Or at least they were, until most of them quit GW and started playing WoW. Go figure.
At any rate, this thread is pointless, why would anyone even care.
Edit: In the time it took me to write this post, I was preceeded by at least two fanboys touting why the linked thread proves that HGL will suck. Oh the irony.
ShadowsRequiem
lol its just a bunch of stupid computer geek blowhearts trying to promote their game.
I say RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO them
I say RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO them
ellandra
the list is soooo stupid. Apart from anything, it says HGL is way beyond guild wars scope... well i mean come on... guild wars is two years old now, HGL isnt even released!! It's a brand new game so yeah i'd be a bit shocked if it had nothing new to offer.
Other than that, half the things he says are bent towards his preference.
gw can be played first person too...
um yes but it also has wasd movement, and to me more options = better as you're gonna appeal to more styles of play.
If i had a cookie for everytime i've heard this from a game that's not even been released... well i'd have a lot of cookies tbh.
He just sounds like an angry angry man. It's fair enough to say they are two different games, but he'd have sounded a lot more intelligent if he pointed out different styles of game, different kind of play style.
Other than that, half the things he says are bent towards his preference.
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Guild Wars is played in a 3rd person "From-the-Back" perspective. Hellgate: London can be played in first or third person perspective |
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| Hellgate: London features a subscription-based model, cheaper than most traditional MMOs to enhance a player's gaming experience, as well as fund ongoing content, which will be released twice per month. |
He just sounds like an angry angry man. It's fair enough to say they are two different games, but he'd have sounded a lot more intelligent if he pointed out different styles of game, different kind of play style.
Bankai
Wow. Since when can you only walk by clicking?
Next time I play a game for 1.5 years, please tell me I can only walk by clicking :0
Next time I play a game for 1.5 years, please tell me I can only walk by clicking :0
Domino
Hellgate London starting reeking once the PC Gamer magazine covered it. Talk about an overhyped game.... the graphics look like something that was scraped off the cutting-floor of the Blizzard art department by an intern on his way out the door.
If they can get some idiot to pay 10.00 a month for that, more power to em.
If they can get some idiot to pay 10.00 a month for that, more power to em.
I MP I
LOL Pve based game. GTFO. Oh and this thread is pointless yes.
Lawnmower
I just thought it was interesting giving the similarities.
their community reminds me of GW before its release.
remember how we all thought everything would come true?
does guys dont realise that priorities change and nothing is what it seems. heh.
their community reminds me of GW before its release.
remember how we all thought everything would come true?
does guys dont realise that priorities change and nothing is what it seems. heh.
MSecorsky
I don't think this will affect my sleeping habits what-so-ever.
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Edit: In the time it took me to write this post, I was preceeded by at least two fanboys touting why the linked thread proves that HGL will suck. Oh the irony.
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zwei2stein
HGL looks like traditional level & item grind diablo clone. No matter how much other fluff they add, core gameplay will stink for me.
I kinda lost my interest long time ago when i learned that devs are agaisnt character respecing and love good old diablo model of grind-a-new-char-to-try-a-new-build.
umm, whatever, why did i reply this thread?
I kinda lost my interest long time ago when i learned that devs are agaisnt character respecing and love good old diablo model of grind-a-new-char-to-try-a-new-build.
umm, whatever, why did i reply this thread?
Nekretaal
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Guild Wars instances are permanently set as they are after generation. If a party member leaves, you're RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed. Hellgate: London instances are dynamically adjusted in difficulty based on the number and level of the players inside it. Party members can join in on the fly, or leave on the fly, without affecting the party's ability to advance. |
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Guild Wars requires traditional RPG roles in order to form a party. Without a Monk or two, you better not leave town. Hellgate: London features fully-offensive classes, ready to kick some ass without some buffslave or healbot behind them keeping them alive. With this, many more instances will be generated in a few hours by the same number of players.. |
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Most important difference: Guild Wars featured an "Additional Campaign" scheme for generating more revenue and content. Each campaign was a standalone game, fully operational in and of itself, but each cost $50. Each one was rushed, and the developers more or less felt more lament over the content they could not add, rather than that which they did add (Source: May 2007 PC Gamer).. |
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| One thing to keep in mind: Neither game is free for the developers to run. Both have to generate revenue some way or another. A hidden cost, never shown to the players in Guild Wars, is corporate sponsorship of PvP tournaments. Someone's paying monthly, though the player is not seeing those costs.... |
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However, Hellgate: London and Guild Wars are not the same game. Hellgate: London goes way beyond the scope of Guild Wars', and you can expect the server loads to be quite a bit larger. .... |
Rhedd
I worked on Hellgate: London.
I think that Sulfuric guy is an ass.
Apples, oranges, and fanboys, oh my! ^_^
I think that Sulfuric guy is an ass.
Apples, oranges, and fanboys, oh my! ^_^
Bryant Again
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I worked on Hellgate: London.
I think that Sulfuric guy is an ass. Apples, oranges, and hype, oh my! ^_^ |
The no-respeccing thing is a little annoying, I'll admit. However, I don't think I'll mind as much such any team would be able to work together. Guess we'll wait and see...
Diablo???
That HGL vs GW comparison was highly inaccurate, most of their statements made about GW are biased, and it's obvious they're not fans of Guild Wars, but I don't think we should tip the scale back the other way by making a similarily biased opinion of HGL.
First of all, it's not out yet, so it's technically IMPOSSIBLE to make an accurate comparison. Guild Wars is in review, but HGL is still in preview... it can bomb, or it can be THE bomb, no one knows yet.
Second, it's NOT the same game, just because they're both online does not make them the same game... just because they're both action games (as oppose to non-action?) does not make them the same game... If you can put one of HGL's character in GW, and it would still make perfect sense... then you have the same game.
First of all, it's not out yet, so it's technically IMPOSSIBLE to make an accurate comparison. Guild Wars is in review, but HGL is still in preview... it can bomb, or it can be THE bomb, no one knows yet.
Second, it's NOT the same game, just because they're both online does not make them the same game... just because they're both action games (as oppose to non-action?) does not make them the same game... If you can put one of HGL's character in GW, and it would still make perfect sense... then you have the same game.
Blackest Rose
I laughed.....
And honestly I was looking forward to hellgate london - well if it's subscription then I won't be buying.
That's a pity.
That mod has so many facts wrong it's obvious he hasn't a clue and as for Brag - his picture says it all... obvious fanboy/troll.
How a game that hasn't been released yet can comment on another which has sold 3 million copies and laugh at it is beyond me...
Remember we don't even see the revenue generated by char slots/GOTY extras also.
And honestly I was looking forward to hellgate london - well if it's subscription then I won't be buying.
That's a pity.
That mod has so many facts wrong it's obvious he hasn't a clue and as for Brag - his picture says it all... obvious fanboy/troll.
How a game that hasn't been released yet can comment on another which has sold 3 million copies and laugh at it is beyond me...
Remember we don't even see the revenue generated by char slots/GOTY extras also.
Numa Pompilius
I think the guy with the baby-hitler avatar chose his avatar wisely and accurately.
keli
pathetiiiiiic this guy is absolutely jealous for gw thats all, (i dont think he played with gw, not even with hellgate duh)
AlienFromBeyond
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Originally Posted by zwei2stein
HGL looks like traditional level & item grind diablo clone.
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And anyone who thinks Guild Wars' PvE is anything but pure grind is totally deluding themselves. Titles = ultimate timesink.
Personally, I'm really looking forward to Hellgate: London. I probably won't have any time left over for Guild Wars after it, unless it truly just sucks. Then I'll be going to Mythos. Or Super Smash Brothers Brawl. Or Spore.
Knightsaber Sith
Alright, alright- let's just calm down. Now I'm a regular at GWG and HGG and I can tell you Sulfuric just has a little overzealous fanboy-ism going on. I don't think he's ever actually played GW and the majority of the HG:L community doesn't agree with what he's said.
I now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.
I now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.
Eldin
Wow, sad. I also hate all those other people agreeing. I agree with Diablo - many of those statements are false or biased against us.
Just forget about them. Let them wallow in their squalor.
This is like my friend who can only list stupid reasons for why WoW owns GW, such as:
-NO JUMPING!!
-NOMOUTHMOVINWTF (this was prior to Nightfall)
-No awesum potionz
-NO JUMPING!!
Just forget about them. Let them wallow in their squalor.
This is like my friend who can only list stupid reasons for why WoW owns GW, such as:
-NO JUMPING!!
-NOMOUTHMOVINWTF (this was prior to Nightfall)
-No awesum potionz
-NO JUMPING!!
Miral
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Originally Posted by ZenRgy
Guild Wars is a PvP-focused game.
Hellgate: London is a PvE-focused game. That point alone tells me HGL sucks. |
though I'm not digging the optional subscription to get better gear
lakatz
It's okay lawnmover. It just seems to me that one I-forgot-to-take-my-ritalin-this-morning guy, BrigAce, who said "that sums it up... in lament terms" rather than "layman's terms," that seemed to be really hateful. And I can imagine that as soon as he doesn't get whatever he thinks HGL owes him, he'll hate HGL as well. You know.
And the OP doesn't appear to have spent much time in GW. Some of his points are incorrect... like the one about 1st person mode, for instance. But he doesn't really diss GW like the other posters there do.
Thanks so much for posting that. It was interesting.
RHEDD!
Hi...
I'm curious. What is your specialty in game dev? Or what did you do on HGL anyway? Since you were talking about the graphics looking like cutting room floor product, I'm wondering if you aren't a texture artist or environment designer or something like that?
And the OP doesn't appear to have spent much time in GW. Some of his points are incorrect... like the one about 1st person mode, for instance. But he doesn't really diss GW like the other posters there do.
Thanks so much for posting that. It was interesting.
RHEDD!
Hi...
I'm curious. What is your specialty in game dev? Or what did you do on HGL anyway? Since you were talking about the graphics looking like cutting room floor product, I'm wondering if you aren't a texture artist or environment designer or something like that?
Shadis
Our comments will mean nothing to them. The best thing to do is to save the entire topic from that board, tuck it away somewhere, then throw it back in their faces 4 or 5 months after HGL's release. Right around the time the honeymoon is over and they are all complaining about everything possible in that game.
Knightsaber Sith
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really? tells me HGL might be worth lookin into if the devs are actually about pve over pvp...
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lakatz
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Originally Posted by Shadis
Our comments will mean nothing to them. The best thing to do is to save the entire topic from that board, tuck it away somewhere, then throw it back in their faces 4 or 5 months after HGL's release. Right around the time the honeymoon is over and they are all complaining about everything possible in that game.
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Perspectives are interesting things aren't they... so varied.
Lawnmower
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Originally Posted by Knightsaber Sith
Just to let ya know, the "elite" gear that you can get as a subscriber is only better in appearance, not stats.
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I understood it like, Elite subscribers are able to be more powerful than non paying customers though.
I heard there will be some kind of "soft lvl cap" thing where only paying members can really advance.
From bill ropers words, gamespy article; " If you think of it as more of an MMO, you think "Great, I got this MMO that comes with an offline version that I can play by myself and a whole way to play for free that is basically a trial period that lasts forever, instead of two weeks.""
trial period that lasts forever?
maybe gws server technology is more incredible and uniqe than we ever realised. perhaps no one can do the same thing gw does for us for free.
Spazzer
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Theus
So..you can play the game offline like Diablo 2 huh..
Then I guess that means you have all the means to create duping hacks like that of Diablo 2 too huh..
Yeah.That sounds Subscription worthy.
Then I guess that means you have all the means to create duping hacks like that of Diablo 2 too huh..
Yeah.That sounds Subscription worthy.
Kook~NBK~
I found the guy's credibility shot when he mentioned how many people bought/play GW. After that, I found the whole thing laughable.
But whatever. Neither game has sharks with lazers attached to their heads, so they both must suck.
After that, I found the whole thing laughable.But whatever. Neither game has sharks with lazers attached to their heads, so they both must suck.
Age
Good for them Guild Wars needs more competion to keep their players.
Miral
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Just to let ya know, the "elite" gear that you can get as a subscriber is only better in appearance, not stats.
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as for offline play... that will be great, during times like this when theres huge server problems and 32000ping lag spikes >.<
Spazzer
That Sulfuric guy's constant repeating of "I'll tell you that" kind of reminds me of Larry The Cable Guy and his "I tell you what".
Tenma
Personally, I don't think that the #2 mmorpg on the planet will be outbested that easily. That's just my 2 cents though.
Don't get me wrong, I think that HGL will be a nice MMORPG, just like Titan Quest, that is also a nice MMORPG. Guild Wars however, is an awesome MMORPG.
Who cares about some fanboys from a game that hasn't even be released anyway. Isn't every shooter being compared to the CounterStrike series? Isn't every RTS being compared to the Command and Conquer series?
EDIT: Oh, and to make everyone feel better, I will go through his points real quick.
1: Errm... no... it is true that GW has a very good PvP system.. but who says that the developers focused everything on PvP?
2: If you would want to play "a fully functional single-player mode with at least 30 hours of storyline-driven gameplay." I suggest you buy Oblivion.. it has about 3 times as much.. COME ON why would you buy an MMORPG for single player?
3: Yeah, and S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is supposed to have NPC's with uber AI that can even finish the game before you can....
4: Yes this is true, you often need variety in your party and a strategic build to win. Oh, I'm sorry? did you mean it was a bad thing?
5: GW also has some areas that are constant, I can freely walk from the portal of Kamadan from the portal of Sunspear Great hall.. isnt that awesome?
6: GW has any perspective, without exceptions.
7: WRONG, GW has WSAD AND point-click controls..
8: Yes, the content of GW was updated very often... oh.. this is also supposed to be a bad thing... my bad
I played GW for 23 months and I spend about 135 euro's on it, if I would play HGL for 23 months I would've payed 230 euro's on fees + the cost of the game itself
Don't get me wrong, I think that HGL will be a nice MMORPG, just like Titan Quest, that is also a nice MMORPG. Guild Wars however, is an awesome MMORPG.
Who cares about some fanboys from a game that hasn't even be released anyway. Isn't every shooter being compared to the CounterStrike series? Isn't every RTS being compared to the Command and Conquer series?
EDIT: Oh, and to make everyone feel better, I will go through his points real quick.
1: Errm... no... it is true that GW has a very good PvP system.. but who says that the developers focused everything on PvP?
2: If you would want to play "a fully functional single-player mode with at least 30 hours of storyline-driven gameplay." I suggest you buy Oblivion.. it has about 3 times as much.. COME ON why would you buy an MMORPG for single player?
3: Yeah, and S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is supposed to have NPC's with uber AI that can even finish the game before you can....
4: Yes this is true, you often need variety in your party and a strategic build to win. Oh, I'm sorry? did you mean it was a bad thing?
5: GW also has some areas that are constant, I can freely walk from the portal of Kamadan from the portal of Sunspear Great hall.. isnt that awesome?
6: GW has any perspective, without exceptions.
7: WRONG, GW has WSAD AND point-click controls..
8: Yes, the content of GW was updated very often... oh.. this is also supposed to be a bad thing... my bad
I played GW for 23 months and I spend about 135 euro's on it, if I would play HGL for 23 months I would've payed 230 euro's on fees + the cost of the game itself
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Originally Posted by Eldin
This is like my friend who can only list stupid reasons for why WoW owns GW, such as:
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Guild Wars is still awsome game to play, whatever people say...
Knightsaber Sith
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Originally Posted by Theus
So..you can play the game offline like Diablo 2 huh..
Then I guess that means you have all the means to create duping hacks like that of Diablo 2 too huh.. Yeah.That sounds Subscription worthy. |
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Originally Posted by Lawnmower
Yeah.
I understood it like, Elite subscribers are able to be more powerful than non paying customers though. I heard there will be some kind of "soft lvl cap" thing where only paying members can really advance. From bill ropers words, gamespy article; " If you think of it as more of an MMO, you think "Great, I got this MMO that comes with an offline version that I can play by myself and a whole way to play for free that is basically a trial period that lasts forever, instead of two weeks."" trial period that lasts forever? maybe gws server technology is more incredible and uniqe than we ever realised. perhaps no one can do the same thing gw does for us for free. |
But the soft cap at launch will be around 35-40, it's not like they stop you at 10 or anything. Basically, the free online play is intended to be identical to offline play, except online. The premium online play option on the other hand, has bonus features not available offline and will be updated with more content periodically. They have stated they're considering releasing expansion packs encompassing a couple of the subscriber content updates for those who don't actually want to subscribe, but such details are still up in the air.
And just another nifty feature if anyone's interested, you can download your online characters for play offline! Though obviously you can't update your online character with any progress you've made offline.
tenshi_strife
lol.... this sounds like a wow rant *my step bro plays wow i hear this alot*
my arguement
play gw then say this, oh wait people that play gw.... like gw hum lol. anywho no more dissing on a game thats not even out, ill wait till it comes out and we have GWEN of GW2 and have hard facts to compare as of now this is dumber than argueing if fruits could fight which would win....
my vote is on lemons ^^
my arguement
play gw then say this, oh wait people that play gw.... like gw hum lol. anywho no more dissing on a game thats not even out, ill wait till it comes out and we have GWEN of GW2 and have hard facts to compare as of now this is dumber than argueing if fruits could fight which would win....
my vote is on lemons ^^